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Posted 02 Jun 2024 at 17:30

Hello...another newby filled with usual doubts and panic. I'm 63 diagnosed last month provisional t3a n0 psa 38.5. no seminal involvement. Initial mri showed nothing untoward in pelvis and subsequent full cat also clear. I had full mri last night and its that I'm worried about...dreaded bone mets? just hoping my stage stays the same and I can start my choice of rad sessions at clatterbridge (I think) would be grateful for any advice etc...thanks in advance.

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Posted 02 Jun 2024 at 18:30

Hi Thuddly,

Welcome to our club, I’m sure you’d rather not find yourself here but you’ve done the right thing by joining giving the circumstances. My PSA was 36 at diagnosis but I DID have Seminal Vesicle involvement (I didn’t even know what they were before getting PCa) but no sign of spread to bones etc.

You’ll probably still be in shock mode following your diagnosis but once all your tests have concluded, the MDT has met and you’ve made your choice of treatment, you will hopefully start to feel better. I’m not sure whether surgery will be an option for you, it wasn’t for me although I’m in Scotland and they have a different criteria for deciding whether it is.

When you speak to most people on here, they seem to tolerate the RT fine. yes there are a few short time side effects but for me they passed very quickly. HT on the other hand😩…it’s been bad for me bad others seem to sail through it.

In the meantime, whilst waiting(the worst part!) keep yourself busy and active, be kind to yourself and do lots of nice things with your family…it really does keep your mind from wondering and thinking the worst.

Good luck with your journey!

Derek

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Posted 02 Jun 2024 at 18:42
Thanks for quick reply...your psa as high as mine...kinda reasuring I thought I was alone being that high? I am trying to divert my mind but after last nights mri I feel everything is on that result...its the mets thing! Just putting myself in the right frame of mind is difficult but I guess a new 'normal' will eventually set in.
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Posted 02 Jun 2024 at 19:03

I thought mine was high too, especially after the phone call from my GP who told me in no uncertain terms that I had PCa! Then I learned that quite a few men(and there’s some on here) have PSAs in the 100s or even 1000s!
So yes, it’s high,  but it sounds as though you will like me, be on a curative path. There’s not much you can do until you have the results of the tests. I had a Nuclear Bone Scan(sounds scary!) but it was a relief for me when that came back clear.

Everyone worries about mets, I still do worry about undetected micro mets and recurrence, but just put it to the back of my mind and get on with having fun. There’s lots of support out there…as well as this brilliant forum, PCUK have specialist nurses who you can phone and they will spend time with you. Also your CNS. If you feel like you could do with more support, Maggies has been my saviour. I go along to the men’s cancer support group meetings and get so much from them. if you’re struggling with anxiety go and see your GP!

Give yourself a few treats to help keep you in the right frame of mind!

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Posted 02 Jun 2024 at 19:33
Cheers! its good to know there are people out there who will help and support, feeling a bit bewildered at the moment.
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Posted 02 Jun 2024 at 20:43

Hi Thuddy. My diagnosis was very similar to Decho's - T3b, PSA 36. I went down the surgical route but had to follow that with salvage radiotherapy. You medical team will no doubt be discussing you treatment options with you (if they haven't already). It's always a bit of a difficult decision choosing your treatment option. All radical treatments come with side effects which you may get to a greater or lesser degree. As Decho pointed out the HT was bad for him but reasonably tolerable for others. Feel free to ask as many questions as you like. There are plenty of people on this forum who can give you the answers. Chris

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Posted 02 Jun 2024 at 21:22
Thanks...if I get the all clear for mets (cat was clear...mri will tell I guess?...more accurate?) I was very worried about my high psa but still encapsulated so that makes a diff I guess? I do plan to try and contribute here as much as possible it seems a great place for info and support.
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Posted 02 Jun 2024 at 22:05

Someone correct me if I’m wrong but as I understand it ,if you ARE T3a the cancer has broken through the capsule. This means that if you opt for surgery there is a higher chance of requiring SRT(Salvage Radio Therapy) I think there are quite a few on here who have required SRT after surgery and who’s staging was T3a or even T3b. However if this is the case then at least you have a Plan B to be cured. If you go down the HT/RT route like me then the only option appears to be HT for life if they don’t get it all.

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Posted 02 Jun 2024 at 22:17
Still mulling my options but I think your route works best for me but I've so much to think about, need a day or two to clear my mind and not obsess but easier said than done. I have started reading about hormone side effects but I'm hoping I am lucky enough to get through it without too much of a problem...I have to get lucky sometime considering the last few weeks!
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Posted 03 Jun 2024 at 07:32

I wouldn’t mull it over too much before the MDT have met, unless they already have done? If you’re waiting on MRI probably they haven’t. They will decide what options are open to you and they may say No to surgery.

The reason I’m saying this I was told initially that surgery would be an option, and I was getting myself geared up for it as that was my preferred route. However when the MDT met they decided not to offer me surgery and I was gutted. Too much risk of leaving something behind they said. I liked the idea of having a Plan B on the surgery route rather than being on HT for life waiting on the inevitable if the Primary RT/HT treatment hasn’t got it all.

Derek

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Posted 03 Jun 2024 at 08:07

Without the MRI results I’m surprised you were given options. Or maybe it was discussion points with the consultant rather than firm options available to you ? MRI is the most accurate tool for staging (excepting PSMA PET scan). 

I think it’s generally acknowledged that extra capsular extension (T3 a or b) carries a greater risk of recurrence after surgery, although how much more risk I’ve never actually seen quantified. I’m T3a and my consultant ruled out surgery for that reason. Suited me as I wasn’t keen on surgery anyway, although I would have taken it if that was their recommendation. 

I’ve been on HT (Zoladex) for 7 months, hot flushes are bearable but libido is zero. I don’t recognise myself in that respect. Just finished 23 sessions of RT and that was ok, all things considered.

My only advice would be, when you are given options, is to take your time before deciding. There is no rush. Research, and ask lots of questions. 

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Posted 03 Jun 2024 at 08:14

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

 just hoping my stage stays the same and I can start my choice of rad sessions at clatterbridge (I think) would be grateful for any advice etc...thanks in advance.

Hello mate.

I had a similar diagnosis to you T3a, with EPE, Gleason 9 (4+5), PSA about 7 and had surgery. Please see my profile. Do I assume you're intent on RT and HT?

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Posted 03 Jun 2024 at 10:04
Yes Adrian, I would prefer Rt and Ht...prob only option I'll be offered. Nurse mentioned when I asked that the 5 session RT might be available privately but I'm not sure about that....still thinking it over...in-between panic attacks!
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Posted 03 Jun 2024 at 10:14

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
Nurse mentioned when I asked that the 5 session RT might be available privately but I'm not sure about that....still thinking it over...in-between panic attacks!

I'd have taken the five zap only option had it been available to me. They only offered me 35 zaps over 7 weeks. I couldn't have managed that many hospital visits. It was the main reason I chose surgery.

I know how anxious you must be mate, we've all been there, but I'm sure you'll be OK.

I wish you well.

Keep us updated, you'll get tons of support here.

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Posted 03 Jun 2024 at 10:20

Thuddly, a relative of mine had the five session version of RT on the NHS. There are limitations depending on the extent of the cancer. At the time it was part of the PACE trial ,not sure how widely it has been adopted.

Thanks Chris 

Edited by member 03 Jun 2024 at 10:23  | Reason: Not specified

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Posted 03 Jun 2024 at 12:45
Trying to gather info on 5 sessions if offered. I live close by clatterbridge so travel for longer treatment not a problem...just got to get past the last full mri scan, terrified of bone mets...the difference between that and curative treatment is driving me crazy although the replies mentioning psa levels as high as mine have reassured me a little. just seems like the last hurdle, after that I'll deal with what comes with the hopefully curative regime.
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Posted 03 Jun 2024 at 13:06

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
although the replies mentioning psa levels as high as mine have reassured me a little.

Personally, I wouldn't be too worried about your PSA level mate. I was Gleason 9 (4+5) and my PSA was always relatively low. I've done some research on high Gleason low PSA and that is apparently more concerning than high Gleason high PSA. There are so many ways to interpret your results.

Edited by member 03 Jun 2024 at 14:00  | Reason: Typo

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Posted 03 Jun 2024 at 14:40

ah ok...I thought the psa level much more important than my 4+3 gleason.....so much to learn about a subject I'd sooner be ignorant of..ha!

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Posted 03 Jun 2024 at 15:03

Hi Thuddly

PSA is useful for initial detection and ongoing monitoring. But Gleason grade is more important for understanding aggressiveness and with that, treatment options and prognosis.

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Posted 03 Jun 2024 at 15:13

ah! my high level has had me worried to death about spread even if clear ct reassured me a little, if I can get past result of full mri I think I can breathe a little easier and spend some time here with a clearer mind . from the little I've looked around here the level and amount  of knowledge is immense and gives me some hope.

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Posted 03 Jun 2024 at 18:47

Hi Thuddly,

I know it’s really difficult, but as my Onco said to me(he’s not got the best bedside manner!) don’t overthink this.

Get the MRI scan and see what it’s saying and what the MDT offer you as treatment options. Sounds like you favour HT/RT and that’s a good choice if you choose that over surgery(if it’s offered). Both should have similar outcomes. Neither is an easy choice, both have side effects and although surgery is done by robot it’s STILL MAJOR SURGERY…and there are risks and side effects such as long term erectile dysfunction and incontinence.

HT also has MANY side effects, some men have few mild side effects, others get them all and they affect their QOL.

One thing I would say, if I had been offered 5 sessions of RT with no HT, I would probably have chosen that over either of the other options.

I know it’s hard but please try and take your mind off things ATM and concentrate and building up your physical and mental state prior to any treatment starting….it really does make a difference. I felt lousy this morning, fatigued and feeling generally unwell, I got my ebike out, did a 32 mile circuit taking in some of  Edinburghs beauty spots, stopping for a Costa(always need a flat white to buck me up😊) and stopping for lunch at Cramond harbour. I got home about 2pm feeling full of energy and like a new woman(just a little joke of mine🤣🤣).

So give yourself some treats, get out for a walk, go to the gym, take the wife out for lunch and try and have some fun😊 Trust me, it really helps and will get you into a better state of mind for when/if you have to make a decision about treatment.

Derek

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Posted 03 Jun 2024 at 18:56
Thanks Derek...if I can handle it half as well as you I reckon I will be good.
 
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