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low psa, normal dre, bone pain in hips and coccyx

User
Posted 10 Jan 2025 at 00:32

Hi

 

im new here and a little worried. 

ive had annual psa tests along with my normal mot test since i was 50, im 54 now and each year its always been 0.5 which my gp said was low. Ive also had a couple of dre tests, one a few years ago and one around 6 months ago. Both normal. Not had any problems with urination or ejeculation although i have low testosterone and some times ED. 

However, Last summer i noticed i was getting bone pain around my coccyx area and found i was getting hip pain when walking and laying on my sides, both sides. Sitting on a hard surface is quite painful.  Its a very dull ache but definitely worse when laying down where i struggle to find comfort.  It aches enough to keep me awake most nights. 

With the hip pain, my GP ordered the psa, did a dre which he said was normal and did a faecal tests to ensure it wasnt colon related. This was normal. 

 

i wasnt initially worried as my psa is low and hasnt changed but i stupidly went on the internet and found that high grade prostate cancer can have low psa and hip pain can be one of the first symptoms to show up.

 

does this sound familiar to any of you? Would a prostate cancer large enough to spread to my hips be large enough to be felt on a dre? 

thanks for reading

 

User
Posted 10 Jan 2025 at 11:20

Hi Paul.

Welcome to the forum. Hopefully, you'll not have to be here long.

Your very low PSA and normal DRE suggest that you have no prostate conditions including PCa

Your bone pains are most likely caused by another unrelated condition, something like arthritis, which I suffer from causing pains in my lower back, hips and legs.

Best of luck mate.👍

Edited by member 10 Jan 2025 at 12:11  | Reason: typo

User
Posted 10 Jan 2025 at 17:43

Thanks for replying.

I hope you are right 

there are some instances, though rare, something like 1-2%,  where an aggressive variant doesn't show on a psa test. I also worry the dre was conducted by a standard GP and not a urologist who probably does dre 15x per day. Maybe he missed something. 

 

Something is definitely wrong in my pelvic region. Strangely my coccyx doesnt hurt at all when im stood up and not sitting on it and  my hips only hurt when im laid sidewards on them. Its like pressure has to be there on the bone. its now been here over 6 months. 


Thanks

 

User
Posted 10 Jan 2025 at 17:46

with low testosterone you get accompanying  low estrogen bc mens testosterone  makes their  estrogen too

So I am guessing your bone pain is due to estrogen deficiency resulting in arthritis

 

 

Edited by member 10 Jan 2025 at 19:37  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 10 Jan 2025 at 21:42

Hi

thanks for replying

i hope it is arthritis as that is a better outcome that this. I don’t know how low my testosterone is or how long it’s been low but they had mentioned starting me on testogel replacement therapy. I need to find out if it’s prostate cancer before I go near that stuff. 

can you get arthritis in the coccyx? It hurts so much when I press it. 
I am surprised how much it sticks out and easily felt it is. It literally just hangs there. I’m not surprised many people break theirs. 

the reason I seem to be fixated with this is that it definitely feels something is going on around my coccyx and back passage when I’m sat down. I have a fullness in my rectum which makes me think there is a problem with my prostate.

Thanks

 

 

 

Edited by member 10 Jan 2025 at 21:48  | Reason: Spelling

User
Posted 10 Jan 2025 at 23:45

As others have said, it is unlikely to be prostate cancer. Yes 1% don't produce PSA, but if the cancer was so advanced it had spread to your hips, it would show up on a DRE even if done by an amateur (which would be uncommon). Your problems need investigating, and it would be nice if when you find the cause you let us know as it may help the next person in your situation.

Dave

User
Posted 11 Jan 2025 at 01:19

Hi again Paul.

Funnily enough since you started this thread, my lower back has been really playing up. Which is why I'm awake and posting on here at this unearthly time in the morning. 🙂

None of us are medically trained but we do have pretty good knowledge on prostate cancer and the chances of your symptoms being advanced PCa are remote.

I found an NHS link on coccyx problems, may be this will help.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/tailbone-coccyx-pain/

I hope that you get the problem sorted. 👍

User
Posted 11 Jan 2025 at 02:26

Thank you

Yes im struggling to sleep too. A mixture of worry and pain keeping me up.

Im clinging to the hope that if prostate cancer was advanced enough to cause this many bone mets that surely the gp would have felt something in the dre. I was definitely getting pains in hips pelvis and coccsyx back in september when he did the dre so if it was mets i would hope the prostate would not feel smooth as he said it was. How much of the prostate is actually felt during the dre? He was very quick. 

There just seems to be so many bones affected that it has to something serious rather than just bruising my coccyx as my hips and back pelvis are also painful when sat on or used.

When i actually think back im pretty sure i  had hip pain on and off well over 18 months to a lesser degree. Would a very agressive prostate cancer be manifesting much further that just bone Mets? Ive read small cell prostate cancer life expectancy is measured in months not years. 

The fullness feeling in my rectum is quite new, i dont think ive felt that certainly not when i visited the gp in September. Does cancer in the prostate area present itself with pains in the rectum region. 


Thanks.

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User
Posted 13 Jan 2025 at 19:17
Hi

I have an appointment with my GP in the morning. How should i approach this to best ensure i get taken seriously. I will ask for another dre tomorrow as a starter. If the GP is still adamant he cant feel anything how do i get an mri?

Will i need to see a urologist first or can my gp order one? Im not sure how this works.

As a last resort, I am in the westfield health scheme so can claim back any consultation fees but i have to get a referral from my GP to see one. I believe if i get my GP to refer me i can get a consultation who can then get me an mri. I am assuming its a urologist i need to see?

Thanks

User
Posted 13 Jan 2025 at 23:14

I don't think a GP in the UK can request an MRI, so you need a consultant. Now what kind of consultant you need depends on what disease you have. Your GP is probably better at guessing your disease than you are. I think with pains in your bones it is more likely a rheumatologist can help you than a urologist. If the rheumatologist finds the disease in the bones is consistent with cancer he will refer you to an oncologist, or a urologist if he thinks the cancer is prostate cancer.

Definitely make it known to the GP that you have private medical insurance. I don't know how doctors are paid in this country, but I bet they don't get a bonus for referring to NHS consultants. 

Dave

User
Posted 15 Jan 2025 at 06:18
Ok so saw a GP today. A different one at my GP surgery as its a large practice and we see whoever is available. He did a DRE and stated he couldnt feel anything unusual so his hands were tied in forwarding thiese pains down a prostate route. So he is organising physio on my pelvic pains to see if that helps.

Obviously i believe there is something else going on so i am going down the private consultant route to have an mri or bone scan on my pelvis and lower back. I’ll update once i have the scans. Thank you to whoever read and commented.

User
Posted 18 Feb 2025 at 02:42

Hi there , any updates on your journey? Our stories are very similar. Leg and pelvic pain, low psa 0.5 year on year. Do have some urine problems and a Family history of PCA. Had MRI privately and nothing requiring further testing according to dr. At a loss on what release to do or try test wise, obviously very positive nothing had been found but leaves me worrying if something still could be missed. Hoping to find others who can offer advice

User
Posted 18 Feb 2025 at 07:57

Hi you mentioned in an earlier post in this thread that you were offered testosterone gel - did you not want to take up this offer ? Low testosterone is linked to prostate cancer so exogenous testosterone could potentially prevent prostate cancer  also low testosterone will result in lower estrogen and arthritis for those who are prone to arthritis. Have you had your testosterone levels tested ?

 

Edited by member 18 Feb 2025 at 08:18  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 29 Apr 2025 at 19:15

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

Hi you mentioned in an earlier post in this thread that you were offered testosterone gel - did you not want to take up this offer ? Low testosterone is linked to prostate cancer so exogenous testosterone could potentially prevent prostate cancer  also low testosterone will result in lower estrogen and arthritis for those who are prone to arthritis. Have you had your testosterone levels tested ?

 

 

Hi

looking back at my results they range from 7 to 9 over the past 5 years. Only 1 test result managed to get to 10.1 three years ago. I think minimum is 10. 

the urologist who offered me testogel way back in 2021 stated my psa may rise on it so thats why i stated i didnt want to try it until i had a diagnosis. I didnt realise low “t.” could actually cause pc. 

Thanks

User
Posted 29 Apr 2025 at 20:34

Hi

Quick update. I had an mri today. Unfortunately it wasnt for my prostate, it was via the nhs and was to check lumber pelvis sacrum and tailbone. It was the only one i could get on the nhs as they wont give me a prostate mri due to normal psa and normal dre. As its the nhs it will be 2 to 6 weeks before i get the results. I plan on paying private for the prostate specific mri.

My tailbone still hurts and its now been 9 months since i first felt it. I dont know if im imagining it but the tip feels thicker. Its got a type of ball shape on the end thats well over a cm wide. When i look online that seems to be thicker than the norm. It still aches when i sit or lay down. No worse.

Im still getting the fullness in my rectum but only when im laid or sat down. It hasnt got any worse but no better. Im also still getting the hip and pelvis pain. Still cant get comfy when sleeping on my side.

I havent developed any new prostate symptoms, no problems peeing or ejaculating. No bowel issues either. I still have slight erectile dysfunction but ive had that over 5 years so nothing new. Like i said the fullness feeling in the rectum like im sat on a little ball is still there. 

Things hadnt really changed in the 3 months from my last message . However, i have since developed 2 more bone pains in the last month. One is in my left humerus arm bone just above my bicep. This is a very strange pain in that i sometimes get a pain even when im not moving it. Its very painful in bed and they is absolutely no way i can lay on that side. This is the most worrying pain as it hurts without any movement and is very painful when i lay on it.

Ive also developed another bone pain in the top of the left ulna bone just in the bony bit just before the elbow joint. The ulna bone doesnt hurt until i use my arm in a certain way. Its also quite painful when i push the bone on that specific point.

From reading the internet, pc mets to bone can appear in any bone but the arm bones seem to get affected less than spine pelvis hips so those would be more unusual mets i guess. My 3 main bone pains, the long bone near shoulder, the left ulna bone near elbow and the coccyx. 

If i do have the neuroendocrine highly aggressive nepc that doesnt show on psa ive read survival can be less than a year, but other than the 2 new bone pains mine hasnt got any worse in 9 months. Should i look at that as a good sign as im sure i would be much worse after at least 9 months of mets. That Humerus pain is worrying though, thats definitely a different pain to any of the others in that it hurts without movement or pressure. 

also, what can actually be seen on mri of the lumbar, pelvis, sacrum and coccyx. Would a dexa bone scan have showed more. 

Thanks

 

Edited by member 29 Apr 2025 at 21:32  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 29 Apr 2025 at 23:01

Starting the investigation from the known symptoms is the best idea. It will hopefully lead back to the cause, rather than guessing at the cause and then trying to make the symptoms fit.

Dave

User
Posted 30 Apr 2025 at 05:06

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

Starting the investigation from the known symptoms is the best idea. It will hopefully lead back to the cause, rather than guessing at the cause and then trying to make the symptoms fit.

 

yes i agree,  

 

this symptom below started my investigation.

the strange fullness and pressure felt up inside my rectal area felt when laid or sat down. It feels like im sat on a ball.  Ive now Had for at least 9 months that i can recall. Still have it but no more painful and still not showing on last dre. 

 

Pain in my lower back, hips and pelvis for 18 months

 

Pain in my tailbone that i can actually touch and hurts to press for 9 months. 

 

2 new bone pains in the shoulder and ulna  that hurt even when im not using the arm and is the most painful of all the bone pains.  Quite worrisome. 

 

 

Now with my psa being low and stable for-at least 4 years along with all the bone pains my investigation leads me to believe that if it is metastatic pc it must be an aggressive neuroendocrine prostate cancer .  Unlucky if its this as its only 1% of new cases per year


my thoughts:-

 

de novo neuroendocrine is rare,  1% of new cases so 500 in uk per year. Also average age at incidence is usually higher at 68 average(im 54). A large study i read lowest was 59 years old. 

I would have thought however that due to the agressiveness of nepc i would be in a worse condition than i currently am. Other than this new bone pain in my left shoulder there has been little to no progression in the last 6 months that i know of.
I would jave thought a very agressive pc would now show on a dre. 

im praying im wrong here but these bone pains arent going away and new ones starting. 

 

 

Edited by member 30 Apr 2025 at 05:33  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 02 May 2025 at 04:35
Hi

Due to my coccyx pain i managed to get an nhs mri of my lumber, sacrum coccyx and i would think pelvis down past the tailbone level. It was without contrast.

Just had a call to arrange a face to face. The receptionist said “no concern” was written on the form from the mri so i am booked in to chat with the consultant in a months time.

Apart from the bone pain in my shoulder, the pelvic area is where im getting all the bone pain.

Does the fact that shes not getting oncology/urolgy involved and no urgency for a face to face mean my bones are not showing mets or is an mri (without contrast) not a good scan to see it? Im assuming the fact she wants ta face to face discussion (rather than a quick call) means they've seen something fairly routine but not urgent.

Due to my normal psa and dre i cant get the nhs to do any sort of scan on the prostate. Im not showing any red flags in their eyes.

Looking a private mri on prostate i can see one for £745 including before and after consultation. Is this expensive for an mri?

 
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