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User
Posted 31 Jan 2024 at 20:23

I am 79 years old my PSA levels were 10 but on finesterade so it doubles to 22

Bone scan and MRI scan followed after being told I was to old for MRI

Bone scan clear 

MRI showed a cancer on the right side of the prostate with a Gleason score 4 +3

This was August 2023 had an appointment with Dr at hospital to be told they had an MDT meeting and I was not being offered treatment , as I was 79 if I had been 70 it would have been a different scenario , was told they would see me again in a year I asked for a PSA in 6 months , also asked to speak to somebody  in urology to explain more but haven’t hadn’t appointment as no staff available have know managed to get one tomorrow would like to hear from  anybody else if they have been told this also what should I be asking at my appointment tomorrow , feel totally let down have had no support from the hospital at all which is Kings Mill Mansfield 

 

 

 

 

User
Posted 31 Jan 2024 at 23:02

 Trevor, welcome to the forum.

I can't add anything.

The two previous replies, show why this site is so good.

In footbal terminology. Ian got possession of the ball, crossed it, and Dave slammed it in the back of the net. Well done lads! 👏 

Edited by member 31 Jan 2024 at 23:07  | Reason: Typo

User
Posted 01 Feb 2024 at 21:11

This is disgusting mismanagement. Staff in the NHS don't seem to suffer any consequences for their actions, whereas their patients suffer an early death.

Dave

User
Posted 31 Jan 2024 at 22:34

Sorry you are here, and that this is such short notice to prepare you for the meeting. My usual first comment is that your life expectancy is probably 87. I don't know anything about you, you may be running ultra marathons and likely to live to 100, or you may smoke 40 cigs a day and drink 8 pints of beer. I myself ride a motorcycle so that knocks a few years of my life expectancy.

That you have cancer is no surprise, very few men who get to 79 have not got cancer, and you have probably had it for a decade or so.

So assuming you are an average man with an average life expectancy you need to think what the next 8 years will bring. Well prostate cancer is usually slow growing, if you were 3+3 I doubt it would progress far enough in 8 years to be your cause of death. With 4+3 it probably will progress and shorten your life by two or three years.

We have had men on here treated in their mid to late 70s and we may have had people treated in there early 80s I can't remember if I have seen such posts in the four years I have been on this site.

I am going to assume you would not be fit enough to survive the operation (it is major), and if you were the prospect of a remaining life of possible incontinence would be too unappealing for you.

The next options are brachytherapy, or radiotherapy possibly both accompanied by hormone therapy. Hormone therapy improves the chance of successful RT, but you would probably be on it for two years and it would likely be quite unpleasant.

If you had brachytherapy or radiotherapy without hormone therapy it may not cure the cancer but it may slow it's progress by a few years. The problem with these treatments is they will cost the NHS about £20k. As your cancer is probably only going to cut your life short by a year or two the NHS may not think it is worth it (you may have a different opinion).

The latest version of radiotherapy is five shots over about two weeks, if it is available in your area it is probably your best chance of getting treatment. If they refuse RT see if you can get a second opinion. If you have a lot of cash ask about going private? (you can't take it with you).

If surgery/RT is ruled out. Another option is watch and wait until the cancer is showing signs of causing serious problems and then start you on hormone therapy for the rest of your life. It isn't pleasant but some people tolerate it well and if you managed to live till 83 before you started it, it would probably be effective for four or five years, so you would get to 87 without dieing of cancer.

As I know so little about you or your diagnosis I have had to make a lot of assumptions. This is the best information I can give you at short notice.

 

 

Dave

User
Posted 01 Feb 2024 at 19:48

Thankyou for replying , what you are saying is similar to what I have been told today in clinic , but things have changed , the doctor we saw today went through the findings and we told him we had been told nothing previous he thought we had been having appointments with urology nurses which we haven’t so he started to explain why they had to come to the conclusion at the MDT meeting the biggest shock was they had got my notes completely wrong at the MDT meeting they were told I had a pacemaker had a stroke had dementia and diabetes and arterial fibulation this was totally incorrect I am fit and walk 8 miles regularly run upstairs the only medication I take is tamsulosin and Sim vo statin , so this doctor dictated a letter asking for another MDT meeting with a full explanation , he also asked me if I would like radiotherapy and would be offered treatment if the cancer progressed which I had not been told before obviously don’t want treatment if it’s not necessary but to get my medical notes muddled with another person is beyond belief, we called in at the PALS office and they are going to put in a formal complaint on my behalf in the meantime I wait to be called back with the new MDT decision me and my wife really don’t need this it’s enough trying to get your head round it I appreciate you listening to me 

User
Posted 01 Feb 2024 at 20:12

Hi Trevor.

I too, had serious errors made during my cancer treatment. Over a period of a year, I made several complaints to PALS, but didn't get a satisfactory reply. I've now put it in the hands of the Parliamentary Health Ombudsman.

Edited by member 01 Feb 2024 at 20:13  | Reason: Spelling

User
Posted 01 Feb 2024 at 21:20

That is appalling. I’m glad to hear you are now going to be offered all of the proper available options, but can’t believe you were put through that unnecessary added stress due to somebody’s incompetence. Good luck with both your next meeting and the complaint! 👍

User
Posted 09 Feb 2024 at 13:01

Just an update , had a phone call today The consultant wants to see me Wednesday I think they have reconsidered my treatment plan , has anybody had radiotherapy would like there views , I may be offered it 

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User
Posted 31 Jan 2024 at 22:28

Hi Trevor 

sorry, I can’t help or advise you with this, but am commenting to bump your post up to the top of the list in the hope someone more knowledgable will see it.

Good luck tomorrow.

Ian.

User
Posted 31 Jan 2024 at 22:34

Sorry you are here, and that this is such short notice to prepare you for the meeting. My usual first comment is that your life expectancy is probably 87. I don't know anything about you, you may be running ultra marathons and likely to live to 100, or you may smoke 40 cigs a day and drink 8 pints of beer. I myself ride a motorcycle so that knocks a few years of my life expectancy.

That you have cancer is no surprise, very few men who get to 79 have not got cancer, and you have probably had it for a decade or so.

So assuming you are an average man with an average life expectancy you need to think what the next 8 years will bring. Well prostate cancer is usually slow growing, if you were 3+3 I doubt it would progress far enough in 8 years to be your cause of death. With 4+3 it probably will progress and shorten your life by two or three years.

We have had men on here treated in their mid to late 70s and we may have had people treated in there early 80s I can't remember if I have seen such posts in the four years I have been on this site.

I am going to assume you would not be fit enough to survive the operation (it is major), and if you were the prospect of a remaining life of possible incontinence would be too unappealing for you.

The next options are brachytherapy, or radiotherapy possibly both accompanied by hormone therapy. Hormone therapy improves the chance of successful RT, but you would probably be on it for two years and it would likely be quite unpleasant.

If you had brachytherapy or radiotherapy without hormone therapy it may not cure the cancer but it may slow it's progress by a few years. The problem with these treatments is they will cost the NHS about £20k. As your cancer is probably only going to cut your life short by a year or two the NHS may not think it is worth it (you may have a different opinion).

The latest version of radiotherapy is five shots over about two weeks, if it is available in your area it is probably your best chance of getting treatment. If they refuse RT see if you can get a second opinion. If you have a lot of cash ask about going private? (you can't take it with you).

If surgery/RT is ruled out. Another option is watch and wait until the cancer is showing signs of causing serious problems and then start you on hormone therapy for the rest of your life. It isn't pleasant but some people tolerate it well and if you managed to live till 83 before you started it, it would probably be effective for four or five years, so you would get to 87 without dieing of cancer.

As I know so little about you or your diagnosis I have had to make a lot of assumptions. This is the best information I can give you at short notice.

 

 

Dave

User
Posted 31 Jan 2024 at 23:02

 Trevor, welcome to the forum.

I can't add anything.

The two previous replies, show why this site is so good.

In footbal terminology. Ian got possession of the ball, crossed it, and Dave slammed it in the back of the net. Well done lads! 👏 

Edited by member 31 Jan 2024 at 23:07  | Reason: Typo

User
Posted 01 Feb 2024 at 19:48

Thankyou for replying , what you are saying is similar to what I have been told today in clinic , but things have changed , the doctor we saw today went through the findings and we told him we had been told nothing previous he thought we had been having appointments with urology nurses which we haven’t so he started to explain why they had to come to the conclusion at the MDT meeting the biggest shock was they had got my notes completely wrong at the MDT meeting they were told I had a pacemaker had a stroke had dementia and diabetes and arterial fibulation this was totally incorrect I am fit and walk 8 miles regularly run upstairs the only medication I take is tamsulosin and Sim vo statin , so this doctor dictated a letter asking for another MDT meeting with a full explanation , he also asked me if I would like radiotherapy and would be offered treatment if the cancer progressed which I had not been told before obviously don’t want treatment if it’s not necessary but to get my medical notes muddled with another person is beyond belief, we called in at the PALS office and they are going to put in a formal complaint on my behalf in the meantime I wait to be called back with the new MDT decision me and my wife really don’t need this it’s enough trying to get your head round it I appreciate you listening to me 

User
Posted 01 Feb 2024 at 20:12

Hi Trevor.

I too, had serious errors made during my cancer treatment. Over a period of a year, I made several complaints to PALS, but didn't get a satisfactory reply. I've now put it in the hands of the Parliamentary Health Ombudsman.

Edited by member 01 Feb 2024 at 20:13  | Reason: Spelling

User
Posted 01 Feb 2024 at 21:11

This is disgusting mismanagement. Staff in the NHS don't seem to suffer any consequences for their actions, whereas their patients suffer an early death.

Dave

User
Posted 01 Feb 2024 at 21:20

That is appalling. I’m glad to hear you are now going to be offered all of the proper available options, but can’t believe you were put through that unnecessary added stress due to somebody’s incompetence. Good luck with both your next meeting and the complaint! 👍

User
Posted 09 Feb 2024 at 13:01

Just an update , had a phone call today The consultant wants to see me Wednesday I think they have reconsidered my treatment plan , has anybody had radiotherapy would like there views , I may be offered it 

 
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