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Jan 9th 2025 diagnosis

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Posted 15 Jan 2025 at 06:48

Happy new year is the greeting of choice in January. I got " You have cancer" as my greeting for this year.

Long story short, I was diagnosed as having BRCA1 in 2022 or early 2023. So needed to be monitored for prostate cancer. 1st PSA 18months or so ago was high 5.9 so MRI. This showed nothing of concern.

Since then PSA hovering around 5.9. In November this went to 7.21 and then all hell broke loose. MRI showed area of concern and biopsies (6 cores). Gives me a gleason score of 3+4. It's contained within my prostate in the left side.

I've got leaflets in a red folder thrust into my arms. Tears in my eyes as I told the kids the news. My wife is a rock and is so supportive. 

I've got treatment options in my red folder but will not need to make a choice until I meet with the surgery team or oncologist in a few weeks time.

What to do, what to ask, it's all a bit of a minefield and scaring the bejezuz out of me.

I work mainly from home and travel to office monthly by train to York (1.5 hours). 

My job is not physical in any real way, however I am self employed and 57yrs old. 

Do I commit to surgery?  I've read a few horror stories. I've also had uplifting stories. 

Do I commit to radiotherapy. My brother in law had a nightmare with the hormone therapy.

AS could be in place but does BRCA1 get in the way of that?

I'm overweight, not as fit as I should be and blood pressure is slightly raised but not needing medication I am active and do get out for long walks when I can. I guess that shifting some weight, getting fit would help me recover from any treatments so this is a priority whilst waiting for the next steps

What to do for the best is so difficult to decide

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Posted 15 Jan 2025 at 08:58

Welcome aboard mate. You've clearly got a cracking sense of humour looking at the name you have used, so that will help you!

It's a difficult choice that we all have to make, and there is no right answer. Everybody is different.

I can only offer advice based on my own situation. I tried AS for a while but it didn't work for me. I suppose it put off having treatment for a few months, so in a way it wasn't all bad, but unfortunately my disease progressed to T3a and I had to have it dealt with.

I chose surgery, as I wanted the best chance of being rid of the tumours. You'll maybe see some horror stories on here, but there are also plenty of success stories. The surgery itself is a doddle. Bit sore for a few days, and no lifting, bending etc etc, but to be honest it was nowhere near as bad as expected. The side effects are a pain, but then they are much better than the alternative.

Ask lots of questions on here before you go for your meeting. Get advice from people who have had all forms of treatment (they are a great bunch on here, so plenty will be offered) and don't feel pressured into making a decision until you are ready.

Good luck with whatever you decide mate, and keep us posted.

Ian.

User
Posted 15 Jan 2025 at 09:48
I'm with Ian - I chose surgery as it felt that to remove it meant it was gone and should any rogue cells be left, I could still get other treatments in the future such as radiotherapy. In my mind two chances of treatment were better to me than one should I have chosen radiotherapy first.

Incontinence is a pain - I'm still not entirely dry 18 months on but can live with it.

Sex life changes over-night, but with pumps and other ED options available it's been fine. To be honest an eye-opener regards some of the options.

Keep positive - I consider mine has now been removed.

Best Wishes

Andrew

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Posted 15 Jan 2025 at 10:02

Hello mate,

I'm sorry that you've had to join the club but welcome to the forum.

The link below suggests that your BRCA1 puts you at a bit more risk regarding 'disease progression' and therefore may question the use of active surveillance

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2405456919301464

The good news is your PSA and your Gleason score are relatively low and the cancer is confined to the prostate.

I believe there is something in the link suggesting that because of your BRCA, surgery may be more effective than RT?

I'm not medically trained, but unless you're told otherwise, I don't think you need to rush in making a further treatment decision.

My only advice is take one step at a time and try not to worry about 'what ifs'

If you decide on surgery, the fitter you are the better, so shedding a couple of pounds would be a good idea.

I took the surgical route. Here's how I've got on so far.

https://community.prostatecanceruk.org/posts/t30214-Almost-a-year-on-after-RARP

Whatever decisions you make. I wish you and your family the best of luck mate.👍

I also love your sense of humour. I can't think of a better username for this site. Nice one, mate. 😂

Perhaps, after the op, you'll change your name to I. P Knightley? 😬

Edited by member 15 Jan 2025 at 10:57  | Reason: Typo

User
Posted 19 Jan 2025 at 20:51

I'm not medically trained, but from the little I think I know/have read: 

1. biopsy even for men who aren't BRCA is now moving more towards (and the gold standard is) transperineal ultra sound guided MRI fusion biopsy, and with a lot more cores than 6.   And still they miss some cancer or miss some higher grade cancer.   I'm surprised that (even on the NHS) if they knew you are BRCA they did the outdated TRUSS biopsy and only 6 cores and then merrily declared you lowish Gleeson grade risk.   

2. Was your MRI a MPMRI?  

3.  If I was BRCA I would lean towards having the prostate removed.   If you decide not to, or are deliberating, if I were you I would be asking for 20+ cores transperineal biopsy fused with your MRI scan (either existing or new MPMRI) to guide the consultant. 

 

Edited by member 19 Jan 2025 at 21:01  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 19 Jan 2025 at 23:27

Agreed that six cores seems way too few, even then assuming they focused and took two or three of the cores from the area of concern that leaves only three or four for the rest of your entire prostate. I would be very leery of basing an AS decision or other major treatment decision with so little. My biopsy was a fusion MpMRI directed at a PIRADS 4 lesion and three cores were taken from the lesion and then a grid random 12 cores from the rest of the prostate. My lesion actually turned out benign but 5 of the other cores contained cancer even one core of Gleason 8. I would not make such a major decision believing that, that is all you have is one core of a 7. (3+4) when they BARELY biopsied you. Maybe it is but at least have them gather enough tissue from around the prostate to have confidence in their finding. 

User
Posted 20 Jan 2025 at 07:43

I assumed that the 6 cores in the opening post refered to the number of positive Gleason 7 (3+4) cores, or perhaps the number of cores taken on the left handside or the targeted area, not the total of the number of cores taken? 

I see in another conversation that there is mention of 6 biopsies and 3 showing slow growing cancer. Again I'm assuming that 'Arfur' is refering to 6 cores in a specific target area, not the total number of cores taken.

It needs clarification. It seems more likely that the biopsy results are being confusedly related, rather than there only being a total of six cores taken

I can't see where it's mentioned that it was a TRUS biopsy?

Edited by member 20 Jan 2025 at 07:58  | Reason: Additional text

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Posted 21 Jan 2025 at 10:03

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

I assumed that the 6 cores in the opening post refered to the number of positive Gleason 7 (3+4) cores, or perhaps the number of cores taken on the left handside or the targeted area, not the total of the number of cores taken? 

I see in another conversation that there is mention of 6 biopsies and 3 showing slow growing cancer. Again I'm assuming that 'Arfur' is refering to 6 cores in a specific target area, not the total number of cores taken.

It needs clarification. It seems more likely that the biopsy results are being confusedly related, rather than there only being a total of six cores taken

I can't see where it's mentioned that it was a TRUS biopsy?

Yes I think you're right re TRUS - I think that was a potential incorrect assumption on my part due to it having been only 6 cores.    On 6 cores vs 6 biopsies, I don't think he will have had 6 biopsies so I think that's probably 6 cores. 

 
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