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User
Posted 23 Oct 2024 at 17:26

Hi all

 

Apologies if ive picked wrong topic from drop down.

Just after others experience please.

PSA of 55 in November last year led to normal biopsy,  template biopsies( positive)  and pet and mri scans.

Radical robotic removal including lymph nodes in July.

First meeting with consultant after opp yesterday and psa 0.04 which is great but i sensed there was a but coming.

Said cancer was very aggressive  and high levels in 2 of removed lymph nodes, 

Implied may now need hormone and radio just to make sure and has referered me to oncologist, another psa at the start of Jan before next consultant meeting.

Has anyone else had similar?

Brain is spinning again on decision to make, continence is good and still have some feeling so dont want to mess that up with radio and hormone if can help it.

Is 3 monthly psa the way to go and then deal with if it rises???

 

Thanks for any response.

 

 

User
Posted 23 Oct 2024 at 18:08

Hi Scotty,

I don’t know what your staging was but with a PSA of 55 and Gleason 9 I would have thought it quite likely that you would need SRT. Was this explained to you when you opted for surgery?

I think they would want to blast it ASAP, although I’m not medically trained. There are many on here who have been through SRT who are better able to answer this.

all the best,

Derek

User
Posted 23 Oct 2024 at 18:16
Hi Derek

Thanks for the reply.

It was mentioned that it may be a possibility but not a certainty.

The consultant said it may be a good idea (just in case) because was aggressive but at not point said "I strongly advise that you have salvage", straight away.

Im just struggling with, do I wait and see?

Or do I have salvage when he may have removed all, and may have not spread.

The never ending decision making and waiting continues.

All the best.

User
Posted 24 Oct 2024 at 09:37

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

First meeting with consultant after opp yesterday and psa 0.04 which is great but i sensed there was a but coming.

Hello mate.

I'm sorry that you've had to join the Club, especially at only 52 years, but welcome to the forum.

It would help if you could give us your pre op and post op cancer staging. Your PSA was high and if you have Gleason 9 was it (4+5) or (5+4) ? These factors, plus spread to a couple of lymph nodes, unfortunately increase the risk of recurrence.

However, your post op PSA check of 0.04 is very good. Do you know if there was a less than < infront of the reading? It is possible that 0.04 is the lowest level that your lab measures to.

I had surgery 20 months ago. I was Gleason 9 (4+5) The cancer had breached the capsule but there didn't appear to be any further spread. I've been on 3 monthly PSA checks which have come back <0.02 meaning my PSA is undetectable. 

It seems due to your higher risk of recurrence, that you've been given an early oncology consultation. All you can do mate, is wait for the next PSA check and see what the oncologist makes of it. It maybe that they'll recommend further more precise scans or additional treatments.

I wish you luck and hope that your next post op PSA result is as good. 

Edited by member 24 Oct 2024 at 09:40  | Reason: Typo

User
Posted 24 Oct 2024 at 10:47

Hi Scotty

My husband had RP in June 

His pathology was T2c Gleeson 4+5

Pre op PSA5.6 

Post Op PSA >0.01

His consultant has said just 3 monthly PSAs until and if a rising PSA 

I had done some research prior to the meeting to see what was likely to be the next step and came across Dr Scholtz in the US he does talk about hitting high Gleesons with locally advanced (which I think you are with the lymph node spread) hard early on to give the best outcomes. I’m not medical and it’s not advice but it may be worth you having a look at what he says and see how you feel about it when you’ve done a bit of digging! 

As far as my husband was concerned he was going to ask for early intervention should his pathology of been higher than T2c 

I hope you get some more replies that can give you a bit more of an in-depth knowledge. 

All the best 

 

 

User
Posted 24 Oct 2024 at 15:42

Thank you for the response M

All the best

 

Scott

User
Posted 24 Oct 2024 at 15:52
Hi Scotty,

Welcome to the team!!!!

Seems i'm just a couple of month behind you as had surgery on 1st October and have follow up consultation on 5th November.

The surgeon has not said to me that I will need SRT but the little hints he has given regarding the size of the tumour and the fact he took out (I think he said 9 lymph nodes) I fully expecting further treatment.

PSA was 4.1 pre-op and biopsy returned a Gleason score of 8 4+4.

Continence is quite frankly driving me nuts at the moment but I keep reminding myself that catheter only came out 10 days ago.

Good luck mate

Dave

User
Posted 24 Oct 2024 at 15:55

Hi Mate

 

Thanks for the reply

Ive not been given a staging figure post opp and all I can find for pre opp is note that says grade 5 

I think ill take your advise, see oncologist and poss wait for next psa result in January and go from there.

 

All the best

User
Posted 24 Oct 2024 at 17:14

Thanks Dave

Think I should have expected further treatment based on my pre opp results, think I had 16 nodes removed in the end with 2 full of disease, my continence returned to near normal so try and stay patient mate.

All the more reason I'm worried about salvage as I hear that can mess it up again, hope that's wrong.

I suppose its talk to oncologist and go from there?

All the best in your recovery Mate.

User
Posted 24 Oct 2024 at 17:42

Hi Scotty,

Not sure about SRT but for me RT was a breeze, only very short term side effects. HT on the other hand?😩
My advice would be don’t stay on HT any longer than absolutely necessary…although remember some men don’t really have many side effects!

Good luck!

Derek

User
Posted 25 Oct 2024 at 17:07

Thanks Derek

You too.

 

Was just saying to wife, only 3 months since opp and seems like a lifetime/ seems like every result and event makes you more anxious and triggers upset??

 

Trying to snap myself out of it.

All the best mate

User
Posted 25 Oct 2024 at 17:15

Hi Adrian

 

Im just looking on feed and was sure I had replied to you but now cant see it.

 

If I didnt, thanks so much for you're response as yes think see oncologist and see, is the way to go thank you.

User
Posted 25 Oct 2024 at 20:17

Scotty,

I am a little surprised they were not more open about a very high possibility of adjuvant Radiation Treatment (ART) which includes hormones as soon as healing from surgery in your case. You mentioned the PET which typically would show if your nodes were involved. That and with the aggressive high Gleason 9 I believe standard  protocol is ART. That being said I understand the hesitance. My Gleason was 8, and Gleason 8 ‘s protocol for considered aggressive is also that and with a high intermediate decipher score they told me it was a strong possibility. Fortunately, although the cancer had focally left the capsule, I was able to have negative margins and post pathology lowered my Gleason to unfavorable 7 which left me open if my post PSA was low to go on the PSA monitoring which it was <.4. This now further down if my PSA rises would then need SRT(Salvage Radiation Treatment). I am 71 and can look at and treat in a different manner than someone in their early 50’s. Having gotten to the lymph nodes it may likely need the more aggressive additional treatment. You can read about many people on this site much older now than when they were diagnosed 15 years ago and had radiation treatments and are going strong. I would research the various hormones as their are different ones and agree with Derek and try to keep to a shorter duration if possible.

User
Posted 25 Oct 2024 at 20:47

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
Fortunately, although the cancer had focally left the capsule, I was able to have negative margins and post pathology lowered my Gleason to unfavorable 7 which left me open if my post PSA was low to go on the PSA monitoring which it was <.4. This now further down if my PSA rises would then need SRT(Salvage Radiation Treatment).

Ned. I believe your post op PSA was <.04, not <.4 . Scot's first post op was also only .04. He has not yet stated  whether there was a < in front of it or not.

As I've said I was Gleason 9 (4+5) with EPE a and informed that due to the high Gleason score and capsular breach that my chances of recurrence were increased. If my PSA levels increase to 0.2 indicating BCR, then further treatment would be considered. Unfortunately Scott's two positive lymph nodes will further increase the risk of needing further treatment.

 

 

Edited by member 25 Oct 2024 at 22:31  | Reason: Additional text

User
Posted 25 Oct 2024 at 21:08

Definitely was <.04. That is why second and even third opinions are valuable. So many different opinions from different oncologists 

 
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