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Posted 05 Mar 2025 at 00:12

Hi, My husband is 73, his PSA was 7.6 and his gp carried out the finger up the bottom trick whereby he said it felt it was a bit swollen on his right.  This is terryfying him and he is at his wets and he reallty convinced he has cancer as his back is aching too. he has cancer.  no pain when he wees and it take take fime for the flow to to which sometimes can be slow.  He has waited 3 weeks to get hi MRI appointment through which thank god its early this Sarurday on9th March (My sons Birthday).  My husband is innconsolable at the moment, really gone into himself, depressed and really out of sorts.  Has a back ache too.  My question is, what should he expect from having a Plapolapsersed MRI, when will he get the results back as in how long should he need to wait.  Does he get a call from his GP or from the Consultant.      Many thanks.

User
Posted 05 Mar 2025 at 07:43

Hi


I know this is almost impossible to do but try not to worry until you have had the results of all the tests that may be necessary. Your husband’s PSA is elevated but not very high and could be the consequence of an enlarged prostate, prostatitis or just his normal. A PSA of that level even if it is cancer is unlikely to have spread, not impossible but highly unlikely so I suspect the back pain is just incidental. His urine symptoms could be due to size of prostate.


i do not know about the MRI scan your husband is having. My husband had an MPMRI. They will be looking for any abnormalities and if any are found they will be graded between 1 and 5. 5 is most probably cancer. The MRI will look at nodes and the pelvic area generally. If a lesion is seen they will look to see if it has spread outside the prostate. However a MRI can not definitively diagnose cancer and if there are any abnormal areas your husband will require a biopsy. A biopsy is undertaken either under local or general anaesthetic and biopsied tissue can determine if cancer is present and level of aggressiveness and inform regarding suitable treatments.


I can’t give timescales for all this to happen. I do not know if you are having private or NHS treatment and/ or the pressures on your local hospitals. I think what everyone agrees on this forum it is  the waiting which makes this time  the worst part of all in this journey. Perhaps your husband could ask when he has the MRI when he can expect the results and how they will be delivered. This is different at different hospital trusts etc.


Please try to relax and undertake some activities you enjoy whilst waiting for any necessary tests to be undertaken. Good luck.

Edited by member 05 Mar 2025 at 07:52  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 05 Mar 2025 at 07:52

Hi, I'm really sorry your husband and you have been dragged into this situation which we all know is very stressful for everyone touched by it.


I can fully understand his reaction but the advice I was given here and the advice I would give you myself is to take things one test at a time. Thinking the worst of his symptoms at this stage is a big mistake, it wastes energy that he needs to navigate the series of tests and results that are coming towards you both. 


I know this might not be a popular view but to be frank it's not all about the man either, as his wife you will be under a great deal of pressure to support him emotionally and physically as he attends his MRI scan and awaits the result. True it's the man who is facing the possibility of serious illness,  but you face it together and I realised very early in my prostate journey that my wife needed me to be realistic about what was happening to me; thinking the worst would not help either of us.


As regards the MRI scan it's relatively easy, unless of course you hate confined spaces. It's a half hour or so laid on a warm bed, but inside a metal tube with a lot of noise going on, let your mind accept that and you're in control.


Results wise it will vary wildly based on the NHS trust that is dealing with him. After my MRI I got a phone call saying they wanted me in for a biopsy,  the nurse had no idea why, just that they must think there was something that needed looking at. Some guys on here got a letter but most seem to have got a lot more information than I did at this stage. I can't tell you if that's good or bad, on the one hand it set me thinking there must be something wrong to need a biopsy but on the other it didn't give me tons of numbers and terms that I didn't understand and could misinterpret. I guess it depends on the person which option would cause you the least worry.


The length of time between scan and result shouldn't be long, but it still feels like forever. Maybe there will be nothing to report, other than enlargement of the prostate.  But it's possible that they will require a biopsy if there are any abnormalities and you will go onto the next waiting, testing, waiting phase. 


If that happens then let us know and we will guide you through that part too.


For now try to reassure your husband that his back ache is just that, a back ache. I bet he had a sore back before the PSA test, but now he feels it has to be because he has cancer. Your mind does that to you, its perfectly normal, but not in his best interests. His prostate might feel a bit enlarged to his GP,  but every man's prostate gets bigger with age. His PSA is slightly raised (bear in mind it can go into the thousands so his is pretty tiny).


My journey has paused after my MRI identified two lesions, one on either side. The following biopsy said neither area had any signs of cancer. So I am very relieved, but still  need regular PSA tests to monitor things. 


I truly hope that the MRI scan is clear and just reveals a normal prostate.  If a biopsy is needed then you just move on to the next rung on the ladder. 


Please keep inntouch with the forum and take care of your own health, especially mentally. My wife is an ex nurse and was brilliant through my journey, but she admitted she was scared of the possible outcomes if things went wrong.  She even worried about who would do all the cooking and housework if I was ill. I'm a stay at home house husband lol. 


Good luck and let us know how the MRI goes.


Mick xx


 


 

User
Posted 05 Mar 2025 at 09:55

Hi Chris.


I'm sorry that your husband is having possible prostrate problems but it's lovely to see that you are supporting him. Welcome to the forum.


I can't add much to the very good information and advice thats already been posted. However it may help your husband to know that over 70% of men in their seventies have some cancerous cells in their prostates. The MRI may show anomalies which may need further investigation. These procedures will show IF he's got prostate cancer and whether it is clinically significant requiring further treatment. His PSA levels are only slightly above what is deemed abnormal for a man of his age. At his PSA level is very unlikely, even IF  he has prostate cancer, that it would be causing his back pains.


I hope the results are favourable and wish you both the best of luck.

User
Posted 05 Mar 2025 at 12:31
Hi Chris

I know how worrying and alien it all is at the moment…it’s not too long ago that I was in the same position as you with my Husband, that’s when I joined this forum, thank goodness I did! Everyone on here has been where you both are now so totally understand what it feels like. Great advice given above, and although everyone’s situation and treatment path is different (if it turns out to be cancer); as is how each person deals with it emotionally, but you can be sure that someone on here has tried a similar path and will be forthcoming with information and advice that will ease the burden. It’s the not knowing that is hard, IF you have to deal with it, you will be stronger than you think, we found ourselves ‘just getting on with it to get through it’.

I hope you get a negative result….if not, you are in the right place to help!

Take care

Debbie
User
Posted 05 Mar 2025 at 14:50

I fully understand how your husband must be feeling because I was of a similar age when diagnosed. Also my wife would tell you how difficult it is supporting your husband with this potentially life threatening situation. Best not to jump to any conclusions yet.  It may comfort him to know that there are a lot of us who have survived this disease for a long time and continue to lead a relatively normal life for many years. I am in my 15th year since my surgery and enjoying life to full, watching our grand kids growing up. Good luck.

 'Physics is like sex: sure, it may give some practical results, but that’s not why we do it.'                    Richard Feynman (1918-1988) Nobel Prize laureate


 


 

User
Posted 10 Mar 2025 at 15:46
Thank you to every one of you whom has taken the time to answer. My husband had his MRI scan Saturday morning. Not sure what type he had but I know they put a canula in his arm with 3 different needles, one of which was dye, not sure what the other 2 were mind you. A waiting game now to see what they scan shows. Praying for all of the men out there going through the same. Love Chris x
User
Posted 10 Mar 2025 at 17:05

Chris,


Best wishes to you both, the waiting is the worst thing.


Mick 

User
Posted 13 Mar 2025 at 16:38

Hi  Chris. 


That's is a transperineal biopsy, the ultrasound bit is what they use to guide in the biopsy needle to the right part of the prostate to take each sample.


I didn't have that so I can't really say how it feels, I'm sure someone will be along to let you know.


All it means is that the MRI has shown up something that they would like to look at closer. I thought an MRI scan would show everything,  but it needs interpreting and isn't as detailed as I thought it would be.


As others have said a biopsy is the gold standard way they use to detect IF there are any cancer cells present. It is a big IF and there is still every possibility that there is no cancer and it's just a lesion or something. That's what it turned out to be for me. 


I can't stop him worrying, by the sound of he he's already thought himself into the worst case scenario.  All you can do is hang on in there until the biopsy is done and the results are back. The waiting only gets worse I'm afraid, if that's your husbands character then unfortunately there's not a lot anyone can do to make him feel better. 


Is he reading these posts? I'm sure he would at least understand things better if he was. Information is his best ally at this stage and might calm his nerves.


I was very calm and rational about what was happening to me, and it still upset my wife because I wanted to talk about the possible outcomes of me having cancer. She was scared of even thinking about such a possibility and wanted to wait until there was something definite to worry about. As a nurse she was probably right, "yes there's a knife handle sticking out of your shirt, but we don't know how big the blade is or even if it has gone in, so let's do an xray and see what that shows shall we...."


Just try to be patient and be there for him, I know it's hard but it's all you can do. Can he speak to his GP,  they may be able to allay some fears and may prescribe something to calm him. 


Mick. Xx


 

User
Posted 28 Mar 2025 at 17:14

The MRI pi-rads 3 basically means the result is equivocal, they are not certain if it's cancer or not. The biopsy will be more informative.


Best of luck 🤞 

User
Posted 29 Mar 2025 at 08:54

Chris.  If I remember right a PIRADS score of three would not have triggered a biopsy at my NHS trust. So your husband is having his checked out with a biopsy that I wouldn't have been offered. 


That's better than not getting it checked and hopefully confirmed that it's not cancer, like mine was.


The numbers are a real pain. Some things are decimal points either way to trigger one thing, some can be literally in the thousands and some things seem to have very small range between "it's fine don't worry" and "holy crap you'd better get here quick"


Its just the way it is Im afraid, until someone comes up with a unified system that is easier to understand. 


Mick x


 

User
Posted 07 Apr 2025 at 03:05
The results of all tests and scans will be considered by the MST (Multi Disciplinary Team) but timing for this will depend on the number of cases they have to consider. When they determine the result the patent will then be advised of this and may be told what treatments are open to him as approriate. This would include just monitoring if radical treatment is not considered necessay for the time being. It is often the case that a patient will be given an appointment to discuss his case and where radical treatment is proposed may be asked to decide whether he prefers Surgery or Radiotheray (in most cases). It's not just the treatments but potential side effects that need to be considered. Sometmes a man will be invited to have appointments with a Urologist and also with an Oncologist to discuss radical treatments before a treatment decision is made. Unfortunately this adds time to the already drawn out process, so one step at a time.

Should significant cancer be identified, there are increasing ways it can be treated nowadays but twhat is decided will depend on a number of things applicable to a specific case.

Barry
User
Posted 14 Apr 2025 at 07:29
Hi Chris
The comment that it is contained ,probably means that whatever they have seen on the MRI is contained within the prostate and has not spread outside of it into other parts of the body.This is good news and should potentially give more options for treatment if any is necessary or ongoing surveillance.Good luck today
John
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User
Posted 05 Mar 2025 at 07:43

Hi


I know this is almost impossible to do but try not to worry until you have had the results of all the tests that may be necessary. Your husband’s PSA is elevated but not very high and could be the consequence of an enlarged prostate, prostatitis or just his normal. A PSA of that level even if it is cancer is unlikely to have spread, not impossible but highly unlikely so I suspect the back pain is just incidental. His urine symptoms could be due to size of prostate.


i do not know about the MRI scan your husband is having. My husband had an MPMRI. They will be looking for any abnormalities and if any are found they will be graded between 1 and 5. 5 is most probably cancer. The MRI will look at nodes and the pelvic area generally. If a lesion is seen they will look to see if it has spread outside the prostate. However a MRI can not definitively diagnose cancer and if there are any abnormal areas your husband will require a biopsy. A biopsy is undertaken either under local or general anaesthetic and biopsied tissue can determine if cancer is present and level of aggressiveness and inform regarding suitable treatments.


I can’t give timescales for all this to happen. I do not know if you are having private or NHS treatment and/ or the pressures on your local hospitals. I think what everyone agrees on this forum it is  the waiting which makes this time  the worst part of all in this journey. Perhaps your husband could ask when he has the MRI when he can expect the results and how they will be delivered. This is different at different hospital trusts etc.


Please try to relax and undertake some activities you enjoy whilst waiting for any necessary tests to be undertaken. Good luck.

Edited by member 05 Mar 2025 at 07:52  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 05 Mar 2025 at 07:52

Hi, I'm really sorry your husband and you have been dragged into this situation which we all know is very stressful for everyone touched by it.


I can fully understand his reaction but the advice I was given here and the advice I would give you myself is to take things one test at a time. Thinking the worst of his symptoms at this stage is a big mistake, it wastes energy that he needs to navigate the series of tests and results that are coming towards you both. 


I know this might not be a popular view but to be frank it's not all about the man either, as his wife you will be under a great deal of pressure to support him emotionally and physically as he attends his MRI scan and awaits the result. True it's the man who is facing the possibility of serious illness,  but you face it together and I realised very early in my prostate journey that my wife needed me to be realistic about what was happening to me; thinking the worst would not help either of us.


As regards the MRI scan it's relatively easy, unless of course you hate confined spaces. It's a half hour or so laid on a warm bed, but inside a metal tube with a lot of noise going on, let your mind accept that and you're in control.


Results wise it will vary wildly based on the NHS trust that is dealing with him. After my MRI I got a phone call saying they wanted me in for a biopsy,  the nurse had no idea why, just that they must think there was something that needed looking at. Some guys on here got a letter but most seem to have got a lot more information than I did at this stage. I can't tell you if that's good or bad, on the one hand it set me thinking there must be something wrong to need a biopsy but on the other it didn't give me tons of numbers and terms that I didn't understand and could misinterpret. I guess it depends on the person which option would cause you the least worry.


The length of time between scan and result shouldn't be long, but it still feels like forever. Maybe there will be nothing to report, other than enlargement of the prostate.  But it's possible that they will require a biopsy if there are any abnormalities and you will go onto the next waiting, testing, waiting phase. 


If that happens then let us know and we will guide you through that part too.


For now try to reassure your husband that his back ache is just that, a back ache. I bet he had a sore back before the PSA test, but now he feels it has to be because he has cancer. Your mind does that to you, its perfectly normal, but not in his best interests. His prostate might feel a bit enlarged to his GP,  but every man's prostate gets bigger with age. His PSA is slightly raised (bear in mind it can go into the thousands so his is pretty tiny).


My journey has paused after my MRI identified two lesions, one on either side. The following biopsy said neither area had any signs of cancer. So I am very relieved, but still  need regular PSA tests to monitor things. 


I truly hope that the MRI scan is clear and just reveals a normal prostate.  If a biopsy is needed then you just move on to the next rung on the ladder. 


Please keep inntouch with the forum and take care of your own health, especially mentally. My wife is an ex nurse and was brilliant through my journey, but she admitted she was scared of the possible outcomes if things went wrong.  She even worried about who would do all the cooking and housework if I was ill. I'm a stay at home house husband lol. 


Good luck and let us know how the MRI goes.


Mick xx


 


 

User
Posted 05 Mar 2025 at 09:55

Hi Chris.


I'm sorry that your husband is having possible prostrate problems but it's lovely to see that you are supporting him. Welcome to the forum.


I can't add much to the very good information and advice thats already been posted. However it may help your husband to know that over 70% of men in their seventies have some cancerous cells in their prostates. The MRI may show anomalies which may need further investigation. These procedures will show IF he's got prostate cancer and whether it is clinically significant requiring further treatment. His PSA levels are only slightly above what is deemed abnormal for a man of his age. At his PSA level is very unlikely, even IF  he has prostate cancer, that it would be causing his back pains.


I hope the results are favourable and wish you both the best of luck.

User
Posted 05 Mar 2025 at 12:31
Hi Chris

I know how worrying and alien it all is at the moment…it’s not too long ago that I was in the same position as you with my Husband, that’s when I joined this forum, thank goodness I did! Everyone on here has been where you both are now so totally understand what it feels like. Great advice given above, and although everyone’s situation and treatment path is different (if it turns out to be cancer); as is how each person deals with it emotionally, but you can be sure that someone on here has tried a similar path and will be forthcoming with information and advice that will ease the burden. It’s the not knowing that is hard, IF you have to deal with it, you will be stronger than you think, we found ourselves ‘just getting on with it to get through it’.

I hope you get a negative result….if not, you are in the right place to help!

Take care

Debbie
User
Posted 05 Mar 2025 at 14:50

I fully understand how your husband must be feeling because I was of a similar age when diagnosed. Also my wife would tell you how difficult it is supporting your husband with this potentially life threatening situation. Best not to jump to any conclusions yet.  It may comfort him to know that there are a lot of us who have survived this disease for a long time and continue to lead a relatively normal life for many years. I am in my 15th year since my surgery and enjoying life to full, watching our grand kids growing up. Good luck.

 'Physics is like sex: sure, it may give some practical results, but that’s not why we do it.'                    Richard Feynman (1918-1988) Nobel Prize laureate


 


 

User
Posted 10 Mar 2025 at 15:46
Thank you to every one of you whom has taken the time to answer. My husband had his MRI scan Saturday morning. Not sure what type he had but I know they put a canula in his arm with 3 different needles, one of which was dye, not sure what the other 2 were mind you. A waiting game now to see what they scan shows. Praying for all of the men out there going through the same. Love Chris x
User
Posted 10 Mar 2025 at 17:05

Chris,


Best wishes to you both, the waiting is the worst thing.


Mick 

User
Posted 13 Mar 2025 at 16:18

Update: So my husbands results for the MRI came back very quickly, he had the MRI Monday and he received an email back today (Thursday).


Going forward the worrying is even worse. The email said that the MRI had identified something sufficiently suspicious and would recommend to proceed with a transperineal ulstrasound.   I am trying so hard to be patient but he really is thinking the worst.  The procedure does not look or sound  nice and wish they hadn't emailed him this.  He is in pieces, and worrying himself to death.


Praying that he doesn't have to wait too long for this procedure. :-(

User
Posted 13 Mar 2025 at 16:38

Hi  Chris. 


That's is a transperineal biopsy, the ultrasound bit is what they use to guide in the biopsy needle to the right part of the prostate to take each sample.


I didn't have that so I can't really say how it feels, I'm sure someone will be along to let you know.


All it means is that the MRI has shown up something that they would like to look at closer. I thought an MRI scan would show everything,  but it needs interpreting and isn't as detailed as I thought it would be.


As others have said a biopsy is the gold standard way they use to detect IF there are any cancer cells present. It is a big IF and there is still every possibility that there is no cancer and it's just a lesion or something. That's what it turned out to be for me. 


I can't stop him worrying, by the sound of he he's already thought himself into the worst case scenario.  All you can do is hang on in there until the biopsy is done and the results are back. The waiting only gets worse I'm afraid, if that's your husbands character then unfortunately there's not a lot anyone can do to make him feel better. 


Is he reading these posts? I'm sure he would at least understand things better if he was. Information is his best ally at this stage and might calm his nerves.


I was very calm and rational about what was happening to me, and it still upset my wife because I wanted to talk about the possible outcomes of me having cancer. She was scared of even thinking about such a possibility and wanted to wait until there was something definite to worry about. As a nurse she was probably right, "yes there's a knife handle sticking out of your shirt, but we don't know how big the blade is or even if it has gone in, so let's do an xray and see what that shows shall we...."


Just try to be patient and be there for him, I know it's hard but it's all you can do. Can he speak to his GP,  they may be able to allay some fears and may prescribe something to calm him. 


Mick. Xx


 

User
Posted 13 Mar 2025 at 17:06
Thanks Mick, you have certainly put my mind at rest. I will try and relay this to him tonight and let him read through. His main worries are that he wont be able to play cricket this year - thats been his life for over 50 years. You have really been a great help x
User
Posted 28 Mar 2025 at 16:51

Hi Guys, just a little update.


No appointment as yet for my husbands biopsi, hopefully he will receive an appointment soon.  I hate this ckoud hanging over us.  A bit of news though from the Prostrate Nurse at our local hospital, but only because he asked for a call to answer some worries he had.  She did mention that the MRI showed just over 3, not sure what this actually means but hope it isn't as bad as my husband thinks.  Has anyone had similar results?

User
Posted 28 Mar 2025 at 17:14

The MRI pi-rads 3 basically means the result is equivocal, they are not certain if it's cancer or not. The biopsy will be more informative.


Best of luck 🤞 

User
Posted 29 Mar 2025 at 08:54

Chris.  If I remember right a PIRADS score of three would not have triggered a biopsy at my NHS trust. So your husband is having his checked out with a biopsy that I wouldn't have been offered. 


That's better than not getting it checked and hopefully confirmed that it's not cancer, like mine was.


The numbers are a real pain. Some things are decimal points either way to trigger one thing, some can be literally in the thousands and some things seem to have very small range between "it's fine don't worry" and "holy crap you'd better get here quick"


Its just the way it is Im afraid, until someone comes up with a unified system that is easier to understand. 


Mick x


 

User
Posted 06 Apr 2025 at 21:09

Hi folks, so my husbands biopsi is on Friday 11th April, so not as long a wait as we first thought. Hoping that the results come through as quick as the results for his MRI.  


Trying not to worry, but it is hard.  Will update you as soon as I can.


Thank you all for so much support. xx

User
Posted 07 Apr 2025 at 03:05
The results of all tests and scans will be considered by the MST (Multi Disciplinary Team) but timing for this will depend on the number of cases they have to consider. When they determine the result the patent will then be advised of this and may be told what treatments are open to him as approriate. This would include just monitoring if radical treatment is not considered necessay for the time being. It is often the case that a patient will be given an appointment to discuss his case and where radical treatment is proposed may be asked to decide whether he prefers Surgery or Radiotheray (in most cases). It's not just the treatments but potential side effects that need to be considered. Sometmes a man will be invited to have appointments with a Urologist and also with an Oncologist to discuss radical treatments before a treatment decision is made. Unfortunately this adds time to the already drawn out process, so one step at a time.

Should significant cancer be identified, there are increasing ways it can be treated nowadays but twhat is decided will depend on a number of things applicable to a specific case.

Barry
User
Posted 14 Apr 2025 at 00:19
So my husband has his prostrate biopsy today (they moved his appointment from Friday) and the surgeon said that hu have something small but whatever it is it is contained so what does that mean? He told my husband not to worry (funnily enough they knew each other through sport). All jittery now as have to probably wait 20 days plus for the results. Many thankss

Chris

User
Posted 14 Apr 2025 at 07:29
Hi Chris
The comment that it is contained ,probably means that whatever they have seen on the MRI is contained within the prostate and has not spread outside of it into other parts of the body.This is good news and should potentially give more options for treatment if any is necessary or ongoing surveillance.Good luck today
John
 
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