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User
Posted 06 Mar 2024 at 11:15

I had robot-assisted prostate removal surgery on Wednesday 21st February 2024. I came home on the following day, Thursday 22nd February with a catheter.

The catheter was removed on Monday 4th March. Since then I have had virtually no bladder control (today is Wednesday 6th March).

Daytime

I am wearing incontinence pants as I will spontaneously “spurt” urine without any warning. The quantity does vary from small amounts to longer periods of weeing (3-4 seconds). Once started I cannot stop the flow. And these periods of spurting/leaking can continue for 30-45 minutes.

The problem increases in frequency and volume as the day progresses, as I assume the body takes on more liquid and food during the day.

Sometimes the spurts are triggered by coughs, sneezes, bending down, sitting down or standing up - stress incontinence.

I do stop drinking and eating at around 6:30 in the evening.

I seem to be getting through 6 or so incontinence pants a day.

Night-time

During the night it seems better. I can go to sleep and wake up 4-6 times during the night and can get to the bathroom for a wee. There appears to be very little leakage during the night.

Pelvic Floor Exercises

I have been trying to do these and have the Squeezy app to help. Never quite sure that I am doing them correctly and some leakage does occur as I do them.

Summary

I realise that this is only day three after the catheter removal. Am I experiencing “normal” issues? Is there anything else I should be doing or can be done to help? Am I just too impatient!

User
Posted 06 Mar 2024 at 15:04

Hello Hammurabi

It is very early days, your journey of recovery has just started. The only thing you can and should do is light walking and start doing pelvic floor (Kegel) exercises. After my prostatectomy some years ago, on removal of my catheter I was totally incontinent. My consultant surgeon advised me to do pelvic floor exercises as follows and not waste any money on physiotherapy! It is very easy: Sit on the toilet and the urine will flow freely. Now try to stop the flow - this is intuitive - keeping your pelvic muscles under tension, count to ten and relax those muscles, then count to ten again, and repeat the process ten times. Do these two/three times a day but don't overdo it; there is a temptation to try and speed up the process. Initially you will probably notice no difference; be patient. In my case I began to notice some improvement after three weeks and two months later when I woke up one morning my pad was totally dry. When my progress flattened out at 99.9% (I leak when sexually excited and at orgasm!) my consultant told me that because of my age (I was a little older than you then) I may have to just be satisfied with that and adapt to the new normal which we have. Unfortunately some consultants are not always honest about both incontinence and the possibility of total or partial ED even with nerve sparing procedures. Be patient and you will begin to see improvement soon. Good luck.

 

 

 'Physics is like sex: sure, it may give some practical results, but that’s not why we do it.'                    Richard Feynman (1918-1988) Nobel Prize laureate

 

 

User
Posted 06 Mar 2024 at 21:21

Hi there

 I had the same experience after an RP in 2020. I was so down hearted by the incontinence I experienced and never thought it would improve. Be assured it will . Be patient and do all the things that can help. I am sure you will have read about that. It is different for all men but improvement will come so do not be too despondent.

Wish you luck and I know you will feel more positive soon.

User
Posted 08 Mar 2024 at 03:12
Well, you sound exactly like I did at that time. Things will improve but it is essential that you do your pelvic floor exercises. Closest I can describe them is to pretend there is a marble on the floor. Try to pick it up with your butt. I had a cystoscopy so I could see the sphincter close when I squeezed. I too had the issue that once the flow started, I could not stop it. Sometimes, 4 months post op, I still have that issue. Be patient, it might be slow, but things will get better. For you it is still very early days.
User
Posted 16 Oct 2024 at 11:37
Well this is definitely the thread I needed to find. Only had catheter out yesterday (15/10/24) and although I was prepared for the incontinence, what I wasn't prepared for was the flow of urine when I am stood up or moving even though there is no feeling or urge to wee.

I was really worried that there was something else not right as even though I wasn't sure what to expect, I didn't realise the flow would happen of its own accord with no sign that I needed the loo.

While my heart goes out to everybody suffering in the same way, it is reassuring to know that what I am experiencing is pretty typical.

Dave

User
Posted 06 Mar 2024 at 11:15

I had robot-assisted prostate removal surgery on Wednesday 21st February 2024. I came home on the following day, Thursday 22nd February with a catheter.

The catheter was removed on Monday 4th March. Since then I have had virtually no bladder control (today is Wednesday 6th March).

Daytime

I am wearing incontinence pants as I will spontaneously “spurt” urine without any warning. The quantity does vary from small amounts to longer periods of weeing (3-4 seconds). Once started I cannot stop the flow. And these periods of spurting/leaking can continue for 30-45 minutes.

The problem increases in frequency and volume as the day progresses, as I assume the body takes on more liquid and food during the day.

Sometimes the spurts are triggered by coughs, sneezes, bending down, sitting down or standing up - stress incontinence.

I do stop drinking and eating at around 6:30 in the evening.

I seem to be getting through 6 or so incontinence pants a day.

Night-time

During the night it seems better. I can go to sleep and wake up 4-6 times during the night and can get to the bathroom for a wee. There appears to be very little leakage during the night.

Pelvic Floor Exercises

I have been trying to do these and have the Squeezy app to help. Never quite sure that I am doing them correctly and some leakage does occur as I do them.

Summary

I realise that this is only day three after the catheter removal. Am I experiencing “normal” issues? Is there anything else I should be doing or can be done to help? Am I just too impatient!

User
Posted 06 Mar 2024 at 11:42

Hello mate. Welcome to the forum.

I had the same op just over a year ago for the first 2 or  3 weeks I had virtually no bladder control. Ove the next 6 months things improved and I regained full continence.

People recover at different rates, if things don't improve get onto the hospital and explain your difficulties.

User
Posted 06 Mar 2024 at 14:11
Yes, very early days yet - it will improve.

One technique is when standing at the loo - try and stop the flow and identify which muscles you are using to do so - these are what you need to work on with your pelvic floor exercises. You will likely leak for the first week or so doing these.

Don't be disheartened - it just takes time.

User
Posted 07 Mar 2024 at 09:11
Many thanks to all who have responded. Your thoughts have helped me a lot to understand what I am going through and I can see light at the end of a tunnel. Hopefully the tunnel is not too long and it is not a train fast approaching :)
User
Posted 08 Mar 2024 at 07:34
Hi, it is just a case of doing the exercises and being patient for now. My Husband is a bit further along than you, just over 8 weeks post op. He is still fully incontinent but is taking note of what we’ve read and everyone’s help and advice on here! Hopefully things will start to improve soon.
User
Posted 08 Mar 2024 at 15:37

Seems guys' experience of post op  incontinence ranges from total loss of control to a few lucky chaps who are completely dry after catheter removal. 

I'm just over 4 weeks post op. I have been completely dry at night since catheter removal. For me it seems to be a gravity and motion induced issue. Walking I leak a fair bit, getting up, bending down etc. Apart from just 'leaking' small amounts I can stop any other more major 'squirts'. Also does seem to get worse as the day goes on.

Overall I'd say there is a slow improvement but it's not linear - one day I think I've turned a corner next it's worse again.

Got to just believe it will slowly improve - the stats and anecdotal comments on this forum indicate a high chance of recovery. 

 

User
Posted 22 May 2024 at 22:41

I was similar. Twoc went ok but as the day progressed I leaked a bit as I got tired. I wasn’t dry until week 5 when the stitches around the bladder neck start to soften release tension on the sphincter. After this didn’t need pads. Over the next year the scar tissues slowly softens and things should improve over this time. Pelvic floor exercises also help loads especially stopping any leaks or squirts.

no issues at night other than an incident after a barrel of beer with a friend a few months in. 

Edited by member 22 May 2024 at 22:43  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 22 May 2024 at 23:01

Reason it gets worse as the day goes on is because the sphincter muscle(s) tires I believe.

How's it going now? I've seen some Improvement but it's very slow and still need a pad, or maybe two if I have a physically active day.

User
Posted 01 Jun 2024 at 09:44

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

Hello, first post here…I’m 12 days post op and 3 days post catheter removal.

Hello mate. I'm sorry that you've had to join the Club, but welcome.

Incontinence can vary enormously, so it's difficult to even give a normal recovery rate. Nurses told me that about 80% of patients recovered after about 6 months.

Having all those toilet trips during the night must badly affect your sleep and being tired will not aid your overall recovery. If it becomes too much of a problem give the nurses a call.

Steve's urinal bottle is a good idea. I used to use one, it disturbs your sleep less than traipsing to the loo.

Best of luck.

Edited by member 01 Jun 2024 at 09:55  | Reason: Additional text

User
Posted 01 Jun 2024 at 10:06

I haven’t been on this site for very long, but one thing that I have learnt is that there quite often isn’t any real basis for defining normal with regard to side effects.  Different people can have quite significantly different reactions to virtually the same circumstances and treatments.

I’m sure that those with more experience can provide some better advice but comparisons with others seems to be of limited value and much of the benefit comes from just knowing that others are on a similar journey.

User
Posted 01 Jun 2024 at 12:22

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
… at least others are suffering as much as you are. 😁

That wasn’t quite the sentiment that I was aiming for, but you’re not wrong! 😂

User
Posted 16 Oct 2024 at 19:05

Stick with it, it'll improve fairly rapidly over the next few days and then more slowly over the coming weeks and months. Whatever happens keep drinking and dont dehydrate just because you are weeing a lot and leaking, as dehydration will bring its own problems. Good luck with your recovery. 

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User
Posted 06 Mar 2024 at 11:42

Hello mate. Welcome to the forum.

I had the same op just over a year ago for the first 2 or  3 weeks I had virtually no bladder control. Ove the next 6 months things improved and I regained full continence.

People recover at different rates, if things don't improve get onto the hospital and explain your difficulties.

User
Posted 06 Mar 2024 at 14:11
Yes, very early days yet - it will improve.

One technique is when standing at the loo - try and stop the flow and identify which muscles you are using to do so - these are what you need to work on with your pelvic floor exercises. You will likely leak for the first week or so doing these.

Don't be disheartened - it just takes time.

User
Posted 06 Mar 2024 at 14:34

Thank you both. I'll give it a try.

User
Posted 06 Mar 2024 at 15:04

Hello Hammurabi

It is very early days, your journey of recovery has just started. The only thing you can and should do is light walking and start doing pelvic floor (Kegel) exercises. After my prostatectomy some years ago, on removal of my catheter I was totally incontinent. My consultant surgeon advised me to do pelvic floor exercises as follows and not waste any money on physiotherapy! It is very easy: Sit on the toilet and the urine will flow freely. Now try to stop the flow - this is intuitive - keeping your pelvic muscles under tension, count to ten and relax those muscles, then count to ten again, and repeat the process ten times. Do these two/three times a day but don't overdo it; there is a temptation to try and speed up the process. Initially you will probably notice no difference; be patient. In my case I began to notice some improvement after three weeks and two months later when I woke up one morning my pad was totally dry. When my progress flattened out at 99.9% (I leak when sexually excited and at orgasm!) my consultant told me that because of my age (I was a little older than you then) I may have to just be satisfied with that and adapt to the new normal which we have. Unfortunately some consultants are not always honest about both incontinence and the possibility of total or partial ED even with nerve sparing procedures. Be patient and you will begin to see improvement soon. Good luck.

 

 

 'Physics is like sex: sure, it may give some practical results, but that’s not why we do it.'                    Richard Feynman (1918-1988) Nobel Prize laureate

 

 

User
Posted 06 Mar 2024 at 21:21

Hi there

 I had the same experience after an RP in 2020. I was so down hearted by the incontinence I experienced and never thought it would improve. Be assured it will . Be patient and do all the things that can help. I am sure you will have read about that. It is different for all men but improvement will come so do not be too despondent.

Wish you luck and I know you will feel more positive soon.

User
Posted 07 Mar 2024 at 09:11
Many thanks to all who have responded. Your thoughts have helped me a lot to understand what I am going through and I can see light at the end of a tunnel. Hopefully the tunnel is not too long and it is not a train fast approaching :)
User
Posted 08 Mar 2024 at 03:12
Well, you sound exactly like I did at that time. Things will improve but it is essential that you do your pelvic floor exercises. Closest I can describe them is to pretend there is a marble on the floor. Try to pick it up with your butt. I had a cystoscopy so I could see the sphincter close when I squeezed. I too had the issue that once the flow started, I could not stop it. Sometimes, 4 months post op, I still have that issue. Be patient, it might be slow, but things will get better. For you it is still very early days.
User
Posted 08 Mar 2024 at 07:34
Hi, it is just a case of doing the exercises and being patient for now. My Husband is a bit further along than you, just over 8 weeks post op. He is still fully incontinent but is taking note of what we’ve read and everyone’s help and advice on here! Hopefully things will start to improve soon.
User
Posted 08 Mar 2024 at 15:37

Seems guys' experience of post op  incontinence ranges from total loss of control to a few lucky chaps who are completely dry after catheter removal. 

I'm just over 4 weeks post op. I have been completely dry at night since catheter removal. For me it seems to be a gravity and motion induced issue. Walking I leak a fair bit, getting up, bending down etc. Apart from just 'leaking' small amounts I can stop any other more major 'squirts'. Also does seem to get worse as the day goes on.

Overall I'd say there is a slow improvement but it's not linear - one day I think I've turned a corner next it's worse again.

Got to just believe it will slowly improve - the stats and anecdotal comments on this forum indicate a high chance of recovery. 

 

User
Posted 17 Mar 2024 at 09:13

How is it going now? Any improvement? 

User
Posted 10 May 2024 at 19:26

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

I'm just over 4 weeks post op. I have been completely dry at night since catheter removal. For me it seems to be a gravity and motion induced issue. Walking I leak a fair bit, getting up, bending down etc. Apart from just 'leaking' small amounts I can stop any other more major 'squirts'. Also does seem to get worse as the day goes on.

I’m also just at the end of week 4 and my experience seems to be exactly the same.  I’m not sure why it seems to be worse as the day goes on but that is also my feeling.

User
Posted 22 May 2024 at 22:41

I was similar. Twoc went ok but as the day progressed I leaked a bit as I got tired. I wasn’t dry until week 5 when the stitches around the bladder neck start to soften release tension on the sphincter. After this didn’t need pads. Over the next year the scar tissues slowly softens and things should improve over this time. Pelvic floor exercises also help loads especially stopping any leaks or squirts.

no issues at night other than an incident after a barrel of beer with a friend a few months in. 

Edited by member 22 May 2024 at 22:43  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 22 May 2024 at 23:01

Reason it gets worse as the day goes on is because the sphincter muscle(s) tires I believe.

How's it going now? I've seen some Improvement but it's very slow and still need a pad, or maybe two if I have a physically active day.

User
Posted 22 May 2024 at 23:02

Dry at 5 weeks is way above average. Great result.

User
Posted 23 May 2024 at 06:58

With the retzius sparing rarp it’s fairly common to see full continence from day 1 after catheter removal I believe talking to a few patients. In my case my PCa was more extensive and required additional resection around the bladder neck…..I’d guess this is why it took a little more time to settle. 

I had the odd leak at the gym (post 12 weeks surgery) for a few months doing dips and pull ups. But they settled and now only get the occasional drip or squirt when leaning over a sink with full bladder. I’ve not worn pads since a few months after surgery although I have done as a precaution if going into a stressful situation like dental work or having my bloods done. Not had any leaks there so more reassurance when my butt hole is twitching like a rabbits nose.

Edited by member 23 May 2024 at 07:04  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 30 May 2024 at 20:55

Hi there, I had the same op on 13th April with catheter out on 29th. My symptoms have been EXACTLY as you mention, which although are not pleasant its good to know they are likely par for the course.

User
Posted 30 May 2024 at 22:21

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
Hi there, I had the same op on 13th April with catheter out on 29th. My symptoms have been EXACTLY as you mention, which although are not pleasant its good to know they are likely par for the course.

Wow, mine was the exact same day. Now coming up to 7 weeks post-op and my leaking is mainly confined to the afternoons or when I walk around the garden without any clothes on!  Had my follow up PSA bloods taken today and am seeing the CNS on 17th June.

Edited by member 30 May 2024 at 22:22  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 01 Jun 2024 at 08:17

Hello, first post here…I’m 12 days post op and 3 days post catheter removal. So far so dry but…I need to pee all the time and in the night I’m up every 40 to 60 mins. Is this normal? Does it get better? Thanks 

Edited by member 01 Jun 2024 at 08:17  | Reason: New question

User
Posted 01 Jun 2024 at 09:35
In almost all cases then yes it will improve over time. I can't say that it's ever 100% - I am a year post RP and I can catch myself out when lifting especially - but only a dribble and then I know I need to go and empty my bladder.

Depending upon how much I drink (I am on SRT at the moment so drinking a lot of water) it can be 3-4 times a night - I have a urinal bottle by the side of the bed so I don't disturb my sleep pattern too much. Try not to drink after 6pm and see how that helps - avoiding or cutting back on tea, coffee and alcohol will probably help too.

User
Posted 01 Jun 2024 at 09:44

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

Hello, first post here…I’m 12 days post op and 3 days post catheter removal.

Hello mate. I'm sorry that you've had to join the Club, but welcome.

Incontinence can vary enormously, so it's difficult to even give a normal recovery rate. Nurses told me that about 80% of patients recovered after about 6 months.

Having all those toilet trips during the night must badly affect your sleep and being tired will not aid your overall recovery. If it becomes too much of a problem give the nurses a call.

Steve's urinal bottle is a good idea. I used to use one, it disturbs your sleep less than traipsing to the loo.

Best of luck.

Edited by member 01 Jun 2024 at 09:55  | Reason: Additional text

User
Posted 01 Jun 2024 at 10:06

I haven’t been on this site for very long, but one thing that I have learnt is that there quite often isn’t any real basis for defining normal with regard to side effects.  Different people can have quite significantly different reactions to virtually the same circumstances and treatments.

I’m sure that those with more experience can provide some better advice but comparisons with others seems to be of limited value and much of the benefit comes from just knowing that others are on a similar journey.

User
Posted 01 Jun 2024 at 10:28

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
I’m sure that those with more experience can provide some better advice but comparisons with others seems to be of limited value and much of the benefit comes from just knowing that others are on a similar journey.

Very true mate. It's often a case of getting some weird comfort in knowing that at least others are suffering as much as you are. 😁

User
Posted 01 Jun 2024 at 12:22

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
… at least others are suffering as much as you are. 😁

That wasn’t quite the sentiment that I was aiming for, but you’re not wrong! 😂

User
Posted 01 Jun 2024 at 13:52

Thanks Steve, much appreciate your response 

User
Posted 16 Oct 2024 at 11:37
Well this is definitely the thread I needed to find. Only had catheter out yesterday (15/10/24) and although I was prepared for the incontinence, what I wasn't prepared for was the flow of urine when I am stood up or moving even though there is no feeling or urge to wee.

I was really worried that there was something else not right as even though I wasn't sure what to expect, I didn't realise the flow would happen of its own accord with no sign that I needed the loo.

While my heart goes out to everybody suffering in the same way, it is reassuring to know that what I am experiencing is pretty typical.

Dave

User
Posted 16 Oct 2024 at 19:05

Stick with it, it'll improve fairly rapidly over the next few days and then more slowly over the coming weeks and months. Whatever happens keep drinking and dont dehydrate just because you are weeing a lot and leaking, as dehydration will bring its own problems. Good luck with your recovery. 

 
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