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Posted 16 Apr 2024 at 13:10

Hi, I am 71 retired firefighter from Solihull, just had a psa come back at 1500 this morning, doctor arranging further tests.

please tell me there is hope for my wife’s sake, I have accepted it and will not get depressed about it, that’s life I tell myself 

Edited by member 16 Apr 2024 at 22:40  | Reason: Spellings

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Posted 26 Apr 2024 at 10:20

Told cancer had spread to nearby lymph nodes and possibly lump on neck, had a biopsy on lump on neck also 2 blood clots on lungs that they have given me blood thinners for, the doctor said this biopsy  won’t hurt,, lying b******. lol. Team at Worcestershire hospital getting together to make a plan, I’m in a good place in my head after reading the comments on here. 
Neil

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Posted 21 Apr 2024 at 20:05

Hi Neil,

Best to avoid Dr Google IMHO.  There are plenty of members on here that have documented their journey, including me. HT has not been kind to me, but some men seem to get off lightly. Others may say loss of libido is the worst but I think by far the worst is joint pain, but not ALL men get this, maybe just little bit of aching. Loss of libido is sad but it’s still possible to have a sex life if you experiment….and of course you want one😉 I still have one but without libido it’s an effort…and TBH I’d rather have a nice cup of coffee!
Ive just finished my HT a year early and will have been on it 2 years rather than 3. Onco was happy to do this as  my PSA is low and stable and my joint pain is causing me issues. But I’ve got through it and I think your body adapts to it. If you stay fit and active and keep your muscles strong I think it helps a lot…I made the mistake of easing off during RT and that’s when my problems started.
If you are on HT for life you might be given HT holidays to allow some recovery of your body, but I’m not sure how successful this is as it takes some time to recover your testosterone.

There are other options of course…you might be able to have an orchidectomy(actual castration). There seems to be differing opinions on whether it’s the lack of testosterone that causes the side effects, rather than the drug itself, so it’s uncertain if you’ll be able to avoid side effects if you go down this route. But if I was on HT for life I would certainly consider it….but then what if a new wonder drug comes along to avoid the need to this damaging HT? Its all really a minefield and difficult decisions need to be made, this forum and other support groups such as Maggies can help you make these decisions.

If you can, as I said before try and do things to stop your mind wandering and thinking the worst. Once you have all your results and a treatment plan in place I think you’ll find it easier to come to terms with the disease. Although I am on a curative path I know full well that I might NOT be cured, so I just try and enjoy each day as best I can and try not to think of what ‘might’ happen in the future.

All the best,

Derek

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Posted 16 Apr 2024 at 14:44
There is always hope - for example:

Trevor_Boothe was diagnosed with a PSA of 13,000 and mets (spread) all over his body but lived for 8 years I think, thanks to hormone treatment and chemo. In that time, he also survived 2 heart attacks!

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

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Posted 16 Apr 2024 at 16:54

Hi Neil,

I'm sure, as an ex-firefighter, you will have encountered and dealt with numerous potentially dangerous incidents. Your acceptance of this set back and not allowing it get on top of you is indicative of the man you are. Your resilience and physical fitness will help too.

I don't know how long you've been married, but if your wife has been with you through your career, she too will have gained a similar mindset.

Good luck mate.

Edited by member 16 Apr 2024 at 22:58  | Reason: Additional text

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Posted 16 Apr 2024 at 17:40

Hi Neil,

Welcome to our forum and I hope you find the support and help you need. There are some incredibly knowledgable members on here and ‘The Matron’(Lybeyre) has already given you hope for the future. Trying to stay positive and active is SO important during your journey, and it looks like you are that kind of person
It’s a difficult time waiting on all the tests and scans but until they are done, I think it’s difficult to know exactly what your prognosis will be. In the meantime be kind to yourself and give you and your wife and family lots of treats to help keep your mind from wandering too much.

Good Luck,

Derek

User
Posted 16 Apr 2024 at 17:49

Though one can't be certain until you have all the results, it is very likely you have prostate cancer and that it is spread beyond the prostate. The usual treatment at that stage is Hormone Therapy. It doesn't cure or kill the cancer, but it does make it dormant, and whilst it is dormant no matter how far it has spread, it doesn't do anymore harm. 

If you do end up on HT the first question is can you put up with the side effects? for most people the answer is, yes. Lack of libido is probably the worst side effect. 

The second question is how long will the treatment be effective? A bit of a how long is a piece of string question. I think five years is probably a reasonable average, at least two years is a reasonable minimum (occasionally it doesn't work at all though). The maximum has occasionally been, long enough to die of something else, I think 15 years would be a reasonable statement of the maximum it will last.

So there is certainly hope, perhaps not of living a very very long life, but definitely getting to the end of the weekend.

Dave

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Posted 02 Jul 2024 at 15:12

just seen Oncologist and he told me I had Metastatic adenocarcinoma with neuroendocrine differentiation, going to start triple therepy any else had these results? bit stressed

Edited by member 02 Jul 2024 at 15:13  | Reason: spelling

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Posted 02 Jul 2024 at 15:57

Hi Neil.

Thank you, especially at such a stressful time for you, to update us.

As I said before, as a time served fireman, you'll be better equipped than most to find a way find a way to fight and control this.

I haven't experienced the treatment you need but I'm sure there are others on here that can assist.

Best of luck.

 

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Posted 16 Apr 2024 at 14:44
There is always hope - for example:

Trevor_Boothe was diagnosed with a PSA of 13,000 and mets (spread) all over his body but lived for 8 years I think, thanks to hormone treatment and chemo. In that time, he also survived 2 heart attacks!

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 16 Apr 2024 at 15:28

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
There is always hope - for example:
Trevor_Boothe was diagnosed with a PSA of 13,000 and mets (spread) all over his body but lived for 8 years I think, thanks to hormone treatment and chemo. In that time, he also survived 2 heart attacks!

Thanks, Lyn

I am fit with no symptoms as yet but as you say there is hope. 

User
Posted 16 Apr 2024 at 16:18
Hi Neil,

Diagnosis is a worrying time.

Have your had an MRI scan and did the doctor feel your prostate. There's also a biopsy. Each of those adds to the picture and only the biopsy can actually say you have cancer.

1500 would indicate cancer but there are some big scores from large inflamed prostates.

Even if it is, there are a lot of treatments and it can depend how you react to them as they try different ones.

Good luck,

Peter

User
Posted 16 Apr 2024 at 16:48

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
Hi Neil, Diagnosis is a worrying time. Have your had an MRI scan and did the doctor feel your prostate. There's also a biopsy. Each of those adds to the picture and only the biopsy can actually say you have cancer. 1500 would indicate cancer but there are some big scores from large inflamed prostates. Even if it is, there are a lot of treatments and it can depend how you react to them as they try different ones. Good luck, Peter

Thanks Peter, I was only rang this morning by the doctor after full blood tests, all my blood was Normal except for prostate, he is arranging tests as soon as possible for me 

regards Neil

User
Posted 16 Apr 2024 at 16:54

Hi Neil,

I'm sure, as an ex-firefighter, you will have encountered and dealt with numerous potentially dangerous incidents. Your acceptance of this set back and not allowing it get on top of you is indicative of the man you are. Your resilience and physical fitness will help too.

I don't know how long you've been married, but if your wife has been with you through your career, she too will have gained a similar mindset.

Good luck mate.

Edited by member 16 Apr 2024 at 22:58  | Reason: Additional text

User
Posted 16 Apr 2024 at 17:40

Hi Neil,

Welcome to our forum and I hope you find the support and help you need. There are some incredibly knowledgable members on here and ‘The Matron’(Lybeyre) has already given you hope for the future. Trying to stay positive and active is SO important during your journey, and it looks like you are that kind of person
It’s a difficult time waiting on all the tests and scans but until they are done, I think it’s difficult to know exactly what your prognosis will be. In the meantime be kind to yourself and give you and your wife and family lots of treats to help keep your mind from wandering too much.

Good Luck,

Derek

User
Posted 16 Apr 2024 at 17:49

Though one can't be certain until you have all the results, it is very likely you have prostate cancer and that it is spread beyond the prostate. The usual treatment at that stage is Hormone Therapy. It doesn't cure or kill the cancer, but it does make it dormant, and whilst it is dormant no matter how far it has spread, it doesn't do anymore harm. 

If you do end up on HT the first question is can you put up with the side effects? for most people the answer is, yes. Lack of libido is probably the worst side effect. 

The second question is how long will the treatment be effective? A bit of a how long is a piece of string question. I think five years is probably a reasonable average, at least two years is a reasonable minimum (occasionally it doesn't work at all though). The maximum has occasionally been, long enough to die of something else, I think 15 years would be a reasonable statement of the maximum it will last.

So there is certainly hope, perhaps not of living a very very long life, but definitely getting to the end of the weekend.

Dave

User
Posted 16 Apr 2024 at 22:34

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

Hi Neil,

Welcome to our forum and I hope you find the support and help you need. There are some incredibly knowledgable members on here and ‘The Matron’(Lybeyre) has already given you hope for the future. Trying to stay positive and active is SO important during your journey, and it looks like you are that kind of person
It’s a difficult time waiting on all the tests and scans but until they are done, I think it’s difficult to know exactly what your prognosis will be. In the meantime be kind to yourself and give you and your wife and family lots of treats to help keep your mind from wandering too much.

Good Luck,

Derek

Thanks Derek, kind words.

Neil

User
Posted 16 Apr 2024 at 22:44

Thank you mate 

User
Posted 21 Apr 2024 at 19:28

Just been to see urologist and he felt my prostate, it’s enlarged and graggy, he is arranging  bone scan and then hormone treatment, bit worried about hormone treatment after goggling side effects, feel positive and if I can get another 5 years I will be happy. 
Neil

User
Posted 21 Apr 2024 at 20:05

Hi Neil,

Best to avoid Dr Google IMHO.  There are plenty of members on here that have documented their journey, including me. HT has not been kind to me, but some men seem to get off lightly. Others may say loss of libido is the worst but I think by far the worst is joint pain, but not ALL men get this, maybe just little bit of aching. Loss of libido is sad but it’s still possible to have a sex life if you experiment….and of course you want one😉 I still have one but without libido it’s an effort…and TBH I’d rather have a nice cup of coffee!
Ive just finished my HT a year early and will have been on it 2 years rather than 3. Onco was happy to do this as  my PSA is low and stable and my joint pain is causing me issues. But I’ve got through it and I think your body adapts to it. If you stay fit and active and keep your muscles strong I think it helps a lot…I made the mistake of easing off during RT and that’s when my problems started.
If you are on HT for life you might be given HT holidays to allow some recovery of your body, but I’m not sure how successful this is as it takes some time to recover your testosterone.

There are other options of course…you might be able to have an orchidectomy(actual castration). There seems to be differing opinions on whether it’s the lack of testosterone that causes the side effects, rather than the drug itself, so it’s uncertain if you’ll be able to avoid side effects if you go down this route. But if I was on HT for life I would certainly consider it….but then what if a new wonder drug comes along to avoid the need to this damaging HT? Its all really a minefield and difficult decisions need to be made, this forum and other support groups such as Maggies can help you make these decisions.

If you can, as I said before try and do things to stop your mind wandering and thinking the worst. Once you have all your results and a treatment plan in place I think you’ll find it easier to come to terms with the disease. Although I am on a curative path I know full well that I might NOT be cured, so I just try and enjoy each day as best I can and try not to think of what ‘might’ happen in the future.

All the best,

Derek

User
Posted 26 Apr 2024 at 10:20

Told cancer had spread to nearby lymph nodes and possibly lump on neck, had a biopsy on lump on neck also 2 blood clots on lungs that they have given me blood thinners for, the doctor said this biopsy  won’t hurt,, lying b******. lol. Team at Worcestershire hospital getting together to make a plan, I’m in a good place in my head after reading the comments on here. 
Neil

User
Posted 02 Jul 2024 at 15:12

just seen Oncologist and he told me I had Metastatic adenocarcinoma with neuroendocrine differentiation, going to start triple therepy any else had these results? bit stressed

Edited by member 02 Jul 2024 at 15:13  | Reason: spelling

User
Posted 02 Jul 2024 at 15:57

Hi Neil.

Thank you, especially at such a stressful time for you, to update us.

As I said before, as a time served fireman, you'll be better equipped than most to find a way find a way to fight and control this.

I haven't experienced the treatment you need but I'm sure there are others on here that can assist.

Best of luck.

 

 
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