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Scared about bichemical relapse

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Posted 17 Dec 2023 at 21:51

New here. Husband 58 Gleason 9 PIRAD 4 & 5 . RALP in April 2023. 2 PSA <0.05 then 3 PSA tests showing increase <0.09 in August; 0.18 Oct and now 0.32 December. CNS bringing our case to MDT next week but am scared that Christmas Holidays will mean extra delay in possible next treatment. Am I wrong in thinking this looks to be an aggressive form of PC considering the rapid doubling in PSA tests in less than 5 weeks? Feeling very scared and alone.  Advice gratefully received . TIA

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Posted 19 Dec 2023 at 13:50

Hi Brunette,

I haven’t logged in for a while but noticed your post. I had a laparoscopic radical prostatectomy in July 2015 at age 55, staging was T3 a. Some 14 months later my PSA jumped from undetectable to 0.3 then 0.7 with a doubling time of just over 4 weeks. 
I had to wait for scans (MRI followed by choline F18 PET scan) before my oncologist would start hormone therapy. I had hormone therapy for 27 months and radical salvage radiotherapy in 2017. I’m still here albeit with a number of side effects. I’m awaiting my latest PSA result. I was warned I likely had micro metastasis. 7 years  on from recurrence my last PSA result was <0.1 in September. Fingers crossed last weeks result is still <0.1.

I’m only replying to give you and your husband hope that this recurrence can be addressed.

Read my profile for more information, it’s quite long…..

Wishing you both all the best.

Ido4

User
Posted 18 Dec 2023 at 00:25

Hi Brunette, well it is definitely not good news. The only consolation is, it started from a low level, so most of the cancer was removed meaning most of it was in the prostate. If you are lucky the cancer will show up on scans and it can be targeted with radiotherapy, better news would be that it only shows up in one place and that is in the prostate bed, you will just have to await the tests.

Yes Christmas probably will cause delays, but in the grand scheme of things probably not long enough to make a difference. The MDT may advice hormone therapy should be started immediately, this could reduce the chances of the scans spotting the cancer, but it will put the brakes on the cancer until treatment can start.

Do you have his post operation histology report, not that it will change anything, but it may give some clues as to whether all the cancer was removed near the prostate.

Dave

User
Posted 18 Dec 2023 at 10:09

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

 Feeling very scared and alone.  Advice gratefully received . TIA

Good morning,

I can't add anything to what Dave's said, other than add my support and wish you and J well.

Hopefully the help and advice you'll be given here will alleviate some of your fears and sense of isolation.

Adrian

User
Posted 18 Dec 2023 at 11:09

Hi Adrian

 Thank you for sending J and myself good wishes.

Your reply and Dave's have helped ease the sense of isolation.

It is  difficult talking to friends/family about the PC as they don't really 'get it' ( no reason why they should).  I dont always find their well-intentioned comments about how well J looks (he does!) helpful. I understand they are meant kindly, however.

The side effects of the RALP with friends/family are too private/personal (thank goodness for Invecorp!)and I can only answer their understandably concerned questions about next steps with the honest reply that I don't know yet.

 You will understand that the RALP has already put my wonderful husband through so much. We had hoped for a few years clear without PC rearing its ugly head. 

We're  slowly processing the unwelcome news about the biochemical relapse- it seems bitterly disappointing so soon after the RALP at beginning of April but then again life isn't fair. 

Thank you for your reply. Your replies and support are very much appreciated. 

Best wishes

Anne 

User
Posted 18 Dec 2023 at 15:18
Hi Brunette, not what you wanted for Christmas but he still has a shot at curative treatment and you should focus on that...

You need to ask:

What scans he will be having to re stage his prostate cancer, I would be looking for a PSMA PET ASAP.

Assuming this shows disease suitable for salvage radiotherapy you then need to know when will he will start HT and what protocol. (I believe from my own recent consultation it will be either 6 months of injectable or 2 years bicalutimide tablets).

You should also ask if lymph nodes will be included I suspect for his age and g score they will be.

User
Posted 19 Dec 2023 at 20:34

Hi Anne,

I can’t really add to what’s already been said about the reoccurrence after RP. I wasn’t given the option of RP because there was too much risk of recurrence….we seem to think differently in Scotland 🤷🏼‍♂️

I can imagine how tough it is having already been through the surgery only to find that more treatment is going to be needed, but you are certainly not alone on here, many men require SRT after having surgery. It’s good though that you have a plan B in the form of SRT should it be required, something that those of us who had HT and RT don’t have. It’s always at the back of mind that when I stop HT (after 3 years😟) if my PSA starts to rise then it’s probably HT for life..or for as long as it keeps working anyway. That REALLY scares me. I’m fortunate though that I have incredible support from my local Maggies Mens Support Groups. You say you are ‘feeling very scared and alone’. This site helps with that, but I’m wondering if you would BOTH benefit from trying to find a local support group where you both can go along and talk to someone face to face, and maybe your OH would benefit from joining a support Group if there is one? Or, have you thought about phoning the specialist nurses in PCUK. I’ve used them and they are wonderful…they will give you all the time, support and advice you need.

all the best moving forward,

Derek

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User
Posted 18 Dec 2023 at 00:25

Hi Brunette, well it is definitely not good news. The only consolation is, it started from a low level, so most of the cancer was removed meaning most of it was in the prostate. If you are lucky the cancer will show up on scans and it can be targeted with radiotherapy, better news would be that it only shows up in one place and that is in the prostate bed, you will just have to await the tests.

Yes Christmas probably will cause delays, but in the grand scheme of things probably not long enough to make a difference. The MDT may advice hormone therapy should be started immediately, this could reduce the chances of the scans spotting the cancer, but it will put the brakes on the cancer until treatment can start.

Do you have his post operation histology report, not that it will change anything, but it may give some clues as to whether all the cancer was removed near the prostate.

Dave

User
Posted 18 Dec 2023 at 10:04

Hi Dave

 Thank you for your helpful and honest reply. 

 The consultant is awaiting the histology report to be transferred over from the hospital where the RALP was performed (long story!). Am hopeful that will be the final piece in the information puzzle to inform next steps. J's original PSA was only 10 with minimal symptoms which he put down to getting older.

As you say, we will know more after the MDT on Thursday so will continue to wait and see. 

I hope you are faring as well as you can on your PC journey.

 Thank you again for your prompt reply. Much appreciated. 

 

Edited by member 18 Dec 2023 at 10:05  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 18 Dec 2023 at 10:09

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

 Feeling very scared and alone.  Advice gratefully received . TIA

Good morning,

I can't add anything to what Dave's said, other than add my support and wish you and J well.

Hopefully the help and advice you'll be given here will alleviate some of your fears and sense of isolation.

Adrian

User
Posted 18 Dec 2023 at 11:09

Hi Adrian

 Thank you for sending J and myself good wishes.

Your reply and Dave's have helped ease the sense of isolation.

It is  difficult talking to friends/family about the PC as they don't really 'get it' ( no reason why they should).  I dont always find their well-intentioned comments about how well J looks (he does!) helpful. I understand they are meant kindly, however.

The side effects of the RALP with friends/family are too private/personal (thank goodness for Invecorp!)and I can only answer their understandably concerned questions about next steps with the honest reply that I don't know yet.

 You will understand that the RALP has already put my wonderful husband through so much. We had hoped for a few years clear without PC rearing its ugly head. 

We're  slowly processing the unwelcome news about the biochemical relapse- it seems bitterly disappointing so soon after the RALP at beginning of April but then again life isn't fair. 

Thank you for your reply. Your replies and support are very much appreciated. 

Best wishes

Anne 

User
Posted 18 Dec 2023 at 15:18
Hi Brunette, not what you wanted for Christmas but he still has a shot at curative treatment and you should focus on that...

You need to ask:

What scans he will be having to re stage his prostate cancer, I would be looking for a PSMA PET ASAP.

Assuming this shows disease suitable for salvage radiotherapy you then need to know when will he will start HT and what protocol. (I believe from my own recent consultation it will be either 6 months of injectable or 2 years bicalutimide tablets).

You should also ask if lymph nodes will be included I suspect for his age and g score they will be.

User
Posted 18 Dec 2023 at 15:38

Hi Francij1

 That s really helpful and practical advice.  I will pass that on to the husband.

It is reassuring to have the advice of those who 'get it' and have lived experience (unfortunately!)

Thank you so much for your reply.  I definitely don't feel as alone and powerless as I did last night when I originally posted on this forum. 

Wishing you the very best on your own PC journey and thank you again 

User
Posted 19 Dec 2023 at 13:50

Hi Brunette,

I haven’t logged in for a while but noticed your post. I had a laparoscopic radical prostatectomy in July 2015 at age 55, staging was T3 a. Some 14 months later my PSA jumped from undetectable to 0.3 then 0.7 with a doubling time of just over 4 weeks. 
I had to wait for scans (MRI followed by choline F18 PET scan) before my oncologist would start hormone therapy. I had hormone therapy for 27 months and radical salvage radiotherapy in 2017. I’m still here albeit with a number of side effects. I’m awaiting my latest PSA result. I was warned I likely had micro metastasis. 7 years  on from recurrence my last PSA result was <0.1 in September. Fingers crossed last weeks result is still <0.1.

I’m only replying to give you and your husband hope that this recurrence can be addressed.

Read my profile for more information, it’s quite long…..

Wishing you both all the best.

Ido4

User
Posted 19 Dec 2023 at 15:35

Hi Ido4

 Thank you for your reply- wow!-its reassuring to read of your experience and that you are now 7 years on.

Obviously every person has a different cancer journey but its good to hear some of the positive outcomes from people with similar experiences. My thoughts have been in overdrive and research on google has led my mind to some rather dark possibilities. The replies Ive had on here have been honest and helpful in calming my disturbing thoughts.  The MDT meeting may well provide some answers and a plan for scans/further treatment. Thank you all for your calm and measured responses. I am grateful for the support and now feel less alone.

Thank you for taking the time to reply.

I will have a look at your bio as you suggest.  I wish you well for your forthcoming PSA results.

Best wishes

Anne

User
Posted 19 Dec 2023 at 20:34

Hi Anne,

I can’t really add to what’s already been said about the reoccurrence after RP. I wasn’t given the option of RP because there was too much risk of recurrence….we seem to think differently in Scotland 🤷🏼‍♂️

I can imagine how tough it is having already been through the surgery only to find that more treatment is going to be needed, but you are certainly not alone on here, many men require SRT after having surgery. It’s good though that you have a plan B in the form of SRT should it be required, something that those of us who had HT and RT don’t have. It’s always at the back of mind that when I stop HT (after 3 years😟) if my PSA starts to rise then it’s probably HT for life..or for as long as it keeps working anyway. That REALLY scares me. I’m fortunate though that I have incredible support from my local Maggies Mens Support Groups. You say you are ‘feeling very scared and alone’. This site helps with that, but I’m wondering if you would BOTH benefit from trying to find a local support group where you both can go along and talk to someone face to face, and maybe your OH would benefit from joining a support Group if there is one? Or, have you thought about phoning the specialist nurses in PCUK. I’ve used them and they are wonderful…they will give you all the time, support and advice you need.

all the best moving forward,

Derek

User
Posted 19 Dec 2023 at 21:23

Hi Derek, 

Thank you for your reply and useful suggestions for accessing support. 
I researched Maggies online and persuaded my husband to visit our nearest  centre an hour away. This was such a lovely, welcoming place with lots of support to access. My husband tried the PC support group and found it helpful. I also found the more local PC support group which meets monthly and encouraged my husband to go. We weren’t sure if this group was ‘just’ for those being treated for Pc or their OH. I felt he might be able to be more open with others who had first hand experience of PC. He received a warm welcome, intends going again next month and has been encouraged to bring me along too. He has asked me to go too so am hopeful that I will also find this supportive.I’m going to ring the PC specialist nurses on this site tomorrow if I still feeling wobbly- I believe they are excellent as my husband has rung them before. 
Thank you for your suggestions and informative reply. I hope your treatment continues smoothly. It’s a rollercoaster ride for sure. Thank you for helping me to feel less alone. 
Best wishes

Anne

 
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