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Sir Chris Hoy and Prostate Cancer

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Posted 20 Oct 2024 at 08:22

Sir Chris Hoy reveals devastating health update on his cancer battle….

This is very sad news. He is, along with Andy Murray, one of my all time hero’s. An incredible sportsman and such a nice guy. I only hope like with Bill Turnbull that him going public about this may encourage other men to get tested.

I wish him all the best on his journey.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-13978969/Olympic-cycling-legend-Sir-Chris-Hoy-reveals-cancer-terminal-says-feels-lucky.html


Derek.

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Posted 20 Oct 2024 at 12:14
Well done Chris for announcing it. I’m guessing it’s Movember time of year so it’s in the spotlight at moment. I think the use of Terminal isn’t correct though. I’m guessing he’s just on HT for life like myself. I prefer to label it incurable. Terminal is more for when nothing is controlling it and you have a year max to live. Best wishes to him and all of you 🙏
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Posted 05 Nov 2024 at 17:50

I find it irritating however that government has now decided to reassess the availability of PSA testing in young men with a family history of PCa because of Sir Chris Hoy. Why does it take the terminal diagnosis of a celebrity to make this change? Many of us have being saying this for years and utterly ignored. 

Well done Sir Chris  for being so open about his diagnosis.

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Posted 20 Oct 2024 at 09:48

I feel his pain and it highlights even the fittest of us(and he was a super super fit guy)are not immune from this disease.

But will this help towards a national screening program?? We shall see 

User
Posted 20 Oct 2024 at 13:13

Yes I agree,I find terminal is a nasty word and commonly used,aren't we all terminal?we all die at some stage.

I hear off the media he has been given 2 to 4 years I don't believe that,it will be at least 6.

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Posted 20 Oct 2024 at 08:22

Sir Chris Hoy reveals devastating health update on his cancer battle….

This is very sad news. He is, along with Andy Murray, one of my all time hero’s. An incredible sportsman and such a nice guy. I only hope like with Bill Turnbull that him going public about this may encourage other men to get tested.

I wish him all the best on his journey.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-13978969/Olympic-cycling-legend-Sir-Chris-Hoy-reveals-cancer-terminal-says-feels-lucky.html


Derek.

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Posted 20 Oct 2024 at 22:11

The way I understood it there is a difference between incurable and terminal. Metastatic prostate cancer is generally incurable (although even that has been called into question in recent years, particularly as a result of improved scans) but modern treatments are so powerful that men can live for many many years with metastatic prostate cancer and still therefore end up dying of something else.

The outlook apparently depends not just on the degree of spread but even more so on the responsiveness of the cancer to hormone treatment and/or chemotherapy, and this seems to vary enormously across individuals. We don't know the details of Chris Hoy's situation. It is possible that he has misunderstood or that his doctor is not aware of how the general outlook for stage 4 prostate cancer differs from other cancers. But it is also possible that he is unfortunate enough to have a type of prostate cancer which is or has become hormone resistant and is not responding to chemotherapy. This may be be why they are being more pessimistic in his case. But either way of course, let's hope that he stays well for as long as possible.

 

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Posted 21 Oct 2024 at 07:35

There was someone from PCUK on BBC Breakfast this morning aroun 7.20 if anyone is interested.

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Posted 21 Oct 2024 at 09:23

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
Andy Ripley the Superstar Rugby Player who posted regularly on here  before his demise in 2010 was a tremendous ambassador for our Community

I didn't realise that Andy Ripley had died of our disease. In a BBC interview he'd said when asked:

WHAT IS YOUR MESSAGE TO OTHER PEOPLE WITH THE SAME CONDITION?

Everybody is different and they need to go their own way, their own route.

I would say to them not to give up their control - it is their cancer.

My life has been enhanced and since I had cancer, I have never loved so much or been loved so much.

Find out what you can about your cancer and make your choices.

Enjoy every day and remember life is wonderful and a thing of value.

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Posted 16 Nov 2024 at 07:08

I’ve just finished reading Chris Hoy’s book.    A courageous book and full of inspiration.  

 

Having only recently received this stage 4 diagnosis myself (with spread to the pelvis and lower spine) in August 2024 I have found reading this hugely beneficial - albeit a bit too close to home in parts.  

 

But having now finished the book I do wish he’d included a tiny bit more detail on the cancer prognosis and treatment itself.  No mention for example of Hormone Treatment or Gleason scores - just a load on chemo (which from a personal perspective he made out to be one of the worst things he’d ever done - I’m into chemo now and I’d take chemo over the Galibier or Alpe d’Huez any day!!). No one wants to appear over inquisitive and I’m not sure the mindset of how these cancer books operate - whether less information is better so to appeal to a wider market?  But the Lance Armstrong book on cancer from 2001 left nothing to the imagination.  I have spread to the lymph nodes, pelvis and spine. I’ve been told an average life expectancy of five years?  Why is Mr Hoy talking about a 2-4 year life expectancy?  This isn’t a criticism.  Please do read the book.  It’s just that as I progress in a period of 3 months from having zero knowledge on PC to now being at A-level stage (and soon probably to be at PhD level (!)) I’m soaking up as much information as I can.  And it’s only by reading about other people’s prognosis can you take a stab at one’s own.  

 

Keep up the good work Chris and I’ll try to be in Glasgow for the Tour ride!!

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Posted 24 Nov 2024 at 10:03

My husband was told he couldn’t have radiation as he has multiple spread but he had a large area on his right hip which was causing him a so much pain and affecting his mobility so last year the oncologist finally gave him it, it hasn’t solved all the problems but it certainly sorted his hip 

hope all is well 

Ann 

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Posted 20 Oct 2024 at 20:12

With prostate cancer not being a lifestyle cancer (i.e. not caused by being overweight, eating cured meats, smoking, alcohol, etc., or at least, the obvious lifestyle issues are not responsible for them), it does mean that a significant number of healthy men get it. I spent 3 days on a general cancer ward during my treatment. Sorry this is a bit crude, but for many of the patients, you could see why they might have ended up there, frequently popping out for a cigarette, or looked like they've been drinking heavily for years, or massively overweight, etc. The three prostate cancer patients were all quite fit, me a cyclist, also a tennis player and I forget what the third did, but something sporty too. Sometime afterwards, I mentioned this to one of the nurses, and she said I'm far from the only person to comment on that. She asked if there were any testicular cancer patients in there at the time, and I said not that I knew of. She said it's the same with them, usually very healthy, and often around age 25. That's the difference between lifestyle cancers and those which are not. She also pointed out that most of those others who I might have guessed were older than me probably were younger.

Of course, even for many lifestyle cancers, lifestyle is only a contributory factor in some of the cases, often less than half. You are still at risk even if you lead a perfect life. Having had prostate cancer doesn't make us immune from other cancers, although it does mean that if you had early bladder or possibly kidney cancer, those would have been picked up in the associated prostate scans.

Edited by member 20 Oct 2024 at 20:16  | Reason: Not specified

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Posted 21 Oct 2024 at 00:11

KS25 When you have exhausted all the hormone treatments and chemotherapy isn’t working and scans show your cancer has metastasised to at least six areas of your body. You don’t misunderstand. You ask “ how long” … in our case the answer in July was two years. My heart goes out to Chris and his family and to anyone facing this devestating news. 

 

 

Some days you just have to create your own sunshine...... 

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Posted 21 Oct 2024 at 08:20

I heard on the BBC that the government are seriously thinking of introducing national screening for PC in black men and men who have a family history,this is great news and the ball has to start moving somewhere but I had neither and I am stage 4 and so called terminal!! What about blokes like me!

 

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Posted 21 Oct 2024 at 08:27

Really sad news, sure Sir Chris will have positive mental attitude in abundance.

Remember when I got diagnosed . Andy Ripley the Superstar Rugby Player who posted regularly on here  before his demise in 2010 was a tremendous ambassador for our Community and I read all his updates some years later .

Towards the end though the posts from his daughter were a harrowing read  but she said her dad felt it was important to keep them going.

Really hope Sir Chris gets a few more years, he really deserves it 

Edited by member 21 Oct 2024 at 08:30  | Reason: Not specified

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Posted 21 Oct 2024 at 14:03
Interesting re cycling, my Dad was a keen cyclist all his life and PC killed him in just 3 years despite having curative intent radio therapy.

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Posted 21 Oct 2024 at 15:22

In my young days I was a very keen cyclist and many years letter I suffered from serious prostatitis. It made life difficult from my fifties until I was diagnosed with cancer in my early seventies. I have a hypothesis, totally without any scientific evidence, that prostatitis being an inflammation of the prostate,  a continuous inflammation/irritation of the gland for many years could cause cancer. I have a friend who cycled regularly 5/10 miles a year in his fifties and sixties until his diagnosis of prostate cancer. Of course anecdotal evidence is something one could build a hypothesis which would require a serious scientific study.

 'Physics is like sex: sure, it may give some practical results, but that’s not why we do it.'                    Richard Feynman (1918-1988) Nobel Prize laureate

 

 

User
Posted 21 Oct 2024 at 16:56

They do say don’t  cycle before a PSA test because it can give a higher reading. So as you say, it looks like constant irritation over the years could cause it. 

User
Posted 21 Oct 2024 at 18:49

Even if it were proved that cycling slightly increases the risk of prostate related disease, I think the exercise health benefits of the sport would outweigh that.

User
Posted 23 Oct 2024 at 08:47

The Incurables...... I'll get my cape and mask👍

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Posted 23 Oct 2024 at 16:55

My first post on this.  So here goes!  

 

The tragic Chris Hoy news merits comment from me as the circumstances are very close to home.  I got a metastatic prostrate cancer diagnosis in August 2024.  8 on the Gleason scale.  In my pelvis and lower spine.  Going through all the treatments and chemo starts in 2 weeks.  Oh joy!! The diagnosis was discovered in a roundabout way from a routine MRI scan from what I thought was a torn hip ligament.  I wish Chris all the best and he is an inspiration to us all.  It was reading the piece on Sunday about him that I actually realised - after 6 weeks living with the diagnosis - that this for me is for real.  That this PC does happen to people.  Perhaps I’d been in denial since August!  

 

But one thing bothers me and I wonder if I’m alone here?  I’ve been a keen cyclist all my life.  Last year I cycled for a second time solo from Los Angeles to the Atlantic Ocean.  I don’t fall into any PC risk group apart from my age - 57.  No PC in the family.  But the link with cycling seems all too real.  Is more  research needed perhaps??  Something doesn’t sit comfortably.

 

Talking of which as this cancer impacts my pelvic bone I expect my next message on this will be to ask about cycling saddles!  

 

To conclude I have to say what an amazing website this is.  So much information which I found so useful.  Thank you. 

 

Anthony 

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Posted 23 Oct 2024 at 18:03

Hi Anthony,

If you were like me you would be very nervous about your first post but what an excellent one it was😊

i know there are members on here who have bought Prostate Friendly saddles…if you search you should be able to find them.

I think you might be better speak to your Consultant about cycling.

Good luck with the rest of your treatment and keep us posted.

Derek

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Posted 05 Nov 2024 at 18:23

The full interview is on BBC this evening at 8pm. I think it will make interesting viewing.

User
Posted 05 Nov 2024 at 20:29

Wow! How emotional was that.

User
Posted 05 Nov 2024 at 20:31

OMG Adrian, it certainly was. Well worth watching.

Sir Chris Hoy….A True Legend!💪💪💪💪

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Posted 16 Nov 2024 at 08:08

Morning Tony.

I've read your other posts mate. I'm dreadfully sorry to see that your significant disease was also so unexpected. 

You've  said, being a keen cyclist yourself, that you'd been wondering if there is a link between cycling and the disease. I've only been on the forum for just over a year but there does seem to be a disportionately high number of cyclists amongst us. I've done a little online research and it appears that there have been studies on a possible link between cycling and PCa which have proved inconclusive although there is agreement that it exerts 'extra pressure' on the gland.

As for the book, I suppose it's been edited to be most sellable. His 2 to 4 year life expectancy does seem very pessimistic. Having said that, off the top of my head, I think poor old Bill Turnbull and Bob Willis didn't last much longer? I saw Sir Chris on another TV chat show, where if you'll excuse the pun, he was backpedaling abit about his prognosis. 

I supposes to increase sales, that they may have made it slightly more drastic than it is?  Autobiographies are often spiced up, and unlike most, for those involving prostate cancer, it would be difficult to use sex as a titillating factor. 😁

Anyway, Tony, welcome to the forum mate. I hope you have many more years ahead of you.

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Posted 24 Nov 2024 at 05:21

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
It is definitely a must read for those of us in the stage 4 club though and I mean this as a compliment, it was like a love letter to his wife, children, family and friends. Spoiler alert, he is very positive about being stage 4 and I found this uplifting.

 There are several Stage 4ers on here that have my utmost respect. Many candidly share the effect the disease has had on them and their loved ones. Their unedited diaries, tell it exactly as it.  I doff my cap to them all.👍

Edited by member 24 Nov 2024 at 10:50  | Reason: Additional text

User
Posted 24 Nov 2024 at 16:29

Hi Chris 

I truly hope you find the pot of gold. It was 4 years ago when I was turned down by the NHS and private hospital. Good luck.

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Posted 20 Oct 2024 at 08:45

Terrible news. Poor bloke.☹️

My heart goes out to his young children, especially as their mum has MS.

Edited by member 20 Oct 2024 at 08:49  | Reason: Additional text

User
Posted 20 Oct 2024 at 09:48

I feel his pain and it highlights even the fittest of us(and he was a super super fit guy)are not immune from this disease.

But will this help towards a national screening program?? We shall see 

User
Posted 20 Oct 2024 at 12:02

Again a relatively young person. I hope this will make the government policy makers wake up that a screening program is required. It's such a shame that it takes the terminal diagnosis of celebrity to generate this kind of debate. Since we seem to have a knee jerk government in office you wonder if something might finally happen.

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Posted 20 Oct 2024 at 12:14
Well done Chris for announcing it. I’m guessing it’s Movember time of year so it’s in the spotlight at moment. I think the use of Terminal isn’t correct though. I’m guessing he’s just on HT for life like myself. I prefer to label it incurable. Terminal is more for when nothing is controlling it and you have a year max to live. Best wishes to him and all of you 🙏
User
Posted 20 Oct 2024 at 13:13

Yes I agree,I find terminal is a nasty word and commonly used,aren't we all terminal?we all die at some stage.

I hear off the media he has been given 2 to 4 years I don't believe that,it will be at least 6.

User
Posted 20 Oct 2024 at 13:38

There are plenty of examples of people who hold out a lot longer with stage 4. Let’s hope Chris can be one of them, along with as many of us as possible. We all have our particular difficulties,  but kids the age of his plus his wife’s MS diagnosis make his diagnosis a particularly tough one. It sounds like he is in a good place mentally though. Wishing everyone a lovely wet (at least is Wimbledon) Sunday, it will be an afternoon in front of the TV for me. Gloucester v Leicester in the rugby followed by Liverpool Chelsea. 

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Posted 20 Oct 2024 at 13:47
It is most probably just a coincidence but many men on this forum over the years have mentioned that they were keen cylists if not professionals like the Sir Chris Hoy and I wonder if any statical research has been done on this?

Undoubtedly a screening programme would lead to more men being treated earlier but the point should be made that men need to be proactive not just thinking they only need to consider PCa when they experience symptoms, as many men do not experience symptoms at an earlier stage where treatment can be more effective.

Barry
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Posted 20 Oct 2024 at 20:12

With prostate cancer not being a lifestyle cancer (i.e. not caused by being overweight, eating cured meats, smoking, alcohol, etc., or at least, the obvious lifestyle issues are not responsible for them), it does mean that a significant number of healthy men get it. I spent 3 days on a general cancer ward during my treatment. Sorry this is a bit crude, but for many of the patients, you could see why they might have ended up there, frequently popping out for a cigarette, or looked like they've been drinking heavily for years, or massively overweight, etc. The three prostate cancer patients were all quite fit, me a cyclist, also a tennis player and I forget what the third did, but something sporty too. Sometime afterwards, I mentioned this to one of the nurses, and she said I'm far from the only person to comment on that. She asked if there were any testicular cancer patients in there at the time, and I said not that I knew of. She said it's the same with them, usually very healthy, and often around age 25. That's the difference between lifestyle cancers and those which are not. She also pointed out that most of those others who I might have guessed were older than me probably were younger.

Of course, even for many lifestyle cancers, lifestyle is only a contributory factor in some of the cases, often less than half. You are still at risk even if you lead a perfect life. Having had prostate cancer doesn't make us immune from other cancers, although it does mean that if you had early bladder or possibly kidney cancer, those would have been picked up in the associated prostate scans.

Edited by member 20 Oct 2024 at 20:16  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 20 Oct 2024 at 20:31

Very sad news. Too many men diagnosed incidentally after going to the doctor about something else. Me included and many more on this forum I’m sure.

I hope his positive attitude helps him through and that he outlives his prognosis.
Good for him raising awareness too.

 

Ido4

User
Posted 20 Oct 2024 at 21:12

I agree, in that case I have been terminal for well over 5 years, I suspect he will have way more than 4 years and he is super fit.

User
Posted 20 Oct 2024 at 22:11

The way I understood it there is a difference between incurable and terminal. Metastatic prostate cancer is generally incurable (although even that has been called into question in recent years, particularly as a result of improved scans) but modern treatments are so powerful that men can live for many many years with metastatic prostate cancer and still therefore end up dying of something else.

The outlook apparently depends not just on the degree of spread but even more so on the responsiveness of the cancer to hormone treatment and/or chemotherapy, and this seems to vary enormously across individuals. We don't know the details of Chris Hoy's situation. It is possible that he has misunderstood or that his doctor is not aware of how the general outlook for stage 4 prostate cancer differs from other cancers. But it is also possible that he is unfortunate enough to have a type of prostate cancer which is or has become hormone resistant and is not responding to chemotherapy. This may be be why they are being more pessimistic in his case. But either way of course, let's hope that he stays well for as long as possible.

 

User
Posted 20 Oct 2024 at 22:35

I’m really, really saddened by this news. It is so scary to know that PCa can develop to such a life threatening extent without exhibiting any symptoms.
My thoughts and best wishes go out to Chris and his family.

User
Posted 21 Oct 2024 at 00:11

KS25 When you have exhausted all the hormone treatments and chemotherapy isn’t working and scans show your cancer has metastasised to at least six areas of your body. You don’t misunderstand. You ask “ how long” … in our case the answer in July was two years. My heart goes out to Chris and his family and to anyone facing this devestating news. 

 

 

Some days you just have to create your own sunshine...... 

User
Posted 21 Oct 2024 at 07:35

There was someone from PCUK on BBC Breakfast this morning aroun 7.20 if anyone is interested.

User
Posted 21 Oct 2024 at 08:20

I heard on the BBC that the government are seriously thinking of introducing national screening for PC in black men and men who have a family history,this is great news and the ball has to start moving somewhere but I had neither and I am stage 4 and so called terminal!! What about blokes like me!

 

User
Posted 21 Oct 2024 at 08:27

Really sad news, sure Sir Chris will have positive mental attitude in abundance.

Remember when I got diagnosed . Andy Ripley the Superstar Rugby Player who posted regularly on here  before his demise in 2010 was a tremendous ambassador for our Community and I read all his updates some years later .

Towards the end though the posts from his daughter were a harrowing read  but she said her dad felt it was important to keep them going.

Really hope Sir Chris gets a few more years, he really deserves it 

Edited by member 21 Oct 2024 at 08:30  | Reason: Not specified

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Posted 21 Oct 2024 at 09:23

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
Andy Ripley the Superstar Rugby Player who posted regularly on here  before his demise in 2010 was a tremendous ambassador for our Community

I didn't realise that Andy Ripley had died of our disease. In a BBC interview he'd said when asked:

WHAT IS YOUR MESSAGE TO OTHER PEOPLE WITH THE SAME CONDITION?

Everybody is different and they need to go their own way, their own route.

I would say to them not to give up their control - it is their cancer.

My life has been enhanced and since I had cancer, I have never loved so much or been loved so much.

Find out what you can about your cancer and make your choices.

Enjoy every day and remember life is wonderful and a thing of value.

User
Posted 21 Oct 2024 at 14:03
Interesting re cycling, my Dad was a keen cyclist all his life and PC killed him in just 3 years despite having curative intent radio therapy.

User
Posted 21 Oct 2024 at 15:22

In my young days I was a very keen cyclist and many years letter I suffered from serious prostatitis. It made life difficult from my fifties until I was diagnosed with cancer in my early seventies. I have a hypothesis, totally without any scientific evidence, that prostatitis being an inflammation of the prostate,  a continuous inflammation/irritation of the gland for many years could cause cancer. I have a friend who cycled regularly 5/10 miles a year in his fifties and sixties until his diagnosis of prostate cancer. Of course anecdotal evidence is something one could build a hypothesis which would require a serious scientific study.

 'Physics is like sex: sure, it may give some practical results, but that’s not why we do it.'                    Richard Feynman (1918-1988) Nobel Prize laureate

 

 

 
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