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Posted 08 Apr 2025 at 14:38

Has anyone had any success with vitamin d supplements 

User
Posted 11 Apr 2025 at 12:55

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
I've not heard of any study suggesting vitamin D is specifically helpful either to reduce the risk of prostate cancer, or to speed recovery after treatment.

However quite a lot of medical experts seem to think that for people in the UK sunlight levels mean natural vitamin D is fairly marginal particularly in winter. Given I wanted to optimise other aspects of my health when recovering from treatment I personally decided to take standard multivitamins (recommended daily input of Vit D, not a high dose) but no idea whether I would have been worse off without it.

Plenty of studies have found correlations between lack of Vitamin D and prostate cancer risk, but the precise correlations have been more difficult to pin down. At Tackle Prostate's 2019 conference, Professor Tim Oliver presented some of these, but the most compelling cases seem to be the lack of Vitamin D during puberty specifically being related to increased risk of prostate cancer in later life. Puberty is the time when the prostate grows, so it's not surprising if it's particularly susceptible to the body's environment during that time, but perhaps less so or not at all after puberty.

I have often thought it may be worth looking for environmental factors specifically only during puberty when the prostate is growing., This might find more lifestyle correlations that seem to be directly linked to prostate cancer risk in later life, whereas conflating this with whole life exposure dilutes any correlation.

I'm not aware that Vitamin D has any link with curing or reducing recurrence once you have prostate cancer. Obviously, it's important for calcium absorption which is important for those on LHRH/GnRH hormone therapy medications, to avoid osteoporosis. With Vitamin D being an anti-oxidant, it might actually be a bad idea to take it during radiotherapy whose aim is to generate free radicals, but I suspect that the radiotherapy is so powerful compared with Vitamin D's anti-oxidant properties, that any effect from the Vitamin D is insignificant.

Quite a lot of people are told to come off multivitamins containing B12, because it's thought to cause cancer if you have too much. It's important to have enough B12, but it should only be taken under medical supervision while your levels are monitored so you stop taking it when you're in the normal range.

Edited by member 11 Apr 2025 at 12:57  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 27 Apr 2025 at 23:37

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
Read up about the 'your gut ' that has vit D3 and 'your phyto' supplements trail as positive for reducing PSA and stabilising (even reducing) PCa progression.

I take POMI-T which is the previous product, and for which there is a completed randomised control trial. I looked at the newer ones, but decided they were too expensive. Also, I can't remember the details now, but I recall thinking that POMI-T + cranberries + ginger = 'your phyto'. Since I have cranberries on my breakfast cereal, and I do snack on ginger sometimes, I thought I'd stick with POMI-T.

Of course, I will never know if it did me any good, other than costing me about £200/year.

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User
Posted 08 Apr 2025 at 17:26

Yes, my husband takes vitamin D Vitamin B12 & Vitamin K along with a number of other supplements. He is following a metabolic regime. 

Edited by member 08 Apr 2025 at 22:08  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 08 Apr 2025 at 23:14
Hi Nelly

I take Vitamin D daily. I'm sure you probably know this, but a lot of people don't, or aren't told, that you also need to take Magnesium Glycinate 3 in 1 complex in order to activate the Vitamin D, otherwise it simply doesn't work! I also take YourGutplus+ and YourPhyto. You can copy and paste this link to read about the scientific study on both supplements.

https://yourphyto.com/scientific-study

Best

Seb

User
Posted 09 Apr 2025 at 21:30
I've not heard of any study suggesting vitamin D is specifically helpful either to reduce the risk of prostate cancer, or to speed recovery after treatment.

However quite a lot of medical experts seem to think that for people in the UK sunlight levels mean natural vitamin D is fairly marginal particularly in winter. Given I wanted to optimise other aspects of my health when recovering from treatment I personally decided to take standard multivitamins (recommended daily input of Vit D, not a high dose) but no idea whether I would have been worse off without it.

User
Posted 10 Apr 2025 at 14:24

There is a leading oncologist who cannot be named here who recommends high levels of vitamin D, vitamin B & vitamin K. My husbands takes all three and other supplements. 

User
Posted 11 Apr 2025 at 12:55

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
I've not heard of any study suggesting vitamin D is specifically helpful either to reduce the risk of prostate cancer, or to speed recovery after treatment.

However quite a lot of medical experts seem to think that for people in the UK sunlight levels mean natural vitamin D is fairly marginal particularly in winter. Given I wanted to optimise other aspects of my health when recovering from treatment I personally decided to take standard multivitamins (recommended daily input of Vit D, not a high dose) but no idea whether I would have been worse off without it.

Plenty of studies have found correlations between lack of Vitamin D and prostate cancer risk, but the precise correlations have been more difficult to pin down. At Tackle Prostate's 2019 conference, Professor Tim Oliver presented some of these, but the most compelling cases seem to be the lack of Vitamin D during puberty specifically being related to increased risk of prostate cancer in later life. Puberty is the time when the prostate grows, so it's not surprising if it's particularly susceptible to the body's environment during that time, but perhaps less so or not at all after puberty.

I have often thought it may be worth looking for environmental factors specifically only during puberty when the prostate is growing., This might find more lifestyle correlations that seem to be directly linked to prostate cancer risk in later life, whereas conflating this with whole life exposure dilutes any correlation.

I'm not aware that Vitamin D has any link with curing or reducing recurrence once you have prostate cancer. Obviously, it's important for calcium absorption which is important for those on LHRH/GnRH hormone therapy medications, to avoid osteoporosis. With Vitamin D being an anti-oxidant, it might actually be a bad idea to take it during radiotherapy whose aim is to generate free radicals, but I suspect that the radiotherapy is so powerful compared with Vitamin D's anti-oxidant properties, that any effect from the Vitamin D is insignificant.

Quite a lot of people are told to come off multivitamins containing B12, because it's thought to cause cancer if you have too much. It's important to have enough B12, but it should only be taken under medical supervision while your levels are monitored so you stop taking it when you're in the normal range.

Edited by member 11 Apr 2025 at 12:57  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 13 Apr 2025 at 21:53

Hi,

It's a tough question about what can be called success with Vitamin D3 in relation to prostate cancer.  I doubt anyone can prove it unless they had very poor bloods from the beginning and achieved good bloods while slowing down cancer progression, and even that isn't really a proof.

All I know is it's claimed that in the UK we nearly all have Vitamin D deficiency in winter.   Vitamin D deficiency in extreme can cause rickets.  It's also claimed to improve bone density and the immune system, both of which could be helpful in fighting prostate cancer or bone mets in my opinion.   

Although there is Vitamin D in oily fish and eggs and other food.  So as well as not getting enough sun you'd need a poor diet.

I'm keen to have a good immune system and good bones so take D3 tablets especially as I wear a lot of suncream due to previous skin cancers.  I also eat a anti-inflammatory diet.  My psa is very slowly rising after the op 8 years ago.

I find that threads on diet get quite a lot of spam so beware links in posts.  Beware of links in all posts.  Report it if in doubt.

 

User
Posted 18 Apr 2025 at 21:45

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
.. the most compelling cases seem to be the lack of Vitamin D during puberty specifically being related to increased risk of prostate cancer in later life. Puberty is the time when the prostate grows, so it's not surprising if it's particularly susceptible to the body's environment during that time ...

That sounds logical, though I don't think there can have been many people setting up studies where vitamin D levels were accurately measured for a large representative population of boys in their early teens, and then that group followed up in their sixties and seventies. But if it is true, as you say it means there is no concern about taking a supplement when being treated for prostate cancer.

That suggestion about vitamin B12 seems curious. Given multivitamin tablets (I guess I can only speak for the ones I take, from Tesco) normally only contain vitamins at the recommended daily amount* - defined as the amount  needed to avoid deficiency symptoms - it seems unlikely that taking approximately twice that amount (assuming your normal diet already contains enough of that particular vitamin) would be significantly toxic. After all the variability between dietary intakes of healthy individuals (or even one individual depending on food availability/season) means the human body must be able to cope with a range of amounts above the minimum.

[*Now known as NRVs or Nutrient Reference Values, but I think they are essentially the same].

User
Posted 20 Apr 2025 at 20:16

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
That sounds logical, though I don't think there can have been many people setting up studies where vitamin D levels were accurately measured for a large representative population of boys in their early teens

You are right. The Vitamin D levels were estimated based mainly on estimated exposure to sunlight during teenage years. That can be done based on the activities of each teenager, where they lived, etc. Diet can also play a part.

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
That suggestion about vitamin B12 seems curious. Given multivitamin tablets (I guess I can only speak for the ones I take, from Tesco) normally only contain vitamins at the recommended daily amount* - defined as the amount  needed to avoid deficiency symptoms - it seems unlikely that taking approximately twice that amount (assuming your normal diet already contains enough of that particular vitamin) would be significantly toxic.

Well, people who take multivitamins don't live as long as people who don't. This came from a large US study. Again, this correlation doesn't imply causation. It could be that people who take multivitamins are sicker to start with and the multivitamins don't compensate, or it could be that the multivitamins are killing them sooner.

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User
Posted 21 Apr 2025 at 14:01
Multivitamins are usually full of poor bioavailable nutrients and when it comes to vitamin D they are basically useless as they have non therapeutic amounts.

If you are going to take a vitamin D supplement get a good quality one with K2 in it too.

Note if you are on blood thinners don't take any supplements without your docs approval.

User
Posted 22 Apr 2025 at 21:04

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
Well, people who take multivitamins don't live as long as people who don't.

That would make sense for me, I didn't start taking those multivitamins until I was recovering from treatment for prostate cancer. Being diagnosed, despite treatment, will presumably have worsened my life expectancy.

While I hoped the vitamins would optimise my recovery, there is no reason to assume they will have any effect on whether any residual cancer cells multiply.

So perhaps I should reduce my intake. But low sunshine exposure (vitamin D) in winter is still a risk, older age brings possible declines in others like vitamin E, we tend not so often to have red meat so I don't know how my B vitamins do, and following salvage radiotherapy I was found to be anaemic so ensuring my iron intake may be helpful. Life is a gamble!

User
Posted 24 Apr 2025 at 19:01

Diagnosed Gleason 6 in Feb, age 58, and now on active surveillance. 

Read up about the 'your gut+' that has vit D3 and 'your phyto' supplements trail as positive for reducing PSA and stabilising (even reducing) PCa progression. 

Gotta be worth a go I thought - so been taking for 6 weeks now, along with vit B12 that showed low levels at last MoT. Those along with upping the healthy diet and exercise just might work in my favour - but even if it doesn't I'll hopefully be far fitter to ride out any future treatments that may be needed.

A colleague also mentioned there was some evidence that low dose aspirin might also help placate PCa progression. But I've also been advised it can also neutralise the benefits of Turmeric which is a key ingredient in Your Phyto.

Keen to see what next PSA test says!

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User
Posted 24 Apr 2025 at 21:58
I take combined vitamin D3 and K2, daily but only diagnosed last month with Gleason 6, but psa of 1.47, so will know in June when I have my next psa whether it’s having any effect, Also take probiotics and high strength Korean Ginseng which I’ve been taking way before my diagnosis. I also heard Ginger, Turmeric and Green tea could be helpful, so have a cup of organic green tea and a cup of ginger and turmeric tea daily.
User
Posted 27 Apr 2025 at 23:37

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
Read up about the 'your gut ' that has vit D3 and 'your phyto' supplements trail as positive for reducing PSA and stabilising (even reducing) PCa progression.

I take POMI-T which is the previous product, and for which there is a completed randomised control trial. I looked at the newer ones, but decided they were too expensive. Also, I can't remember the details now, but I recall thinking that POMI-T + cranberries + ginger = 'your phyto'. Since I have cranberries on my breakfast cereal, and I do snack on ginger sometimes, I thought I'd stick with POMI-T.

Of course, I will never know if it did me any good, other than costing me about £200/year.

User
Posted 08 May 2025 at 22:50

What metabolic regime Leila?

User
Posted 09 May 2025 at 07:06

Yesterday when been given my prescription for apalutamide,my consultant told me to go to Boots and get some of their high strength vitamin D. 

Thanks Chris 

User
Posted 09 May 2025 at 07:17

My husband takes Yourgut Plus and Phyto Plus for which a recent trial has been completed and reported on. There is a thread on this forum about these supplements. The trial involved people with prostate cancer taking both supplements with a control group not taking the Yourgut plus. The vast majority of men taking the supplements  saw either no change in their condition ie no progression,  all participants had active prostate cancer,  or a reduction in their PSA and reduction in size of tumour when tumour viewed  by an MRI. In six patients their disease progressed and this was reflected by an increase in their PSA. For me this was very important because you do not want to be taking supplements that artificially reduce PSA levels but cancer growth continues as that completely negates the benefits of the supplements.

The study was undertaken by a consultant from Bedford, the same consultant involved in Pomi T and the conclusion was that Yourgut Plus and Phyto Plus are more effective than Pomi T.

Found the link see below.

 

https://www.urotoday.com/conference-highlights/asco-gu-2025/asco-gu-2025-prostate-cancer/158203-asco-gu-2025-gut-health-and-prostate-cancer-the-influence-of-a-specific-phytochemical-rich-food-capsule-plus-or-minus-a-probiotic-prebiotic-blend-on-symptoms-and-progression-a-randomised-double-blind-placebo-controlled-trial.html

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