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Posted 07 Mar 2025 at 21:50

Hello, I’m new to this forum and would just like to talk about treatment choices, pros and cons and experiences of other guys. I've been diagnosed with T3a tumour, Gleeson Scale 8 and my PAS count is 32. 
The tumour has burst out of the prostate, but has not went to my bones, lymph nodes or anywhere else in my body. I initially told the consultant I wanted the prostate removed, but in a recent conversation he suggested hormone and radiotherapy treatment might be a better course of action. If anyone can help with their experiences of both types, I would be very thankful. I know every body is different but I feel that hearing the experiences of others will help me and raise my spirits.

Thanks so much, Alan

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Posted 07 Mar 2025 at 21:50

Hello, I’m new to this forum and would just like to talk about treatment choices, pros and cons and experiences of other guys. I've been diagnosed with T3a tumour, Gleeson Scale 8 and my PAS count is 32. 
The tumour has burst out of the prostate, but has not went to my bones, lymph nodes or anywhere else in my body. I initially told the consultant I wanted the prostate removed, but in a recent conversation he suggested hormone and radiotherapy treatment might be a better course of action. If anyone can help with their experiences of both types, I would be very thankful. I know every body is different but I feel that hearing the experiences of others will help me and raise my spirits.

Thanks so much, Alan

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Posted 08 Mar 2025 at 00:54

I had a similar diagnosis (lower gleason but higher PSA).

I also went in initially saying I wanted it out, but they said it would be non-nerve sparing and I had less than a 50% chance of working, so I'd probably have to have radiotherapy immediately afterwards, so they recommended going straight for radiotherapy.

Oncology recommended HDR Boost, which is radiotherapy delivered partly as external beam, and partly as High Dose Rate brachytherapy. This gets a high dose boost into the prostate where the known cancer is, but also covers the area around the prostate where there may be micro-mets (mets too small to show on scans) which could cause recurrence. There was also the option to include all the pelvic lymph nodes "just in case" which I took, even though they didn't show on scans - there's a chance they might contain micro-mets. This is done at a lower radiotherapy dose than if there's known cancer there. This treatment is done with hormone therapy.

Only the main cancer centres offer HDR Boost, and if you're interested in this, you would need to ask for a referral to one, which might also mean further travel. You might be able to have the external beam radiotherapy done more locally, although it would be planned by the main cancer centre.

I had this treatment 5½ years ago, and it's worked very well so far. A couple of years ago, I told my oncologist I almost wouldn't know anything had been done. Obviously, I can't guarantee anyone else will be that lucky. Full details are in my profile.

Edited by member 08 Mar 2025 at 00:59  | Reason: Not specified

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Posted 08 Mar 2025 at 12:25

Thanks so much❤️

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Posted 08 Mar 2025 at 00:54

I had a similar diagnosis (lower gleason but higher PSA).

I also went in initially saying I wanted it out, but they said it would be non-nerve sparing and I had less than a 50% chance of working, so I'd probably have to have radiotherapy immediately afterwards, so they recommended going straight for radiotherapy.

Oncology recommended HDR Boost, which is radiotherapy delivered partly as external beam, and partly as High Dose Rate brachytherapy. This gets a high dose boost into the prostate where the known cancer is, but also covers the area around the prostate where there may be micro-mets (mets too small to show on scans) which could cause recurrence. There was also the option to include all the pelvic lymph nodes "just in case" which I took, even though they didn't show on scans - there's a chance they might contain micro-mets. This is done at a lower radiotherapy dose than if there's known cancer there. This treatment is done with hormone therapy.

Only the main cancer centres offer HDR Boost, and if you're interested in this, you would need to ask for a referral to one, which might also mean further travel. You might be able to have the external beam radiotherapy done more locally, although it would be planned by the main cancer centre.

I had this treatment 5½ years ago, and it's worked very well so far. A couple of years ago, I told my oncologist I almost wouldn't know anything had been done. Obviously, I can't guarantee anyone else will be that lucky. Full details are in my profile.

Edited by member 08 Mar 2025 at 00:59  | Reason: Not specified

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Posted 08 Mar 2025 at 07:35
Thanks so much❤️
User
Posted 08 Mar 2025 at 07:45

Hi Alan.

I'm sorry that you've had to join the club, but welcome to the forum, mate.

I was 65 years old when in August 2022, I  was diagnosed T3a N0, M0, Gleason 8 (3+5) later upgraded to 9 (4+5). My PSA was only 7.

The MDT recommended radiotherapy and hormone treatment, despite a surgeon saying he was happy to do robotic surgery. I was told by the surgeon that the operation would be non nerving sparing, that I would never get a natural erection again, and that there was a 60% chance of recurrence.

I took the surgery option and had the operation just over two-years ago. 

I had incontinence issues for about 5 months and cannot get a natural erection without the use of Invicorp injections. However, my PSA has remained undetectable. 

I think I made the right decision and I'm more than happy with the outcome. The problem is that individual recoveries seem to vary considerably. 

Whatever you chose, I wish you the best of luck, mate.👍

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Posted 08 Mar 2025 at 08:05
Thanks so much❤️
User
Posted 08 Mar 2025 at 10:59
Hi Alan

I am really sorry you found yourself here, just to let you know I was in a similar situation. I was diagnosed six months ago with Gleason 9 t3a no mo. My PSA was lower than yours at 8. I was put to the multidisciplinary team and had conversations with my urologist, surgeon and oncologist. The conversation with the surgeon wasn’t an easy one as I wanted it out however he strongly recommended against as the likelihood was that I would need radiation in addition in the future and didn’t want me having the side effects from the surgery at my age (47). Even at that point I still wanted to have surgery however after discussing with the oncologist took the decision to go with HDR brachytherapy, EBRT and 2 years of hormone treatment. I had the HDR brachytherapy at the end of Jan and completed the RT last week so just coming into the major side effects of fatigue but generally tolerated these quite well. Compared to a lot of people I feel I’ve been lucky (if you can call it that) that I seem to be tolerating the HT quite well and for me this is worse than the brachytherapy and RT. Some very low days and fatigue, loss in muscle mass but not had the hot flushes. I still ponder if I made the correct decision however only time will tell. The major decision to go down this route was as it may have breached the capsule the worry was for micro spread that could develop in the future. For me I thought the MDT knew better than me and I decided to go with that. On a brighter note I’ve seen success stories for both surgery and EBRT in our position. I wish you good luck.

User
Posted 08 Mar 2025 at 12:25

Thanks so much❤️

User
Posted 10 Mar 2025 at 01:53

Hi Alan,

I'm in the US. I was diagnosed last May (2024), T3a, psa 12.7. MRI showed "areas of gross extra prostetic extension". Biopsy came back gleason 4+5 (5%) but mostly 4+3. I'm 52 years old and am in good health otherwise. Met with surgeon and radiologist on the same day and surprisingly, BOTH recommended surgery so that's what I went with. During surgery, about 30% of my right nerve bundle was removed. All else was spared. Had catheter for 9 days. Was in the hospital for 3 days. Pain was minimal. Found myself getting winded easily for the first 2 weeks. Had only very minor incontinence for maybe 6-7 weeks and now 100% dry.

Remarkably, despite the partial nerve removal, I have NOT had any ED issues whatsoever. I was able to get a natural full erection the day after catheter removal (though I didn't have full sex for a couple of weeks). Again, I was in good health going into surgery, exercised regularly and had a healthy active sex life which may have helped with my outcome.

My surgery was in August. So far, my psa is undetectable. I'm happy with my results but would not necessarily push anyone to take the surgery route. It is a lot to go through so bottom line, go with whatever treatment you are most comfortable with. Good luck to you.

 

Mike

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Posted 10 Mar 2025 at 07:35
Hi Alan

Sorry to hear your news ,I was very similar to you ,except my PSA was a bit lower.

This decision is a very personal one ,there are pros and cons of either route.

In my case I was pleased to have the option of surgery ,I had it 6 weeks ago ,making a very good recovery so far with

All the expected side effects ,incontinence and ED .Whatever you decide I wish you the best of luck for a good recovery

And Healthy Happy Life.

You will find lots of useful information on this site to help with your ongoing journey.

Regards

John

User
Posted 10 Mar 2025 at 10:12

My diagnosis and treatment very similar to Spmcr and Andy62. Read my profile for more. I (like everyman) was inclined towards surgery, but if the MDT say otherwise it would be silly to ignore the experts.

Dave

 
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