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Posted 03 Oct 2024 at 20:56

Friday 4th October 2024 - a date I'm sure I will never forget.

My profile gives the background to my case, but tomorrow, 4th October 2024 I will be having Nanoknife surgery to my prostate as a patient on the PA-RT trial.

This is my preferred choice of treatment taking in to account all tests, results, age, PSA and what I was looking to achieve, in order to give me the best quality of life.

Nanoknife, also known as irreversible electroporation (IRE), is a minimally invasive surgical procedure that uses needles to deliver electrical energy to target and destroy cancerous prostate tissue with precision, sparing nearby healthy structures. State of the art MRI software is used to precisely target cancerous tissues with NanoKnife. This treatment lowers the risk of losing erectile function or bladder control, whilst precisely destroying the tumour.

I will update this conversation with my progress in the next few days and I am happy to answer any questions, to the best of my knowledge.

Best,

Seb

Edited by member 13 Feb 2025 at 11:42  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 09 Oct 2024 at 16:07

Hi All,

I had (partial ablation) Nanoknife, (IRE) on Friday mid afternoon as a day case, (as a participant on the PA-RT Trial). I was kept overnight because my BP was up and they needed to get it under control. The procedure apparently went very well. I was on pain relief for a couple of days and now almost nothing.

The hardest bit, (as anyone knows who has experienced a catheter), is exactly that. Tomorrow can't come soon enough for it to be removed. 5 days, the longest of my life! Unfortunately, I seem to have a very sensitive bladder and initially I was having intense regular spasms. This is now under control due to 2 different medications, one in the morning and one in the evening.

Having a shower has become a military operation, connecting / disconnecting tubes, emptying bags etc. My TWOC (trial without catheter is tomorrow morning!) In the afternoon, I will be having my week 1 MRI. I've had a few teary days, but that's a combination of the anaesthetic leaving your body, mixed with a rollercoaster of emotions.

However, today is a good day! I took a picture to see what had gone on below deck. Very heavy bruising, scrotum almost black and that runs into my perineum and bottom. It looks worse than it is. I'm not in pain but it's uncomfortable to sit bolt upright, so I'm at a recline on the sofa, in between walking around regularly. Just waiting for a donut cushion to arrive to ease pressure when sitting on a chair, which I currently cannot do.

6 weeks post surgery, I will have a PSA and discuss all results of surgery, MRI and tests with my consultant.

After that, a PSA test will be done every 3 months for the first year and annually thereafter for 5 years minimum.

1 year post surgery, MRI scan further prostate biopsies and up to 3 years after that.

Barry, in answer to your question, there are clear plans in place, should the first treatment not be successful. I would have further Nanoknife (IRE) treatment if appropriate or it could be surgery, radiotherapy, hormone therapy or chemotherapy - depending on test results. Radical prostatectomy after partial ablation, (Nanoknife IRE / HIFU) or radiotherapy can be more difficult and could have worse outcomes than having radical prostatectomy as a first option.

If I can answer any further questions, I will do so to the best of my ability.

Best,

Seb

User
Posted 03 Oct 2024 at 20:56

Friday 4th October 2024 - a date I'm sure I will never forget.

My profile gives the background to my case, but tomorrow, 4th October 2024 I will be having Nanoknife surgery to my prostate as a patient on the PA-RT trial.

This is my preferred choice of treatment taking in to account all tests, results, age, PSA and what I was looking to achieve, in order to give me the best quality of life.

Nanoknife, also known as irreversible electroporation (IRE), is a minimally invasive surgical procedure that uses needles to deliver electrical energy to target and destroy cancerous prostate tissue with precision, sparing nearby healthy structures. State of the art MRI software is used to precisely target cancerous tissues with NanoKnife. This treatment lowers the risk of losing erectile function or bladder control, whilst precisely destroying the tumour.

I will update this conversation with my progress in the next few days and I am happy to answer any questions, to the best of my knowledge.

Best,

Seb

Edited by member 13 Feb 2025 at 11:42  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 03 Oct 2024 at 21:41

Good luck mate! 🤞

User
Posted 04 Oct 2024 at 11:00
Yes, please tell us how it went.

Best of luck

User
Posted 04 Oct 2024 at 11:16
I am not aware that with Nanoknife whether it is possible to have a second application should the first not do the job in the same way that it is sometimes possible where men have repeat HIFU. It would be interested to know what would follow if Nanoknife was unsuccessful. (Of course we all hope our primary treatment of whatever type does the job but in many cases is doesn't so it 's helpful to know what options there are where it doesen't work).
Barry
User
Posted 09 Oct 2024 at 16:40

Thanks for the update Seb. I hope you make a full and speedy recovery. Good luck mate.

User
Posted 29 Jan 2025 at 20:23
Hi John

I assume you know the focal therapy options available, depend on whereabouts your cancer is. HIFU wasn't an option for me due to the position of the tumour, so it could only be NanoKnife.

UPDATE:

2 weeks post op, my research nurse called. She'd left a multidisciplinary team meeting with my consultant plus others. He told her to ring me as the preliminary scans showed that surgery went even better than expected and it looked like the tumour had been destroyed and my consultant was very pleased. I still needed to have my PSA blood test which should show a drop and would hopefully be even more promising. Huge relief! Wasn’t expecting to hear anything until my follow up with him @ 6 weeks.

6 weeks post op - consultant hoping for a drop of 50% - before treatment PSA 3.3

I couldn't be happier - PSA is now 0.65. Absolutely thrilled.

Blood in my pee seemed to finally stop by week 9.

I still do daily pelvic floor exercises. I can't stress how important this is and has helped with controlling the sense of urgency to pee. This has greatly improved.

Erections are almost back to normal. This was a big worry for me initially, but my consultant said this would improve and it has considerably. I'd say I'm at 95% and some days 100%. At week 6 I was retrograde ejaculation but this also massively improved and I am more than happy.

Peeing at full strength again at 12 weeks post op. This took longer to return to normal than I would have imagined.

I definitely underestimated my recovery post surgery. It was a lot slower than I expected. I didn't drive for almost 3 weeks due to it being too uncomfortable. Best purchase was a Benazcap Donut Cushion to sit on - it was a game changer. I used it for 8 weeks.

My next follow up and PSA is in February and I will update further then. I am so pleased that I had NanoKnife and with my results to date.

If there is anything else I can help answer, please don't hesitate to ask or private message me. I wish you all the best.

Best regards,

Seb

User
Posted 30 Jan 2025 at 13:50

Hi Seb, I’m really pleased that the treatments has been so successful for you.  Thanks for posting your detailed update covering all the areas that are typically of concern to me and many others I’m sure.

So far I have met with the surgical team, have a phone appointment tomorrow with the Radiotherapy team and have recently sent my Scan and Biopsy details off to Prost8 so hope to hear from them in due course with my options for Focal Therapy.  I know there are choices and that size and location of tumors will dictate which might be best suited for me.

I shall ask the question during my appointment tomorrow if I have some time to make my decision on the treatment, having looked at my biopsy results it doesn’t appear to be too critical so a week or two to decide won’t, hopefully, make too much difference.

As a new member I can’t send PMs at the moment but will keep my progress updated.

I would also add that reading this and other posts has been very helpful in providing me with information that will enable me to make a decision I’m happy with so a general thanks to all of you who post.

Thanks again Seb and wishing you all the best for the future, regards, John

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User
Posted 03 Oct 2024 at 21:41

Good luck mate! 🤞

User
Posted 04 Oct 2024 at 11:00
Yes, please tell us how it went.

Best of luck

User
Posted 04 Oct 2024 at 11:16
I am not aware that with Nanoknife whether it is possible to have a second application should the first not do the job in the same way that it is sometimes possible where men have repeat HIFU. It would be interested to know what would follow if Nanoknife was unsuccessful. (Of course we all hope our primary treatment of whatever type does the job but in many cases is doesn't so it 's helpful to know what options there are where it doesen't work).
Barry
User
Posted 09 Oct 2024 at 16:07

Hi All,

I had (partial ablation) Nanoknife, (IRE) on Friday mid afternoon as a day case, (as a participant on the PA-RT Trial). I was kept overnight because my BP was up and they needed to get it under control. The procedure apparently went very well. I was on pain relief for a couple of days and now almost nothing.

The hardest bit, (as anyone knows who has experienced a catheter), is exactly that. Tomorrow can't come soon enough for it to be removed. 5 days, the longest of my life! Unfortunately, I seem to have a very sensitive bladder and initially I was having intense regular spasms. This is now under control due to 2 different medications, one in the morning and one in the evening.

Having a shower has become a military operation, connecting / disconnecting tubes, emptying bags etc. My TWOC (trial without catheter is tomorrow morning!) In the afternoon, I will be having my week 1 MRI. I've had a few teary days, but that's a combination of the anaesthetic leaving your body, mixed with a rollercoaster of emotions.

However, today is a good day! I took a picture to see what had gone on below deck. Very heavy bruising, scrotum almost black and that runs into my perineum and bottom. It looks worse than it is. I'm not in pain but it's uncomfortable to sit bolt upright, so I'm at a recline on the sofa, in between walking around regularly. Just waiting for a donut cushion to arrive to ease pressure when sitting on a chair, which I currently cannot do.

6 weeks post surgery, I will have a PSA and discuss all results of surgery, MRI and tests with my consultant.

After that, a PSA test will be done every 3 months for the first year and annually thereafter for 5 years minimum.

1 year post surgery, MRI scan further prostate biopsies and up to 3 years after that.

Barry, in answer to your question, there are clear plans in place, should the first treatment not be successful. I would have further Nanoknife (IRE) treatment if appropriate or it could be surgery, radiotherapy, hormone therapy or chemotherapy - depending on test results. Radical prostatectomy after partial ablation, (Nanoknife IRE / HIFU) or radiotherapy can be more difficult and could have worse outcomes than having radical prostatectomy as a first option.

If I can answer any further questions, I will do so to the best of my ability.

Best,

Seb

User
Posted 09 Oct 2024 at 16:40

Thanks for the update Seb. I hope you make a full and speedy recovery. Good luck mate.

User
Posted 23 Jan 2025 at 12:43

Hi Seb, I hope everything is going well for you, have you had your follow up meeting and tests and are you happy to share the results?

I’ve reached the stage where I need to make a decision about what treatment to have and am interested in Focal Therapy options so anything you’re happy to add would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks and all the best for your recovery, John

User
Posted 29 Jan 2025 at 20:23
Hi John

I assume you know the focal therapy options available, depend on whereabouts your cancer is. HIFU wasn't an option for me due to the position of the tumour, so it could only be NanoKnife.

UPDATE:

2 weeks post op, my research nurse called. She'd left a multidisciplinary team meeting with my consultant plus others. He told her to ring me as the preliminary scans showed that surgery went even better than expected and it looked like the tumour had been destroyed and my consultant was very pleased. I still needed to have my PSA blood test which should show a drop and would hopefully be even more promising. Huge relief! Wasn’t expecting to hear anything until my follow up with him @ 6 weeks.

6 weeks post op - consultant hoping for a drop of 50% - before treatment PSA 3.3

I couldn't be happier - PSA is now 0.65. Absolutely thrilled.

Blood in my pee seemed to finally stop by week 9.

I still do daily pelvic floor exercises. I can't stress how important this is and has helped with controlling the sense of urgency to pee. This has greatly improved.

Erections are almost back to normal. This was a big worry for me initially, but my consultant said this would improve and it has considerably. I'd say I'm at 95% and some days 100%. At week 6 I was retrograde ejaculation but this also massively improved and I am more than happy.

Peeing at full strength again at 12 weeks post op. This took longer to return to normal than I would have imagined.

I definitely underestimated my recovery post surgery. It was a lot slower than I expected. I didn't drive for almost 3 weeks due to it being too uncomfortable. Best purchase was a Benazcap Donut Cushion to sit on - it was a game changer. I used it for 8 weeks.

My next follow up and PSA is in February and I will update further then. I am so pleased that I had NanoKnife and with my results to date.

If there is anything else I can help answer, please don't hesitate to ask or private message me. I wish you all the best.

Best regards,

Seb

User
Posted 30 Jan 2025 at 13:50

Hi Seb, I’m really pleased that the treatments has been so successful for you.  Thanks for posting your detailed update covering all the areas that are typically of concern to me and many others I’m sure.

So far I have met with the surgical team, have a phone appointment tomorrow with the Radiotherapy team and have recently sent my Scan and Biopsy details off to Prost8 so hope to hear from them in due course with my options for Focal Therapy.  I know there are choices and that size and location of tumors will dictate which might be best suited for me.

I shall ask the question during my appointment tomorrow if I have some time to make my decision on the treatment, having looked at my biopsy results it doesn’t appear to be too critical so a week or two to decide won’t, hopefully, make too much difference.

As a new member I can’t send PMs at the moment but will keep my progress updated.

I would also add that reading this and other posts has been very helpful in providing me with information that will enable me to make a decision I’m happy with so a general thanks to all of you who post.

Thanks again Seb and wishing you all the best for the future, regards, John

User
Posted 30 Jan 2025 at 14:53

I had irreversible electroporation on the 3rd December, HIFU or Cryotherapy wasn't an option according to two urologists. I had a catheter for a week as the cancer was near the urethra.  Two week ago I had urine analysis and everything is ok. I stopped peeping blood three weeks ago still eyaculating blood ( very little as I have dry eyaculación) after the electroporation I had normal eyaculación but after two week dry ejaculation again ( which is a shame because no matter whatever the urologists say that has nothing to do orgasm it is much more pleasure to ejaculate something). At the end of February I'll have my PSA checked and hope is goes down from the last result which was 9'5. 

User
Posted 30 Jan 2025 at 15:20

Alfonso,

Everything sounds very positive from what you have said. Initially, I was having dry orgasms, with very little ejaculation, but this improved each week. At first it was concerning but I was expecting it. However, each week has improved and is still improving and almost back to normal. You are only just over 8 weeks post-op. Give it time and try not to stress about it as I am sure in time it will improve. I totally agree, it is much more pleasurable to ejaculate something than just having the feeling of an orgasm. Pelvic floor exercises are really important and should help if you are doing them daily. All the best with your PSA result and your recovery!

Best regards

Seb

Edited by member 30 Jan 2025 at 15:21  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 14 Feb 2025 at 15:14

Quick update:

Just had my 2nd PSA test post Nanoknife / IRE treatment and it has dropped to 0.567 which is brilliant. I'm sure it would have been slightly lower if I hadn't had this head cold which causes inflammation and can raise a PSA test.

Prior to treatment: 3.3
6 weeks post treatment: 0.650
3 months: 0.567 (with a common cold)

Very happy here.

Happy Valentine's to all and have a great weekend!

Best

Seb

Edited by member 14 Feb 2025 at 15:16  | Reason: Not specified

 
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