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Posted 30 Jan 2025 at 03:19

Excuse the length but I think it is a very interesting and rarely discussed case.

I am 70 years old, in good health, with a PSA of 7.52. According to my biopsy, 5 out of 12 samples show Gleason 3+3 in the peripheral zone, all on the left side and in less than 50% of the tissue, which would be classified as T2a.

According to an MRI, there is a PIRADS 4/5 lesion (11mm) in one of the same areas indicated by the biopsy, and two lesions (also 11mm) in the transitional zone—one on the right and one on the left. There is no extraprostatic extension or metastasis according to biopsy, MRI, CT scan, and bone scan.

It has been demonstrated that cancers in the transitional zone are much less aggressive than those in the peripheral zone.

One of my oncologists thinks I am still a T2a and can continue with active surveillance (AS) since the lesions in the transitional zone shown in the MRI (assuming they are cancer) would be even slower growing because they are in the transitional zone.

But the other oncologist says no, that I move to T2c because I would have bilateral cancer and wants me to choose between prostatectomy or brachytherapy, and no longer AS.

Both consider that a biopsy of the transitional zone is not necessary.

Putting aside the literal clinical guidelines (which I believe apply to the peripheral zone), why, in practice, should some supposedly small and indolent adenocarcinomas in the transitional zone change my staging from T2a to T2c and prevent me from continuing my AS treatment? Does any of you have experience with cancer in the transitional zone? What do you think?

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Posted 30 Jan 2025 at 03:19

Excuse the length but I think it is a very interesting and rarely discussed case.

I am 70 years old, in good health, with a PSA of 7.52. According to my biopsy, 5 out of 12 samples show Gleason 3+3 in the peripheral zone, all on the left side and in less than 50% of the tissue, which would be classified as T2a.

According to an MRI, there is a PIRADS 4/5 lesion (11mm) in one of the same areas indicated by the biopsy, and two lesions (also 11mm) in the transitional zone—one on the right and one on the left. There is no extraprostatic extension or metastasis according to biopsy, MRI, CT scan, and bone scan.

It has been demonstrated that cancers in the transitional zone are much less aggressive than those in the peripheral zone.

One of my oncologists thinks I am still a T2a and can continue with active surveillance (AS) since the lesions in the transitional zone shown in the MRI (assuming they are cancer) would be even slower growing because they are in the transitional zone.

But the other oncologist says no, that I move to T2c because I would have bilateral cancer and wants me to choose between prostatectomy or brachytherapy, and no longer AS.

Both consider that a biopsy of the transitional zone is not necessary.

Putting aside the literal clinical guidelines (which I believe apply to the peripheral zone), why, in practice, should some supposedly small and indolent adenocarcinomas in the transitional zone change my staging from T2a to T2c and prevent me from continuing my AS treatment? Does any of you have experience with cancer in the transitional zone? What do you think?

User
Posted 05 Feb 2025 at 09:56

I think IDK, is spot on.

I started a conversation about T2c disease and active surveillance. It may help you.

https://community.prostatecanceruk.org/posts/t29997-T2c-disease-and-active-surveillance

 

User
Posted 05 Feb 2025 at 12:24
Hi No se2: Thank you very much for your response. I really don't want to undergo surgery until I'm sure of the diagnosis, and I also don't want to have a second biopsy immediately, especially in a difficult area like the transitional zone. I think the Adrian56 initiative for a new discussion is excellent. It helps a lot in making a decision. Have a nice day.
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Posted 05 Feb 2025 at 08:06

Hi Igor

Initially my husband following MPMRI and perineal biopsy was found to have a tumour in the peripheral zone 3:4. This classified him as T2A. He had surgery and a further three small tumours were discovered, of the three newly diagnosed tumours two were in the transition zone and one in the peripheral zone. Two of these tumours were in the opposite side of the prostate in the peripheral and transition zone. This changed his staging to T2C. One of the tumours in the transitional zone was the highest grade 4:3 although the composite score remained 3:4.

In his circumstances the transitional zone was not more benign. My understanding is if tumours are both sides of the prostate regardless of whether they are in the transitional zone or not,  the staging is T2C.  Your urologist may feel fairly confident from the looks of the MPMRI that the tumours are likely to be fairly benign. Of course that cannot be confirmed unless a biopsy is undertaken. Also 11mm tumours are not particularly small but that does not mean they are aggressive either.

in terms of further treatment options that is of course a decision to be taken between you and your urologist. In answer to whether tumours both sides of the prostate, regardless of where they are situated constitute T2C I believe most urologist would say they do.

Interestingly  historically T2C  disease was considered unsuitable for AS and that is no longer the case. Indeed pathologist now only need to state T2 and not record the extent of tumour in the prostate by saying whether the staging is T2A B or C.

Edited by member 05 Feb 2025 at 08:13  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 05 Feb 2025 at 09:56

I think IDK, is spot on.

I started a conversation about T2c disease and active surveillance. It may help you.

https://community.prostatecanceruk.org/posts/t29997-T2c-disease-and-active-surveillance

 

User
Posted 05 Feb 2025 at 12:24
Hi No se2: Thank you very much for your response. I really don't want to undergo surgery until I'm sure of the diagnosis, and I also don't want to have a second biopsy immediately, especially in a difficult area like the transitional zone. I think the Adrian56 initiative for a new discussion is excellent. It helps a lot in making a decision. Have a nice day.
 
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