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What's for breakfast?

User
Posted 30 Sep 2024 at 11:37

I have my first (of 33) RT sessions in 11 days time and have been reading up on the do's and dont's of what foods to eat. Much of it is common sense  but much also seems contradictory. However, one thing appears to be common across all and that is that my whole grain, high fibre, nutty, dried fruity granola breakfast taken with oat 'milk' will have to be parked for the foreseeable. Googling for a cereal that is not whole grain and contains no dried fruit etc  returns few results, all of which look mightily expensive. Can anyone recommend a product? And is it really so important not to have any whole grain at all? 


Peter


 


 

User
Posted 30 Sep 2024 at 12:13

Looks like your going to be on the 'full english' then. 


I think the main problem is gas in the bowels, so fizzy drinks are to be avoided and perhaps baked beans, but it does depend on how gassy these foods make you and we are all different. 


You also do not want to lose weight whilst undergoing treatment, that causes the prostate to move. 


I think I would look at your existing diet, cut out anything which is obviously a problem: fizzy drinks replace with still cordial. Things which may be a problem, cut down on: Brown bread replace with white bread. I can't immediately think of breakfast cereals because I don't eat them. 


If your current diet makes you fart a lot you will need quite a lot of changes; if it doesn't you probably don't need to change much.


 

Dave

User
Posted 30 Sep 2024 at 12:35

Hi Peter,


At your CT Planning scan, did they not speak to you about diet? When I had mine, they told me to eat my normal diet as they don’t want you to upset your digestive system. Sounded logical to me, however I did avoid curries on school nights💨💨💨


Good luck with the treatment and don’t stress about it…..I found it easy compared to 2 years on HT😩


Derek

User
Posted 30 Sep 2024 at 13:18

Dave, Derek, thanks. I've already changed my wholegrain bread and am trying out different white breads. I will cut out spicy stuff, onions and the like and I don't drink fizzy stuff anyway. More of a red winer and morning coffee (that has never irritated my bladder) or a real ale at the pub. My wife has done the research and will cut out the farty veggies (perhaps for her benefit as much as mine). At the planning session, the radiographer advised to avoid large portions and wholegrain, hence the cereal question. The session was in the morning and to be sure I was OK (and in my ignorance) I didn't eat anything beforehand. When I told the nurse she raised her eyebrows and said that an empty rectum is normally full of wind. It turned out that mine wasn't and we proceeded with the CT without any intervention required. Perhaps I was just lucky on that occasion. But there is always Wind-eze, I suppose. 


Peter 


 


 

User
Posted 30 Sep 2024 at 16:20

That's interesting Peter.   If I couldn't eat wholegrains, veg and beans, I'd need a daily enema.


What is a 'large' portion of wholegrain though?   I've found oats don't have a big effect.  To make a difference I need added bran.


I don't know if you've ever heard of Dr Tim Spector of Zoe.  Zoe do a lot of YouTube videos about healthy gut food.  I think it's about getting the balance right.  I spent a lot of my younger years quite constipated and damaged blood vessels by straining.  I later learnt about fibre, from my wife, and everything became alright.  We eat 'wholefood' 95% vegetarian.


I think I wouldn't change my diet but would try limiting the size.  I'd also think if my first meal after the RT was gut friendly I could eat the less friendly at other meals and maintain a decent balance.


I'll be conscious of this next time I look.  Cheers


(p.s. it gets confusing when there are too many Peters in a conversation, I recall you writing on a comment of mine, I thought you were having surgery)

Edited by member 30 Sep 2024 at 16:21  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 30 Sep 2024 at 16:30

Hi Peter. I did have surgery in 2021. This is now salvage RT to prostate bed and lymph nodes. I took a second opinion and the consultant confirmed that better to have a scatter gun approach at 0.2  rather than wait until something is big enough to appear on a scan. Will add it to my profile today. I think I wasn't clear........ the radiographer said to avoid large portions at mealtimes and avoid wholegrain, but not to cut out fibre altogether. I may just switch to corn flakes which has less than half the fibre content of the granola I have been eating. Or perhaps just chew the box. 


Peter 

User
Posted 30 Sep 2024 at 20:34

We were told not to change our diet unless/until we had any problems, but every hospitl has different advice. In practice, most people had to go onto a low fibre diet a week or two in to the treatment. Cornflakes are low fibre, and Crunchy Nut Cornflakes were even (fractionally) lower, so I ate Crunchy Nut Cornflakes all through my radiotherapy and for a time afterwards. Eventually, I got back on to All Bran.

User
Posted 30 Sep 2024 at 20:46

.... and definitely more tasty than the bog standard cornflakes. Thanks for the tip Andy. 


Peter

User
Posted 30 Sep 2024 at 21:14
I don't think there is a "right" answer to this one, it seems every hospital gives slightly different advice and of course it depends on what your normal breakfast (and diet generally) is anyway.

In my case I decided my normal high fibre fruit and muesli breakfast might have given them a challenge, and ate toast and marmalade for the duration. However the bread was whatever we had that day whether wholemeal or white and I didn't get complaints.

For main meals the advice I was given was to avoid too many green veg, I ate a lot of carrots that month.
User
Posted 03 Oct 2024 at 10:26

Hi Plexx.


One thing that I found helpful when I went through my RT was a book called 'The Atkin's Diet' - or something like that. This was popular a few years back as a weight loss diet. Basically, it involved cutting out carbohydrates and replacing them with proteins. Eggs and bacon for breakfast, grilled fish or chicken for lunch and steak for dinner, that kind of thing. Actually, it is a little more varied than that, but it does mostly avoid fart-inducing foodstuffs. As I recall, puddings were boring, consisting mostly of jelly. When my RT was over, I was thankful to get back to eating fruit and vegetables.


Hope this helps.

User
Posted 03 Oct 2024 at 10:32

Thanks Hieronymus. I'll look into that.


Peter

 
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