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HT - how long does it take for side effects to take effect

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Posted 16 Jan 2025 at 21:21

I can see all the side effects everyone suffers from when getting the HT injections, but cannot pin down how long it takes for them to begin - is it straight after the jabs , or weeks , or months ?    If you get several , like the lethargy , fatigue, hot flushes and weight gain - do they all start at the same time ?

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Posted 16 Jan 2025 at 23:35

Hi Sscrable,

Firstly, everyone is different and you might be one of the lucky ones who get few, if any side effects. I wasn’t and if you’ve read my journey you will know it’s not been an easy one for me. All I can do is say what happened with me.

Hot flushes started quite quickly after my first jab. Initially it was just a warm feeling and I thought ‘what’s everyone complaining about?’ Then BANG! They hit me, and still do even though I finished HT 9 months ago, although they are much less severe and frequent now.

I never really suffered fatigue, in fact i was bursting with energy for much of the time.

Anxiety kicked in almost immediately after starting HT. it was very Debilitating for me but Sertraline sorted that out and I am still taking it now.

weight gain crept up on me but not initially, I would say it took about 9 months before I gradually started to put on weight. initially I actually LOST weight. I wish I could lose weight now.

Joint ache was by far the worst side effect I had. it seemed to start after my RT which was about 9 months after starting HT. It go progressively worse with each jab. It’s slowly getting better now that I have finished HT.

Loss of Libido happened very soon after starting HT.

The best advice I can give you is keep as active as possible, do lots of weight bearing exercises to help stop muscle loss and joint ache, be good to yourself to keep your spirits up, seek out support from others by maybe joining a Cancer Support Group. If you want a sex life when this is over, learn to experiment with your partner, it’s still possible to have sex when on the treatment if you’re prepared to try.Also it’s important to do penile exercises to prevent the use it or lose it effect…get yourself a vacum pump and use it regularly.

good luck with your treatment and let’s hope you are one of the lucky ones.

Derek

 

User
Posted 17 Jan 2025 at 08:20

Hi sscrable,

I'm further behind than Derek, been on HT for about 6 months, starting in July 2024. I took his advice with keeping active as much as I can, biking to work (not far! 10mins), weights and an exercise plan. I did ease off during radiotherapy though. For me loss of libido kicked in after about a month, though I've found tadalafil works very well for getting an erection, I'm on 5mg daily, doesn't increase desire though! I've noticed I'm gaining fat round my tummy, still weigh the same though, probably due to muscle loss, I feel weaker.

My elbows ache, mild at first but now left is quite uncomfortable when lifting something at a stretch like a bottle of water.

I've escaped the worst of hot flushes which again I noticed after the first month I'd say, and only get mild ones at night sometimes. My body hair is thinning, noticed this over the last month, not too fussed as it should grow back once I finish HT in 18months time.

I consider myself quite lucky, hopefully your side effects will be mild too, all the best with your treatment

John

 

User
Posted 17 Jan 2025 at 12:20

Hi sscrabble

I have been on HT since last September. Warm flushes started after 2 weeks and hot flushes, with alternating periods of shivering cold, started after about 6 weeks . My energy level dropped fairly quickly and whilst I still go for walks, they are no longer brisk. Find it hard to put one foot in front of the other after a while. I am just now losing body hair. About 5 times a week I exercise with 5kg dumbells and have managed to maintain my muscle tone and not put on excess weight. My appetite has gone through the roof but I think that may have more to do with the 7 weeks of RT that finished about 7 weeks ago.

We are all different. Good luck to you. 

Peter

 

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Posted 17 Jan 2025 at 21:24
Difficult to say, and any of us can only describe our personal experience.

I was lucky and never had the hot flush problem. It may have taken more determination to keep up my usual levels of physical activity, but I did get tired in the evening (and go to bed early) and it is hard to say when that became significant. Lack of physical stamina became much more obvious after radiotherapy, but I got over that relatively quickly apart from needing more sleep.

Similarly loss of body hair I was hardly aware of until I suddenly realised I was bald below the neck. Increase in weight (and waist measurement) was also slow, and seemed to continue beyond the 9 months when the last zoladex should have run out. But three years later physical strength is mostly back (allowing for the fact I have got older in the meantime), weight is almost but not quite back to where it was, and there is hair in all the normal places though it is much finer than it used to be (e.g. underarm, more like baby hair). I still want early nights though.

Good luck.

User
Posted 18 Jan 2025 at 11:10

One other side effect that I forgot to mention. Every morning the joints on my fingers seize up. Sometimes I have to straighten my fingers using the other hand. This started happening after about 3 months of HT. Think I'll try taking cod liver oil daily - or maybe WD40.

Peter

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Posted 18 Jan 2025 at 14:46

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

One other side effect that I forgot to mention. Every morning the joints on my fingers seize up. Sometimes I have to straighten my fingers using the other hand. This started happening after about 3 months of HT. Think I'll try taking cod liver oil daily - or maybe WD40.

Peter

Yep, I had that too sometimes. Now that I’m off the poison I get quite bad cramps in my legs and feet when I’m in bed. For a long time after starting HT I also had restless legs , no idea what that’s all about🤷🏼‍♂️

User
Posted 18 Jan 2025 at 16:03
The two previous posts echo my experience. I am on a triple hormone therapy. A Zoladex injection every three months, daily Medroxyprogesterone to combat the hot flushes and Apalutamide. I had a break from the Apalutamide for three months due to bad side effects, but I am due to restart it next week at a reduced dose as my PSA is rising at a runaway pace.

At night, I often suffer pain in my lower legs - I initially mistook this for cramp - and each morning my hands are stiff and painful. A hot shower relieves the leg and hand pain, and I exercise my hands with rubber therapy balls. After my hot water therapy, things are as normal as they are lever going to get.

I saw a rheumatologist who gave me a steroid injection in my backside and for five weeks I was pain free in my hands and legs. Since then the problems are slowly returning. As my pains are symmetrical, my oncologist thinks they are unlikely to be the result of mets and are, in her words, 'treatment related'. Last week I had a whole body nuclear bone scan. I am hoping the results will shed some light.

User
Posted 18 Jan 2025 at 20:22

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
At night, I often suffer pain in my lower legs

I had this with Zoladex, along with "restless leg".  It was exacerbated when I had a a Zoladex injection inserted as intramuscular rather than sub-cutaneous resulting in a far quicker release. The effective overdose increased the leg pain and added symptoms akin to those from peripheral neuropathy. Luckily the extreme symptoms faded over the 3 month duration of Z's effect but I concluded that Zoladex does have some unpleasant side effects, even if my GP wasn't willing to concede it.

Similarly to your experience Derek, I had leg cramps at night during my Z experience but that's completely disappeared now.

This might support the view of your oncologist Hieronymous. although your triple hormone treatment is way tougher than what I had to go through.

Jules

User
Posted 18 Jan 2025 at 21:29

I would be very interested to find out what side effects men have had when faced with life long ADT and chosen to go down the orchidectomy route.

User
Posted 19 Jan 2025 at 21:06
Hi sscrable

Much like everyone I can only say what I experienced. To give some hope they were nowhere near as bad as I I had read about or expecting but I’m sure/I know there are others both better and worse 😔than I. I had initial aches and pains in legs and chest and a very quick muscle loss. Ive lost weight but then have changed diet, alcohol intake and have changed exercise to lower intensity but longer time. I’ve not really been too bad with the hot flushes but weirdly tended to get them concentrated round the armpit's (no idea why?) for the first 8 weeks but that seemed to calm down. I do get tired but previously I struggled with sleep so strangely it’s helped with that. The worst part I had was 4 very low days where I wondered is this it for 2 years but very quickly improved after the 4th day. I have to say I’m a bit more emotional but so far the 2-8 week period seemed to be worst then the last 6 weeks I seemed to have got used to it.The only other thing I really struggle with is hydration but have a feeling that is more the abiraterone than the zoladex.

Good luck and really hope the side effects are few and tolerable for you.

Stuart

User
Posted 21 Jan 2025 at 08:33

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

One other side effect that I forgot to mention. Every morning the joints on my fingers seize up. Sometimes I have to straighten my fingers using the other hand. This started happening after about 3 months of HT. Think I'll try taking cod liver oil daily - or maybe WD40.

Peter

 

Peter, my OH had the same issue … very painful too! We’d noticed that the joint pain in the rest of his body was greatly reduced after starting regular gym sessions with a PT, but of course this didn’t exercise his fingers! The PT suggested we get a set of hand grip strengtheners from Amazon and use them to exercise his hands before bed every night. It only took a few days of doing this for the problem to disappear completely. Best £10 we’ve spent!!  

User
Posted 21 Jan 2025 at 09:07

Thanks Kazzy60. I don't get joint pain anywhere else probably because I have a regular exercise routine. But, as you say, that doesn't include fingers. I'll try the hand grips. Sounds sensible. Thanks for the tip. 

Peter

 

 
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