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Has anyone had HIFU?

User
Posted 10 Dec 2023 at 23:54

Hi I'm recently diagnosed and have been offered HIFU. I was wondering if any gay men have had HIFU as it would be really helpful to hear your story.

User
Posted 24 Feb 2024 at 15:53

I had HIFU!!

I didn't end up finding any gay men who had undergone the HIFU treatment, but I've now had it myself and wanted to share my experiences from the first few weeks in case it would help anyone else decide what treatment option is best for them.

I was very happy to have the HIFU treatment and the decision I made (other options were brachy, prostatectomy and radiotherapy). I'm in my 50s and my goals were to get rid of the cancer and limit the side effects.

Day 1 (Day of the treatment)

On the day itself I was allowed no food from 6.45am & no water from 11am. I was given an enema beforehand to clear everything out - which did the trick. The procedure was down for 4pm but was delayed til 5pm ish. Wheeled down for the anaesthetic, chatted for a bit and was out...

I woke up 7pm ish starving! Told everything went smoothly and stayed overnight, catheter in… it didn't feel too bad … it just felt like my bladder was full all the time. Blood pressure, oxygen etc all good. No pain.

I finally had some food (soup & sandwiches) & my partner visited and I felt good.

By 10pm  still no pain, so didn't need any extra meds than what they would have already given me. My bladder still felt very full & my uretha slightly sensitive when I move position  in bed….also some minor leakage, but no big deal. I went to sleep around midnight.

Day 2

I woke in hospital around 2am from mild stomach cramps, so I called the nurse around 3am as it was getting worse. He gave me Paracetamol pills & said cramps are expected (i.e. bladder spams because of the catheter) and confirmed I was already given Boscopan earlier when unconscious. More Boscopan  injected 3.20am & it started to ease by 3.30am. Fell back to sleep 'til 8am ish. Woke up with an erection...weird...as that was not what I was expecting...but hey at least it's working lol.

Had breakfast and no recurrence of the pain/cramps. A Urology nurse gave me instructions on catheter care with la eg & overnight bags & made appointment for it to me removed (on Valentines Day!). I emptied the urine bag myself for the first time, which was very easy. I was then discharged around noon with lots of drugs & pad pants in case of spillage in Uber (none occurred).

Made it home ok & all good and started taking medicine as prescribed:

- Paracetemol

- Ibuprofen

- Tamsulosin

- Omeprazole

- Trimethoprim

- Solifenacin 

- Laxative 

Over the course of the day my foreskin against the catheter was really irritating, almost wish I was circumcised (almost!). First night at home with the overnight bag.

Day 3

I had a good sleep despite the overnight bag, but all morning I felt like I needed to poo and was worried about straining and peeing normally with the catheter in. I had some of the laxative and anti-spasm medication and finally ending up poo-ing ok a few hours later (first time since the enema in hospital).

During the course of the day I found it really hard not to pee normally when going to the loo. There was also some blood in my pee. I also got used to pulling my foreskin back to stop the irritation against the catheter.

Day 4

Today I had some swelling and bloating in my lower abdomen area, which remained all day, but it really was ok ...more of a discomfort than any pain. I was able to poo again after taking the laxative

I removed the urine leg bag (as now after 48hrs) completely and started using the tap instead - all ok. Then popped the overnight bag back on when I went to bed.

(By the way the whole time I had the catheter in my partner slept in another room as I was paranoid he'd get his foot caught in it and yank it out lol).

Day 5

I was woken up around 3am with minor pain in my lower abdomen/pubic region. I took the opportunity to empty the night bag, revert to the tap and took some Ibuprofen to ease the discomfort....but it lasted all morning and backache came on too. It was all clear by lunchtime and a I felt really good for the rest of the day.

Day 6

Today was pretty uneventful and for the first time I felt very tired. I was pooing normally without any help from the laxative but had developed a very strong urge to pee normally despite the catheter. It was hard to fight that urge.

Day 7

Last night was the first time I slept right through, Woke up, poo'd normally...was quite tired all day and still had the strong urge to pee normally.

Day 8

Much the same as the previous day. Often getting the urge to pee normally. By now I really wanted the catheter out.

Day 9 (Freedom day)

I got an Uber back to the hospital to have the catheter removed . The actual removal was a weird feeling ...not painful... and it was all over before I had a time to think about it. 

I was so happy to have the catheter out and also pass the Trail Without Catheter (TWOC) ....where you are made to drink water and empty your bladder normally.

I was shown how to self-catheterise, given some supplies and left hoping I don't have to use them.

Day 11

So far I haven't had to self catheterise. My erections have been normal as before HIFU and I even managed to masturbate ok ...but there was no ejaculation...but otherwise felt normal.

Day 16

I'm still taking all meds as prescribed, had no major problems to be honest. Some very minor discomfort pops up from time to time...but is nothing. It's definitely all working down below ...peeing ok, pooing ok....and when I masturbate a small amount of semen does ejaculate ...which is a bonus as I was led to believe it would be dry.

I started to venture out the house - 20 mins walk each day.

Day 19

When I pee some "bits" have been coming out which was a shock at first ...but I'm curious now to see how much comes out ...and my semen when I ejaculate is now containing blood similar to what happened with the biopsy. 

Day 20

All in all I'm very happy with how everything has gone with my HIFU treatment, how I'm recovering and the potential lack of side effects.

I've booked in for my follow up PSA test at the 3 month mark so fingers crossed it's got rid of the cancer.

User
Posted 12 Dec 2023 at 00:58

Hi JL - I am just bumping your post. Sadly, there are not many men on here that have had HIFU so I guess even fewer who are also gay :-(

If no one comes along in the next couple of days, there is an Australian / international website called You are not alone now where you can search by type of treatment - you may have more luck finding experiences there?

https://www.yananow.org/choices.shtml#hifu 

https://www.yananow.org/query_stories.php#topoflist 

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 12 Dec 2023 at 01:49

If you are based in London, you could contact Metro Walnut, LGBTQ+ prostate cancer support group.

In Manchester, there's Out With Prostate Cancer.

They both also have access via Zoom if you're not local.

Tackle were trying to resurrect one in Birmingham that stopped during COVID, but I don't know where that initiative has got to.

User
Posted 21 May 2024 at 18:41

Good news - at the 3 month mark post HIFU my PSA has fallen from 5.84 to 3.44 and I've no real side effects.

User
Posted 09 Oct 2024 at 19:09

Hi Alfonso,

Have a read of my posts. I've just had focal therapy last Friday, 4th October 2024. HIFU wasn't suitable for me because it only targets the back towards the middle of the prostate. My tumour was front right anterior which made Nanoknife the best option for focal therapy for me.

Wishing you all the best.

Seb

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User
Posted 12 Dec 2023 at 00:58

Hi JL - I am just bumping your post. Sadly, there are not many men on here that have had HIFU so I guess even fewer who are also gay :-(

If no one comes along in the next couple of days, there is an Australian / international website called You are not alone now where you can search by type of treatment - you may have more luck finding experiences there?

https://www.yananow.org/choices.shtml#hifu 

https://www.yananow.org/query_stories.php#topoflist 

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 12 Dec 2023 at 01:49

If you are based in London, you could contact Metro Walnut, LGBTQ+ prostate cancer support group.

In Manchester, there's Out With Prostate Cancer.

They both also have access via Zoom if you're not local.

Tackle were trying to resurrect one in Birmingham that stopped during COVID, but I don't know where that initiative has got to.

User
Posted 24 Feb 2024 at 15:53

I had HIFU!!

I didn't end up finding any gay men who had undergone the HIFU treatment, but I've now had it myself and wanted to share my experiences from the first few weeks in case it would help anyone else decide what treatment option is best for them.

I was very happy to have the HIFU treatment and the decision I made (other options were brachy, prostatectomy and radiotherapy). I'm in my 50s and my goals were to get rid of the cancer and limit the side effects.

Day 1 (Day of the treatment)

On the day itself I was allowed no food from 6.45am & no water from 11am. I was given an enema beforehand to clear everything out - which did the trick. The procedure was down for 4pm but was delayed til 5pm ish. Wheeled down for the anaesthetic, chatted for a bit and was out...

I woke up 7pm ish starving! Told everything went smoothly and stayed overnight, catheter in… it didn't feel too bad … it just felt like my bladder was full all the time. Blood pressure, oxygen etc all good. No pain.

I finally had some food (soup & sandwiches) & my partner visited and I felt good.

By 10pm  still no pain, so didn't need any extra meds than what they would have already given me. My bladder still felt very full & my uretha slightly sensitive when I move position  in bed….also some minor leakage, but no big deal. I went to sleep around midnight.

Day 2

I woke in hospital around 2am from mild stomach cramps, so I called the nurse around 3am as it was getting worse. He gave me Paracetamol pills & said cramps are expected (i.e. bladder spams because of the catheter) and confirmed I was already given Boscopan earlier when unconscious. More Boscopan  injected 3.20am & it started to ease by 3.30am. Fell back to sleep 'til 8am ish. Woke up with an erection...weird...as that was not what I was expecting...but hey at least it's working lol.

Had breakfast and no recurrence of the pain/cramps. A Urology nurse gave me instructions on catheter care with la eg & overnight bags & made appointment for it to me removed (on Valentines Day!). I emptied the urine bag myself for the first time, which was very easy. I was then discharged around noon with lots of drugs & pad pants in case of spillage in Uber (none occurred).

Made it home ok & all good and started taking medicine as prescribed:

- Paracetemol

- Ibuprofen

- Tamsulosin

- Omeprazole

- Trimethoprim

- Solifenacin 

- Laxative 

Over the course of the day my foreskin against the catheter was really irritating, almost wish I was circumcised (almost!). First night at home with the overnight bag.

Day 3

I had a good sleep despite the overnight bag, but all morning I felt like I needed to poo and was worried about straining and peeing normally with the catheter in. I had some of the laxative and anti-spasm medication and finally ending up poo-ing ok a few hours later (first time since the enema in hospital).

During the course of the day I found it really hard not to pee normally when going to the loo. There was also some blood in my pee. I also got used to pulling my foreskin back to stop the irritation against the catheter.

Day 4

Today I had some swelling and bloating in my lower abdomen area, which remained all day, but it really was ok ...more of a discomfort than any pain. I was able to poo again after taking the laxative

I removed the urine leg bag (as now after 48hrs) completely and started using the tap instead - all ok. Then popped the overnight bag back on when I went to bed.

(By the way the whole time I had the catheter in my partner slept in another room as I was paranoid he'd get his foot caught in it and yank it out lol).

Day 5

I was woken up around 3am with minor pain in my lower abdomen/pubic region. I took the opportunity to empty the night bag, revert to the tap and took some Ibuprofen to ease the discomfort....but it lasted all morning and backache came on too. It was all clear by lunchtime and a I felt really good for the rest of the day.

Day 6

Today was pretty uneventful and for the first time I felt very tired. I was pooing normally without any help from the laxative but had developed a very strong urge to pee normally despite the catheter. It was hard to fight that urge.

Day 7

Last night was the first time I slept right through, Woke up, poo'd normally...was quite tired all day and still had the strong urge to pee normally.

Day 8

Much the same as the previous day. Often getting the urge to pee normally. By now I really wanted the catheter out.

Day 9 (Freedom day)

I got an Uber back to the hospital to have the catheter removed . The actual removal was a weird feeling ...not painful... and it was all over before I had a time to think about it. 

I was so happy to have the catheter out and also pass the Trail Without Catheter (TWOC) ....where you are made to drink water and empty your bladder normally.

I was shown how to self-catheterise, given some supplies and left hoping I don't have to use them.

Day 11

So far I haven't had to self catheterise. My erections have been normal as before HIFU and I even managed to masturbate ok ...but there was no ejaculation...but otherwise felt normal.

Day 16

I'm still taking all meds as prescribed, had no major problems to be honest. Some very minor discomfort pops up from time to time...but is nothing. It's definitely all working down below ...peeing ok, pooing ok....and when I masturbate a small amount of semen does ejaculate ...which is a bonus as I was led to believe it would be dry.

I started to venture out the house - 20 mins walk each day.

Day 19

When I pee some "bits" have been coming out which was a shock at first ...but I'm curious now to see how much comes out ...and my semen when I ejaculate is now containing blood similar to what happened with the biopsy. 

Day 20

All in all I'm very happy with how everything has gone with my HIFU treatment, how I'm recovering and the potential lack of side effects.

I've booked in for my follow up PSA test at the 3 month mark so fingers crossed it's got rid of the cancer.

User
Posted 24 Feb 2024 at 16:35

Thanks so much for sharing this Johnny! I am super-excited to hear your good start, and will follow with huge interest to hear how it goes for you longer term. So glad your sexual health has made such a good recovery already. 

User
Posted 21 May 2024 at 18:41

Good news - at the 3 month mark post HIFU my PSA has fallen from 5.84 to 3.44 and I've no real side effects.

User
Posted 27 May 2024 at 21:12

Cheers Johnny, this is so reassuring as I'm about to go through HIFU myself. My pre-op is a week next Tuesday and after that the procedure could be at anytime.

I'll be brutally honest and say that I'm bricking it! I think that I haven't fully got it into my head that I've actually got Cancer. I've just been playing it down to help make everyone else's life easier but actually inside I'm terrified.

Can I ask how long you were off work after the procedure? I know it's going to vary from person to person but I was just after a rough timeframe.

Well done Johnny and thanks again.

Pete.

User
Posted 30 May 2024 at 09:03

Hi Pete,

I was off work for 4 weeks, then worked from home for the next 4 weeks.

For me this was definitely the right decision and gave me time to recover properly.

All the best for the HIFU treatment. Keep us posted how you go, regards Jonny

 

User
Posted 09 Oct 2024 at 07:21

[I have just received the biopsy results, 3+3=6, I have an appointment with my doctor on Monday, so I don’t know what treatment he is going to suggest, as far as I have read there are several options but some of them might not be good if you need a radical operation, such as with radiotherapy, does it happened the same with HIFU? I am so glad to find this chat community as I haven’t found anything like this in Spain]

Edited by member 09 Oct 2024 at 07:23  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 09 Oct 2024 at 09:01

A note on terminology - radical doesn't mean what you think it means. It means your first treatment and also that it is intending to remove all trace of the cancer and to cure you. It's not used for any subsequent treatment (that's called salvage) and it's not normally used with focal treatments because they don't treat the whole prostate, so they're not necessarily aiming to remove all trace of the cancer including anything not found by biopsy or MRI.

There isn't agreement on whether HIFU makes subsequent salvage prostatectomy more difficult. The HIFU practitioners say it doesn't, and the salvage prostatectomy surgeons say it does.

I don't think HIFU would have much impact on subsequent salvage radiotherapy, other than the general point that all salvage treatments are generally less satisfactory than having had that treatment as your original radical treatment because you've delayed having the treatment to cure you which increases the risk of it failing too or it having to be more extensive, and you will get the side effects of both treatments.

User
Posted 09 Oct 2024 at 19:09

Hi Alfonso,

Have a read of my posts. I've just had focal therapy last Friday, 4th October 2024. HIFU wasn't suitable for me because it only targets the back towards the middle of the prostate. My tumour was front right anterior which made Nanoknife the best option for focal therapy for me.

Wishing you all the best.

Seb

User
Posted 16 Oct 2024 at 12:19

A quick update from me at 7 months post HIFU treatment - my PSA has fallen further from 5.84 (Sept 2023 ) to 3.44  (May 2023) to 2.92 (Sept 2024).

My sexual health is good overall, although reduced semen when ejaculating. Happy so far with how my HIFU treatment has gone.

User
Posted 16 Oct 2024 at 18:01

I am asking for budgets in case I decide to take HIFU, I have only one and it cost about 15700€, the previous biopsy included and the one season treatment. I think radiation or surgery is too drastic for a 3+3 Gleason. How much does it cost in the uk or USA?

Edited by member 16 Oct 2024 at 19:12  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 18 Oct 2024 at 17:09

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

A quick update from me at 7 months post HIFU treatment - my PSA has fallen further from 5.84 (Sept 2023 ) to 3.44  (May 2023) to 2.92 (Sept 2024).

My sexual health is good overall, although reduced semen when ejaculating. Happy so far with how my HIFU treatment has gone.

Sounds great and I wish you well!

We can lose so much to prostate cancer. In my case no more ejaculate aside from a few drops of precum, and it has taken nearly 5 years for my erections to recover to a level where I can give and receive a lot of pleasure, even though not as resilient as before.

 
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