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Hormone treatment because can't detect cancer in prostate bed after CT scan

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Posted 04 Nov 2023 at 07:36

Hi. I had a prostatectomy 8 years ago. 18 months ago routine PSA blood test showed reading above 0.1, which is now over 0.2. Referred to oncologist who advised that full body scan with dye would identify where cancer was, probably on prostate bed,  and that I would probably have radiotherapy for 4 weeks. No mention of hormone treatment. Oncologist has phoned to say the scan showed no cancer anywhere, and he wants to add hormone treatment  to the radiotherapy. I am my wife's carer and I am worried about side effects of osteoporosis, fatigue and other. I suggest  adding hormone treatment is belt and braces and am inclined to refuse it. Has anybody else had similar experience and what did you do and what happened? Thank you. Chris

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Posted 04 Nov 2023 at 11:25

Hi Chris,

Have you had the best scan possible? I don't know enough on that topic, but others will and hopefully they will post.

I will right the rest of this post assuming that no other scan can find your cancer.

How long will you be on HT? If the answer is less than a year I wouldn't be too worried about osteoporosis. I note you are 78 and it is true recovering from bone loss is difficult after your 50s, but I don't think you will lose much in a short time on HT. All the side effects vary from person to person, you may get none or one or two, or all of them. HT will help the RT work so I think it is worth trying. HT is most significant started a few months before RT and for the few months after. 

If I were in your position I would accept the first three month shot of HT and see how well you can tolerate it, and then take the next shot if all was OK. I would probably not stay on it longer than a year. 

If this treatment does not cure your cancer, the next option will be HT for life, so it is worth giving this the best chance of working.

If you do end up in the position of HT for life, consider asking to delay that until the PSA is in the very high hundreds, it may take several years to get there and when you do start HT it can knock your PSA to near zero, and then it can take many years before it returns.

Dave

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Posted 04 Nov 2023 at 12:23

I am in the same position as you.

Five years post RP, PSA went up to 0.24.

Scan did not pick up anything so assumption was any cancer cells were most likely in the prostate bed.

20 sessions of Radiotherapy and 6 months of hormone treatment and my PSA is back down to <0.03.

Radiotherapy was a challenge but I got through it. The radiography staff and fellow patients were a great support.

Only a few side affects from the hormone treatment, a few hot flushes but nothing major.

I would recommend this course of treatment.

Stay Strong 

 

User
Posted 04 Nov 2023 at 17:02

Chris ,I had numerous CT and bone scans during a trial, none of them picked anything up. Once the trial finished I had a PSMA scan at 1.4 ,that did pick up a tumor in a pelvic lymph node.

We have two extremes on here, a PSMA scan at 0.023 that picked up something and a scan of 200 that didn't show anything.

I did have salvage RT 3 years post op without any scans, there was presumably something in the bed because my PSA went down but there was presumably something outside the bed because the PSA soon Started to rise. I didn't have HT because of other issues.

Thanks Chris 

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Posted 13 Nov 2023 at 04:16
Problem is if you start HT early chances are you will not know where the cancer is. I was in a somewhat similar position in that with an increasing PSA several years after RT one hospital wanted to start me on HT, while the other said hold off for a few months to give it a chance to show on a scan which I did. Then both hospitals said I did the right thing by waiting. But it was a personal decision and seems to have been a lucky gamble as the HIFU I then had had looks to have vapourised that small tumour. That's not to say it won't come back. However, I still have the HT to throw at it in need but at least have deferred it's use

Barry
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Posted 13 Nov 2023 at 09:21
Hi guys. Thanks for the latest info. Since my last post, I managed to get a good face to face with a specialist prostate nurse at the hospital, who carefully explained what I had found through my own research. She explained that the negative result on the prostate bed would not increase the area being targeted by RT. The whole area would be targeted anyway. If only I could have been told that by the consultant.

So I have started to take the HT, starting with bicalutamide 50 mg tabs, followed 2 weeks later RT by Zolatex 3.6 mg implant for 4 months I think. RT will be for 4 weeks from early Jan. RT and HT stop at same time.

I hope I have done the right thing. I have requested another PSA test, being done today.

Best wishes to all. Chris

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Posted 04 Nov 2023 at 11:25

Hi Chris,

Have you had the best scan possible? I don't know enough on that topic, but others will and hopefully they will post.

I will right the rest of this post assuming that no other scan can find your cancer.

How long will you be on HT? If the answer is less than a year I wouldn't be too worried about osteoporosis. I note you are 78 and it is true recovering from bone loss is difficult after your 50s, but I don't think you will lose much in a short time on HT. All the side effects vary from person to person, you may get none or one or two, or all of them. HT will help the RT work so I think it is worth trying. HT is most significant started a few months before RT and for the few months after. 

If I were in your position I would accept the first three month shot of HT and see how well you can tolerate it, and then take the next shot if all was OK. I would probably not stay on it longer than a year. 

If this treatment does not cure your cancer, the next option will be HT for life, so it is worth giving this the best chance of working.

If you do end up in the position of HT for life, consider asking to delay that until the PSA is in the very high hundreds, it may take several years to get there and when you do start HT it can knock your PSA to near zero, and then it can take many years before it returns.

Dave

User
Posted 04 Nov 2023 at 12:23

I am in the same position as you.

Five years post RP, PSA went up to 0.24.

Scan did not pick up anything so assumption was any cancer cells were most likely in the prostate bed.

20 sessions of Radiotherapy and 6 months of hormone treatment and my PSA is back down to <0.03.

Radiotherapy was a challenge but I got through it. The radiography staff and fellow patients were a great support.

Only a few side affects from the hormone treatment, a few hot flushes but nothing major.

I would recommend this course of treatment.

Stay Strong 

 

User
Posted 04 Nov 2023 at 14:07
Thanks Dave and 'Stay Strong' . I'll get back to you later re details of my scans. Need to check my files.
User
Posted 04 Nov 2023 at 15:52

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
Thanks Dave and 'Stay Strong' . I'll get back to you later re details of my scans. Need to check my files.

This made me laugh Chris. Obviously wishing you the best brother. And you Alan! ;)

 

Jamie.

User
Posted 04 Nov 2023 at 17:02

Chris ,I had numerous CT and bone scans during a trial, none of them picked anything up. Once the trial finished I had a PSMA scan at 1.4 ,that did pick up a tumor in a pelvic lymph node.

We have two extremes on here, a PSMA scan at 0.023 that picked up something and a scan of 200 that didn't show anything.

I did have salvage RT 3 years post op without any scans, there was presumably something in the bed because my PSA went down but there was presumably something outside the bed because the PSA soon Started to rise. I didn't have HT because of other issues.

Thanks Chris 

User
Posted 05 Nov 2023 at 23:14
Hi guys. Thanks for your comments.

Re the above, my scan was a PSMA PET/CT scan, and my last PSA reading was 0.208. It looks as if at this PSA level, about 20% of results don't show anything.My consultant is away for a few days, so I am phoning a specialist nurse at Prostate Cancer UK tomorrow. I shall also collect my prescription tomorrow to see what HT he wants me on. Thanks again. Chris G

User
Posted 12 Nov 2023 at 20:35

Hi Chris, I was wondering why your oncologist is putting you on HT when you have had reoccurrence after 8 years and your PSA is 0.2.  I’ve read that oncologists do this to bring a high level PSA down or there was a higher level Gleason score. I’m curious as I expecting to breach the 0.2 level next year.

Best wishes on your treatment. Mike

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Posted 13 Nov 2023 at 04:16
Problem is if you start HT early chances are you will not know where the cancer is. I was in a somewhat similar position in that with an increasing PSA several years after RT one hospital wanted to start me on HT, while the other said hold off for a few months to give it a chance to show on a scan which I did. Then both hospitals said I did the right thing by waiting. But it was a personal decision and seems to have been a lucky gamble as the HIFU I then had had looks to have vapourised that small tumour. That's not to say it won't come back. However, I still have the HT to throw at it in need but at least have deferred it's use

Barry
User
Posted 13 Nov 2023 at 09:21
Hi guys. Thanks for the latest info. Since my last post, I managed to get a good face to face with a specialist prostate nurse at the hospital, who carefully explained what I had found through my own research. She explained that the negative result on the prostate bed would not increase the area being targeted by RT. The whole area would be targeted anyway. If only I could have been told that by the consultant.

So I have started to take the HT, starting with bicalutamide 50 mg tabs, followed 2 weeks later RT by Zolatex 3.6 mg implant for 4 months I think. RT will be for 4 weeks from early Jan. RT and HT stop at same time.

I hope I have done the right thing. I have requested another PSA test, being done today.

Best wishes to all. Chris

 
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