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PSA- How low can you go?

User
Posted 09 Feb 2024 at 03:36

I have been fairly sanguine about this whole prostate cancer thing, from the start I have realised that since I had high grade and most of the cores were 100%, my chances of cure must be very low indeed. Added to that the fact that they did not radiate my lymph nodes does not fill me with confidence. My expectation is that the cancer will progress and that at some point I will need further treatment, my prayers are that it will be later rather than sooner. 

I have tried to be stoical but my upcoming quarterly PSA test on 14th February really has me agitated. 15 months on HT and almost a year after RT, the PSA has been 0.34, which compared to others on here is disappointing, it seems to be heading in the right direction but not as low as I would have liked. A lot of my research suggests that less than a nadir of 0.3 has a better prognosis than above that seemingly magical number.

Now all of a sudden I am fearful that next weeks result might show a rise. I don't have anyone to talk to about my situation as the wife is supportive but copes better by not discussing it  and there isn't really anyone else. Anyway, I don't know why I am posting this as it wont change anything but it makes me feel a bit better. 

User
Posted 09 Feb 2024 at 14:15

Hi Rory,

Really sorry to hear you’re struggling a bit. Lyn can answer your question much better than I can, and I agree with her. I get a little upset(but pleased for them) when the guys in my Maggies Group on the same treatment come in and say they are <0.1. (I’m currently 0.1). However they’re starting from a much lower PSA than I was (36) so I just have to accept that I may never reach that level…and just getting on with my life as best I can.

I do feel so sorry that you don’t have anyone to talk to. Talking to family is good, but TBH talking to other men(and women for that matter) who have had cancer is so much better….they just get it! They understand what you’re going through. Do you not have a support Group such as Maggies you could join? I’m just back from the weekly meeting….we had a fascinating discussion about terminology when it comes to prognosis and how it’s affected us, especially if we suddenly find out we’ve been classed as Terminal. There are guys in the Group with a FAR worse prognosis than me but we support each other…and we make friends and have a lot of laughs as well. If you don’t have a support group but would like to chat with me about anything, PM me and we can maybe WhatsApp. I’ve made really good friends with another member on here and we chat regularly and we find it really helps us both…we even met up on holiday and it was just so nice.

All the best,

Derek

User
Posted 10 Feb 2024 at 08:46

If you are by yourself, it can be really useful to talk with someone.

Obviously there's the specialist nurse helpline: 0800 074 8383

Sadly, Tackle have recently closed down their patient-operated helpline, but the helpliners have moved over to the Prostate Cancer Support national helpline: 0800 774 7560

User
Posted 09 Feb 2024 at 03:36

I have been fairly sanguine about this whole prostate cancer thing, from the start I have realised that since I had high grade and most of the cores were 100%, my chances of cure must be very low indeed. Added to that the fact that they did not radiate my lymph nodes does not fill me with confidence. My expectation is that the cancer will progress and that at some point I will need further treatment, my prayers are that it will be later rather than sooner. 

I have tried to be stoical but my upcoming quarterly PSA test on 14th February really has me agitated. 15 months on HT and almost a year after RT, the PSA has been 0.34, which compared to others on here is disappointing, it seems to be heading in the right direction but not as low as I would have liked. A lot of my research suggests that less than a nadir of 0.3 has a better prognosis than above that seemingly magical number.

Now all of a sudden I am fearful that next weeks result might show a rise. I don't have anyone to talk to about my situation as the wife is supportive but copes better by not discussing it  and there isn't really anyone else. Anyway, I don't know why I am posting this as it wont change anything but it makes me feel a bit better. 

User
Posted 09 Feb 2024 at 13:05
You are over-thinking it. There isn't an optimal PSA for a man who has had RT and is still on HT - some might drop to 5 and some will drop to <0.1 What is important in the 18 months post-RT but while still on HT is that the PSA is either dropping or staying fairly stable; when you stop HT your PSA may rise up to 2.3 without there being any concerns.

You can't compare yourself to men who don't have a prostate who might get readings of <0.01, <0.005, etc.

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 09 Feb 2024 at 15:47

I had prostate removed 6 years ago followed by 33 sessions of radiation. Am now on Bicalutamide 150mg per day for last 4 years.

My PSA checked every 3/4 months with visits to Oncoloogist

Last 4 visits were

Jan23 1.08

March23 0.64

July23 1.02

Dec23 1.26.

Still using 3 pads per day never been in full control since removal, leakage traumatic at times. Now there's a shortage of Viridal. grrrrrrr.

Seem to always be angry at moment, is it me or are others feeling the same, a little deflated. Oncologist says if PSA rises in March another scan beckons.

Is there no end to this uncertainty.

 

 

 

User
Posted 10 Feb 2024 at 06:02

Derek,

I always read your updates and a long time ago decided that you were one of the good guys; an honest decent bloke. I appreciate your message, in fact it cheered me up immensely. Thanks for your PM.

Best Wishes

Rory 

User
Posted 10 Feb 2024 at 09:56

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
Now all of a sudden I am fearful that next weeks result might show a rise.

Sorry to see you're struggling a bit Rory. It doesn't matter what treatment path we chose, most of us worry about rising PSA levels and recurrence.

Keep your chin up mate. You'll always find support here.

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User
Posted 09 Feb 2024 at 13:05
You are over-thinking it. There isn't an optimal PSA for a man who has had RT and is still on HT - some might drop to 5 and some will drop to <0.1 What is important in the 18 months post-RT but while still on HT is that the PSA is either dropping or staying fairly stable; when you stop HT your PSA may rise up to 2.3 without there being any concerns.

You can't compare yourself to men who don't have a prostate who might get readings of <0.01, <0.005, etc.

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 09 Feb 2024 at 14:09
Thanks for your response, appreciated. However, my comparators were not men who had a prostatectomy but chaps who had undergone RP and ADT.

Thank you,

Rory

User
Posted 09 Feb 2024 at 14:15

Hi Rory,

Really sorry to hear you’re struggling a bit. Lyn can answer your question much better than I can, and I agree with her. I get a little upset(but pleased for them) when the guys in my Maggies Group on the same treatment come in and say they are <0.1. (I’m currently 0.1). However they’re starting from a much lower PSA than I was (36) so I just have to accept that I may never reach that level…and just getting on with my life as best I can.

I do feel so sorry that you don’t have anyone to talk to. Talking to family is good, but TBH talking to other men(and women for that matter) who have had cancer is so much better….they just get it! They understand what you’re going through. Do you not have a support Group such as Maggies you could join? I’m just back from the weekly meeting….we had a fascinating discussion about terminology when it comes to prognosis and how it’s affected us, especially if we suddenly find out we’ve been classed as Terminal. There are guys in the Group with a FAR worse prognosis than me but we support each other…and we make friends and have a lot of laughs as well. If you don’t have a support group but would like to chat with me about anything, PM me and we can maybe WhatsApp. I’ve made really good friends with another member on here and we chat regularly and we find it really helps us both…we even met up on holiday and it was just so nice.

All the best,

Derek

User
Posted 09 Feb 2024 at 15:47

I had prostate removed 6 years ago followed by 33 sessions of radiation. Am now on Bicalutamide 150mg per day for last 4 years.

My PSA checked every 3/4 months with visits to Oncoloogist

Last 4 visits were

Jan23 1.08

March23 0.64

July23 1.02

Dec23 1.26.

Still using 3 pads per day never been in full control since removal, leakage traumatic at times. Now there's a shortage of Viridal. grrrrrrr.

Seem to always be angry at moment, is it me or are others feeling the same, a little deflated. Oncologist says if PSA rises in March another scan beckons.

Is there no end to this uncertainty.

 

 

 

User
Posted 10 Feb 2024 at 06:02

Derek,

I always read your updates and a long time ago decided that you were one of the good guys; an honest decent bloke. I appreciate your message, in fact it cheered me up immensely. Thanks for your PM.

Best Wishes

Rory 

User
Posted 10 Feb 2024 at 08:46

If you are by yourself, it can be really useful to talk with someone.

Obviously there's the specialist nurse helpline: 0800 074 8383

Sadly, Tackle have recently closed down their patient-operated helpline, but the helpliners have moved over to the Prostate Cancer Support national helpline: 0800 774 7560

User
Posted 10 Feb 2024 at 09:56

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
Now all of a sudden I am fearful that next weeks result might show a rise.

Sorry to see you're struggling a bit Rory. It doesn't matter what treatment path we chose, most of us worry about rising PSA levels and recurrence.

Keep your chin up mate. You'll always find support here.

 
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