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Posted 25 Sep 2023 at 13:34

hi,had a meeting with my oncologist today who did my rt/ht in 2014 finished treatment in 2016 for locally advanced prostate cancer t3b no mo, as far as he is concerned I do not have p/c but he would not be drawn into trt not for him to say has to go through gp and urology which they have said no before, and  that he said to take a calcium supplement for my severe osteoporosis, it feels strange now for him to say that I have not got p/c after all this time. I am still up 4×nightly and gave erectile disfunction, any thoughts please. 

User
Posted 25 Sep 2023 at 13:40

So he's saying you have no evidence of disease.

That's a good start for trying to get TRT if you want it.

You need to ask for a referral to Andrology for low Testosterone.

User
Posted 25 Sep 2023 at 18:47
thanks, he said I have to go through gp again and refer to urology, the last time I asked urologist said there maybe some sleeping cancer cells .
User
Posted 25 Sep 2023 at 19:32
I'm honestly not sure what advice you're after, Radar. Your consultant has said that you need to go to your GP. Nobody here can say differently!

Best wishes,

Chris

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Posted 25 Sep 2023 at 22:21
Radar, if your Onco has said you are free of disease that is great news that trumps the andrologist.

Go see your GP tell them you are currently free of cancer and you want to discuss your low testosterone with an andrologist.

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Posted 26 Sep 2023 at 00:10

You are having to navigate an NHS bureaucracy and no one wants to take responsibility for your treatment (they get paid the same whether you're ill or not, so it's easier pass the buck than risk treating you).

It is ten years since you were treated for cancer, you are probably all clear, but there is a tiny chance you are only clear because you have no testosterone.

The lack of testosterone is clearly having a significant impact on your quality of life, and your health. The GP should(must) refer you to an andrologist, if he won't, ask him why he won't? and ask him to send that reason to you in a letter.

The andrologist will be scarred the testosterone may revive the cancer, ask him if that is the only reason he is not prescribing TRT? Tell him the oncologist says you are cancer free. If he still refuses TRT. Tell him to put his reasons down in writing and send it as a letter to you. Tell him you will forward the letter to the oncologist, or for speed he may want to copy the oncologist in directly himself.

The oncologist will try and ignore everything so you will have to ask him to reply and either confirm or deny the validity of the andrologists opinion on the separate specialism of oncology, in which he is not trained (if you can start a turf war, you gain all the power, your thumb 👎👍 will decide the winner, and I'm sure that will be the one offering the treatment you want).

The main point of all the above is that you are letting everyone know you are building a paper trail of evidence. Passing the buck is easy, but it's harder to defend when it is clear who passed the buck to whom and when.

Now the clinical decision that the one medic where the buck stopped makes, may or may not be correct. If you think it is incorrect you will know which specialist is stopping your TRT and you will know which department must give a second opinion on your case. If you need to make a PALS complaint you will know who you are complaining about. 

Now I don't know what the correct medical decision is, but all the above will make sure the medics are thinking very carefully what is the correct decision.

 

 

Dave

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Posted 27 Sep 2023 at 13:37
when my oncologist said I have not got p/c I haven't had a scan to say I'm cured he must be only going on my undetectable psa, he wouldn't be drawn into testosterone its urology who is in charge, he seemed to be more concerned about my severe osteoporosis, I asked about bat therapy he said what's that.
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Posted 27 Sep 2023 at 15:34

BAT (bipolar Androgen therapy) is a form of hormone therapy for men who have become castrate resistant even after using novel hormone therapy drugs such as Abiraterone, Enzalutamide, etc. It does improve quality of life, but not much evidence of improved longevity, and it doesn't have much credibility currently. The only person here who tried it died on the first Testosterone cycle as far as I remember.

The last thing you want at this stage is any form of hormone therapy.

Prostate cancer is monitored by PSA after treatment. Scans are not as sensitive and not done unless your prostate cancer was a non-secretor of PSA originally.

I suggest you stop bringing up BAT with clinicians, which most oncologists and urologists probably never heard of anyway, and is irrelevant for you.

User
Posted 29 Sep 2023 at 17:07
thanks, I don't believe that I have not got p/c,so that means I can stop all the things I have been doing to help myself, won't a mri scan show where I am, I am 75 next month, I will ask for a referral to endocrinologist and tell him what the oncologist said, I am concentrating more on my severe osteoporosis.
 
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