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Routine PSA Tests for men over 50?

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Posted 28 Jan 2025 at 09:27

Why is it, that this is not the case? In a similar way the the Ladies for Breast Cancer.
The PSA Blood test is a good indicator, though not infallable.
The Doctor's finger, is mostly a waste of time & cannot tell if the early tumour, is on the opposite side.
Early diagnose is essential - just do it!!!

User
Posted 28 Jan 2025 at 09:45

Hi Bob,

This link explains why, at present, there is no screening for prostate cancer.

https://nationalscreening.blog.gov.uk/2023/11/20/uk-nsc-welcomes-major-new-prostate-cancer-screening-research/#:~:text=Mike%20Harris%2C%2020%20November%202023,as%20a%20primary%20screening%20test.

However, if you're over fifty, you can ask your GP for a PSA test.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/psa-test/

 

Edited by member 28 Jan 2025 at 09:53  | Reason: Add link

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Posted 28 Jan 2025 at 12:49

I have tried to post this as a link as a new post several times but for some reason I have got Access Denied and that I would attempting to enter a place I should' not go. So I am posting this link here to a Q&A given by one of the UK's top Focal experts but some of the early questions refer to screening and later on screening and a cut down MRI which could be used to identity patients at an early stage and the reduction of DRE testing that inhibits some men from being tested. Session is long and takes a number of seconds to start but worth viewing I feel.
https://www.google.com/search?q=mark+emberton+q%26a+session+1&sca_esv=496eddfa5fbe46be&source=hp&ei=TNCYZ4n2G6WChbIP5ruY8QM&iflsig=ACkRmUkAAAAAZ5jeXOWHId2FESmDrUwhm_uXttb6voI9&oq=mark+emberton+Q%26A+session&gs_lp=Egdnd3Mtd2l6IhltYXJrIGVtYmVydG9uIFEmQSBzZXNzaW9uKgIIATIFECEYoAEyBRAhGKABSOvYAVCwF1jbtQFwAngAkAEAmAF-oAH3EKoBBDI0LjK4AQHIAQD4AQGYAhygAsQSqAIKwgIKEAAYAxjqAhiPAcICChAuGAMY6gIYjwHCAgsQABiABBixAxiDAcICDhAuGIAEGLEDGNEDGMcBwgILEC4YgAQYsQMYgwHCAhEQLhiABBixAxjRAxiDARjHAcICCxAuGIAEGNEDGMcBwgIOEAAYgAQYsQMYgwEYigXCAggQLhiABBixA8ICDhAuGIAEGLEDGIMBGIoFwgIFEC4YgATCAhEQLhiABBixAxjRAxjHARjJA8ICCBAAGIAEGLEDwgILEAAYgAQYkgMYigXCAgsQLhiABBjHARivAcICCxAuGIAEGLEDGNQCwgIFEAAYgATCAggQLhiABBjUAsICBxAuGIAEGArCAgYQABgWGB7CAgQQIRgVwgIHECEYoAEYCsICCBAAGIAEGKIEwgIIEAAYogQYiQWYAxnxBX9W9AXLDz1MkgcEMjQuNKAHkdgB&sclient=gws-wiz#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:5bf074c5,vid:CTYvk7qk

 

Edited by member 28 Jan 2025 at 12:51  | Reason: to highlight link

Barry
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Posted 04 Feb 2025 at 07:59

From my personal experience I don't think the NHS have the resources to engage in a screening program for PCa.

No matter how much they are wanted or advisable there simply aren't enough people or equipment to do such a task.

MRI scans take a lot of time and there aren't enough scanners available.

Biopsies are complicated procedures with some risk from infection etc. 

And cancer changes can be missed on biopsy, by even a few millimetres out.

Also there is no support and very poor information for any man going through the process.  I got better information and support from my dentist surgery than from the urology department. As soon as cancer is mentioned your logic goes out the window and you see every negative outcome possible. The NHS simply don't have the time or ability to fight the fires they start, I had to find my own answers. The image of a nurse patting your hand and drying your tears has been replaced by getting your results from a secretary and being told they are too busy to deal with you right now.

There will be far more men fearing the worst but finding out they are clear than those who get the terrible news they have cancer. And there is no provision for that cohort to navigate the process. 

Routine screening checks are a long way off, even though PCa might be a great candidate for them. 

Mick

 

 

User
Posted 04 Feb 2025 at 08:19

I've just done my bowel cancer screening. It was a crap experience. 😁

Joking apart, I seriously considered not bothering. 'Its bad enough being diagnosed with one cancer!', I thought.

However, I saw sense, and my poo is somewhere with the Royal Mail.

It reminds me of the old man whose doctor wanted urine, semen and stool, samples from him. His wife said, "No problem, we'll take him a pair of your underpants". 

Edited by member 04 Feb 2025 at 09:10  | Reason: Additional text

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Posted 04 Feb 2025 at 18:06
Mick, I think you are right that there are insufficient resources both in trained clinicians and equipment to screen all regularly at present but this might come about as the learned Professor said in the link I gave by getting MRI time down to 10 or possibly even 5 mins and even being able to carry out the scan in a major store as it will not require a doctor being present which will considerably reduce the cost. (I recently had my DVLA eye test in a store so this is not such a surprising suggestion.) It was difficult to get a PSMA scan by the NHS about 10 years ago and I had to pay for mine. Nowadays PSMA tests are not only available on the NHS but have become increasingly available at more locations. If screening helps more readily identify men at risk and such men be treated as appropriate at an early stage, it could significantly reduce down the line treatment for the patient and also reduce the time consultants have to spend in finding ways to treat so many patients whose cancel was discovered late and was advanced. I suggest you view the link I gave. Nothing happens overnight. It's a question of adapting over time.
Barry
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Posted 04 Feb 2025 at 18:22

Today's Times has a two page spread by a world famous specialist in PCa where the topic of screening comes up as below.  I've changed his name to Prof because they don't like names on here even though I think they wouldn't mind in this case:

'GPs are advised against proactively offering the PSA test to any man without symptoms. “There is no screening programme, no letter through the post saying, ‘Come and have a test to check for prostate cancer’,” Prof says. Many find this baffling and outrageous, but he says, “Of three big studies to look at whether screening improves survival of men compared to not screening, only one showed an increase in survival. It means the evidence is still uncertain.

Plus, he says, when you screen for prostate cancer, you find cancers in the prostate that don’t need to be treated. “A third of men above 50 have tiny bits of cancer in their prostate that they will never know about, that will never grow or spread, that will never cause them any problems in quality or quantity of life.” But if they’re found in screening, “A lot of men end up wanting to be treated for these low-risk cancers because they get so anxious.”

However, Prof emphasises that GPs aren’t “banned” from offering the PSA, and if a man is certain he’d benefit he believes that “most GPs will say you can have it”.

Meanwhile, researchers are investigating the value of a targeted screening programme. Prof says: “There are a number of small studies, looking at men aged 45 to 50 who have a higher risk of prostate cancer, either from a family history or because they are of black ethnicity.”

Why not for men in their early forties? For men aged 40 to 44, the risk of prostate cancer is “very, very low’’. Plus, “MRI scans in that group are known to be much less accurate, so we have to be very careful about calls to start screening men from the age of 40.”

 

It's a good interview in which he mentions a psa test I'd not heard of called EpiSwitch for £905, that Gleason 3+3 should almost always be Active Surveillance and that HIFU is good for small tumours.

It's behind a paywall but the link is here.  Sometimes they open the paywall.    https://www.thetimes.com/life-style/health-fitness/article/prostate-cancer-guide-questions-answered-b3pr9ztmx

Edited by member 04 Feb 2025 at 18:27  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 04 Feb 2025 at 22:51

There is a lot of disagreement over the benefit a screening programme would provide and it is interesting that this is now being more thoroughly examined. This Charity has clearly come out in favour.
https://prostatecanceruk.org/about-us/news-and-views/2025/01/most-common-cancer-england

https://www.urologytimes.com/view/urologic-cancer-facts-and-updates-for-world-cancer-day-2025

https://www.irishnews.com/news/uk/government-looking-carefully-at-launching-routine-prostate-cancer-screening-6HHXV4QHSRJIHKXVJDVGSG7S4Y/

I was very fortunate in that my GP actually suggested he add a PSA test to blood that was being tested for other reasons, not because there was a suggestion that I might have PCa. This led to a positive diagnosis with cancer in the process of breaking out of the capsule. It was beyond the point that the surgeon wanted to operate. That was in 2007. Subsequent RT nearly eradicated it all but it took 2 HIFU treatments additionally to put me into remission. So initial treatment was only given just in time. Had there been a screening programme in place and the cancer found earlier surgery might have been an option. Had my GP not suggested that PSA test the cancer would have extended with resulting metastasis and most probably I would have died of it quite some years ago. So naturally, I am with those who advocate screening being offered. If there is a willingness, it can happen, the same as when the Vehicle MOT was introduced with the need for training of technicians and the infra structure to test many thousands of vehicles regularly.

Edited by member 04 Feb 2025 at 22:53  | Reason: to highlight links

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