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Posted 08 Apr 2025 at 14:55

My husband and I have just got back from the hospital after receiving his biopsy results. Unfortunately they were not what we wanted - they have shown cancer Gleason 3+4. The consultant has offered two options: robot assisted prostatectomy or hormone treatment followed by radiotherapy. I am in an absolute state of panic and would love to hear other people's experiences who have been in a similar situation. My husband is 62 and his PSA 5.5. 

Edited by member 08 Apr 2025 at 15:35  | Reason: Spelling error

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Posted 08 Apr 2025 at 16:41

Oh dear, I'm so very sorry to hear that. It's definitely not the news anyone wants to hear. 

I was lucky to be negative for any cancer after my biopsy so I can't take you any further along the journey that that.

But I know you will get a lot of support and advice from folk on here who have had to deal with the same things you are going through.

I hope that the treatment options open to him make sense and urged you to get as much advice as possible before choosing any particular course of treatment. 

At least the waiting and worrying is over, now you can take action to secure as good an outcome as possible for you both. 

Take care and be strong, you're not alone in this xx

User
Posted 08 Apr 2025 at 18:11

Breathe! Try to look at the positives. The MRI showed the cancer is contained and Gleason 3:4 although not what you wanted to hear could be an awful lot worse. PSA is not very raised although that is not always significant. You have options, you both need to take your time and research those options. Once you have decided on the course of treatment hopefully you will be one step closer to putting all this behind you.

User
Posted 08 Apr 2025 at 19:10
Yes as will probably be said a few times don't panic. I was 58 when diagnosed with T3b (slight spread to seminal vesicles) gleason 8 (later upped to 9)& PSA 21.

I'm not afraid to say I sort of panicked &wanted every treatment available by the following week. The oncologist/nurses said its fine you'll have plenty of time etc, based on my details of course. I didnt have to choose treatment though only treatment suggested was HT/RT. HT was started pretty quickly but RT didnt happen for 12 mo ths for couple personal reasons & Turp (part of prostate cut away).

Once I realised there was no rush (again in my circumstances)it was so much easier to 'accept'.

Peter

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Posted 08 Apr 2025 at 19:22

Hi, while a cancer diagnosis is a huge bombshell, your husband has been given a choice of two treatment options, this is a positive thing. The difficulty is weighing up the pros and cons of each treatment pathway. Both are not without challenges but many people are still here years after treatment. I am almost five and a half years post surgery and I'm still here getting on with my life. 

I'm assuming you have been given some leaflets to read on treatment. If not, there is some excellent reading material on this site. Also, you can call the number at the top of this page if you want to speak to someone. 

Good luck, 

Kev.

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Posted 08 Apr 2025 at 20:41

Hi Sheila,

As has been already said, don't panic! Easier said than done of course, but it sounds like you have an early diagnosis which puts the chances of curative treatment exceptionally likely.

You haven't given much detail regarding what the biopsy actually found and it may be that you didn't glean any more from your consultant meeting but if you're someone who wants to know as much as possible so that you can make a fully informed decision about what treatment is best, you might want to find out a little more info.
- How big is the prostate?
- How many cores did they take?
- How many of the cores were positive?
- Is it contained within the prostate?
- Was there any evidence of perineural invasion?
- What percentage of the 3 + 4 was pattern 4?
- What length was the cancer in the cores found to contain it?

The answers to these questions and a discussion about them with your consultant might make the treatment choice clearer.

I'm always surprised how few people on here seem to be offered the choice of Brachytherapy (BT). Perhaps that is the radiotherapy treatment you've been offered but I suspect you're more likely to have been offered EBRT?

Not everyone is a suitable candidate for Brachytherapy but if your husband is, I would definitely recommend adding it to the list of options - it's very minor surgery compared to RARP, has just as good success rates and  fewer side effects and recovery time. It also has better long term outcomes than EBRT.

Like I say, Brachytherapy isn't suitable for everyone (e.g. if you have a very large prostate or existing urinary function issues) but if you have a favourable diagnosis and aren't ruled out for other reasons, I would make sure I was talking to a urological surgeon about RARP, an oncologist about RT and a specialist onco or surgeon who does BT to get the complete picture. I wouldn't just be speaking to a single consultant urologist who probably specialises in RARP and who will resultingly likely favour that as the best option.

Of course not all hospitals offer BT but a quick google indicates that it is offered by some hospital(s) in your geographic area. If your consultant/consultant's centre doesn't offer it, you can ask your GP to refer you to a specialist/hospital that does for another opinion.

It's an awful lot to process and making a decision regarding treatment is probably the hardest part of all but you don't need to rush a decision in the next few days/weeks. Take some time to assimilate all the available information, get appointments/referrals to specialists in their respective field and you'll feel much happier and confident with your eventual decision and treatment.

All the best and good luck!
Paul

 

Edited by member 08 Apr 2025 at 20:44  | Reason: typos

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Posted 08 Apr 2025 at 22:00
It will take some time to sink in and work out what treatment options are best for your circumstances , I was diagnosed about 4 weeks ago also 3+4 and I am still changing my mind from one day to the next on treatment although am now more towards surgery to rid it completely, a good thread to read on surgery is Techguys story which is a few threads below yours
User
Posted 08 Apr 2025 at 23:33

Zoogirl, I was diagnosed at 62 with slightly worse stats than you husband. It hasn't been a straight forward journey for me but I am  just over 11 years on from diagnosis and not going anywhere anytime soon.

Thanks Chris 

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Posted 09 Apr 2025 at 00:48

The two treatments offered are those most frequently offered and both have pros and cons which the patient shoud carefully consider. There are other forms of treatment which mainly come under the description of Focal Therapy. It is not widely administered and sometimes has to be repeated but usually side effects are considerably less severe. A prerequisite is that a patient's histology, tests and scans need to be assessed by a Focal Specialist to ascertain whether he is a suitable candidate. Focal Therapy can be used as as a primary treatment or as a salvage treatment for failed RT. Examining this possibility would most likely delay treatment, particularly if surgery was your husband's final decision as surgeons normally have waiting lists. With Surgery the idea is to remove the Prostate, which is the opposite of Focal Treatment which aims only to anilalate the significant tumouts, thereby preserving function. It has to be said that Focal Treatment as with pther forms of treatment has it's failurers and successes, so also needs to be well considered before being chosen. There are other forms of Focal Therapy but the ones used most oftenin theUK are High Intensity Focal Ultrasound (HIFU) and Cryotherapy depending on the tumour location, with Nanoknife (Irreversable Electroporation) being a more recent alternative.

Edited by member 09 Apr 2025 at 00:50  | Reason: Not specified

Barry
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Posted 09 Apr 2025 at 01:36

Cancer a horrible word. However your husband diagnosis on the scale of this awful disease is at the better end. Given the low psa and Gleason score then the treatment being offered is most likely of curative intent. Obviously there are some exceptions.

On this forum there are lots of good news stories, mine included. I was PSA 8.7 with a Gleason score 3+4. Following RP I am still here and thus far no cancer detected.

Edited by member 09 Apr 2025 at 01:39  | Reason: Not specified

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Posted 09 Apr 2025 at 01:47
Oh right. I hadn't considered it being logistically not an option as I know many men think it worth travelling to London for treatment.

I travelled up from Devon to London for my two sessions of HIFU and on the first occasion they kept me in over night but on the second occasion because it was during height of Covid, they arranged to collect me by car early in the morning from Devon, gave me the HIFU and returned me home by car the same day.

Barry
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Posted 09 Apr 2025 at 21:07
Zoogirl, for many people - and especially for family - the word "cancer" produces an emotional reaction that gets in the way of responding constructively to what is actually a manageable situation. Your husband's situation is one which modern medicine can treat with a high degree of success.

The problem for you two is that both (robotic) surgery and HT/RT come with side effects, and your decision will need to take into consideration the impact of those side effects as well as the likelihood of eliminating the cancer. The fact that people in your situation (I was in the same nearly a decade ago) are offered two routes is because both have good success rates in terms of cancer.

The Prostate Cancer UK leaflets are an excellent resource, written by experts. As is this forum, though do remember that it tends to be under-represented in those whose outcome was so good they have simply got on with their lives and no longer post here. Your husband and you have to decide which treatment you are happy with, knowing there isn't a "right" solution simply because no one knows in advance which side effects your husband will (or won't) suffer from. Or whether he will be one of the unlucky ones where a little bit of remaining cancer causes a return which needs further treatment.

User
Posted 11 Apr 2025 at 09:39

Hi Zoogirl

I was 64 at diagnosis following a PSA of 4.89 and eventually T2b G3+4 with options for AS, RARP & Radiotherapy. As others have said, its not what you wanted to hear but I think I dodged a bullet as my psa was very marginal to be tested further and Gleason 3+4 could have been way worse.

Next step - breathe. What he hasn't got is a terminal cancer or indeed something that needs immediate treatment. Take your time and research the options, lots of advice here and from the nurses.

I had nerve sparing & neurosafe RARP 3 days ago and home now. 

Good luck to you both on your journey

Adam

User
Posted 11 Apr 2025 at 13:53

Hi Zoogirl,

As the others said don't panic 3+4 is treatable ,I had 3+4 in 2016 at the age of 70 i had the choice of Robotic removal or Brachytherapy and i took the Brachytherapy as i felt it had less side affects but many others may have taken the other option. Well i am 8+ years on and doing well . If you click on my avatar and scroll down a lot you can see my journey even if your other half is not going for that option. there are a lot of kind people on this site that will help and answer any questions you may ask going forward .

Good luck John .

User
Posted 12 Apr 2025 at 00:09

Hello Zoogirl

just wanted to send you good wishes. My husband is 71 and we are also in Nottingham. He was diagnosed as Gleason 6 just before Christmas, so is on active surveillance, but he also had a second biopsy today, to see if there is any additional cancer that the last biopsy didn’t pick up. Perhaps he was at City hospital this morning with your husband ! It’s an anxious time isn’t it? Sending you a virtual hug x 

User
Posted 12 Apr 2025 at 08:55

Zoogirl. 

Sorry for your situation,  time is a great healer and hopefully in 6 months or so you will be in a different place.

Definitely look to see if Ldr brachytherapy is an option as Big Stan and John said above, I'm 6 weeks on from the procedure and doing well.

It's another option if available to mull over.

Keep well.

Bryan

Edited by member 12 Apr 2025 at 08:57  | Reason: Typo

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Posted 08 Apr 2025 at 16:41

Oh dear, I'm so very sorry to hear that. It's definitely not the news anyone wants to hear. 

I was lucky to be negative for any cancer after my biopsy so I can't take you any further along the journey that that.

But I know you will get a lot of support and advice from folk on here who have had to deal with the same things you are going through.

I hope that the treatment options open to him make sense and urged you to get as much advice as possible before choosing any particular course of treatment. 

At least the waiting and worrying is over, now you can take action to secure as good an outcome as possible for you both. 

Take care and be strong, you're not alone in this xx

User
Posted 08 Apr 2025 at 18:11

Breathe! Try to look at the positives. The MRI showed the cancer is contained and Gleason 3:4 although not what you wanted to hear could be an awful lot worse. PSA is not very raised although that is not always significant. You have options, you both need to take your time and research those options. Once you have decided on the course of treatment hopefully you will be one step closer to putting all this behind you.

User
Posted 08 Apr 2025 at 19:10
Yes as will probably be said a few times don't panic. I was 58 when diagnosed with T3b (slight spread to seminal vesicles) gleason 8 (later upped to 9)& PSA 21.

I'm not afraid to say I sort of panicked &wanted every treatment available by the following week. The oncologist/nurses said its fine you'll have plenty of time etc, based on my details of course. I didnt have to choose treatment though only treatment suggested was HT/RT. HT was started pretty quickly but RT didnt happen for 12 mo ths for couple personal reasons & Turp (part of prostate cut away).

Once I realised there was no rush (again in my circumstances)it was so much easier to 'accept'.

Peter

User
Posted 08 Apr 2025 at 19:22

Hi, while a cancer diagnosis is a huge bombshell, your husband has been given a choice of two treatment options, this is a positive thing. The difficulty is weighing up the pros and cons of each treatment pathway. Both are not without challenges but many people are still here years after treatment. I am almost five and a half years post surgery and I'm still here getting on with my life. 

I'm assuming you have been given some leaflets to read on treatment. If not, there is some excellent reading material on this site. Also, you can call the number at the top of this page if you want to speak to someone. 

Good luck, 

Kev.

User
Posted 08 Apr 2025 at 19:26

Thank you for your reply. We called the Prostate Cancer UK nurse helpline this afternoon and the nurse we spoke to was very reassuring. She definitely put my mind at rest regarding treatment options and outlook. 

User
Posted 08 Apr 2025 at 20:41

Hi Sheila,

As has been already said, don't panic! Easier said than done of course, but it sounds like you have an early diagnosis which puts the chances of curative treatment exceptionally likely.

You haven't given much detail regarding what the biopsy actually found and it may be that you didn't glean any more from your consultant meeting but if you're someone who wants to know as much as possible so that you can make a fully informed decision about what treatment is best, you might want to find out a little more info.
- How big is the prostate?
- How many cores did they take?
- How many of the cores were positive?
- Is it contained within the prostate?
- Was there any evidence of perineural invasion?
- What percentage of the 3 + 4 was pattern 4?
- What length was the cancer in the cores found to contain it?

The answers to these questions and a discussion about them with your consultant might make the treatment choice clearer.

I'm always surprised how few people on here seem to be offered the choice of Brachytherapy (BT). Perhaps that is the radiotherapy treatment you've been offered but I suspect you're more likely to have been offered EBRT?

Not everyone is a suitable candidate for Brachytherapy but if your husband is, I would definitely recommend adding it to the list of options - it's very minor surgery compared to RARP, has just as good success rates and  fewer side effects and recovery time. It also has better long term outcomes than EBRT.

Like I say, Brachytherapy isn't suitable for everyone (e.g. if you have a very large prostate or existing urinary function issues) but if you have a favourable diagnosis and aren't ruled out for other reasons, I would make sure I was talking to a urological surgeon about RARP, an oncologist about RT and a specialist onco or surgeon who does BT to get the complete picture. I wouldn't just be speaking to a single consultant urologist who probably specialises in RARP and who will resultingly likely favour that as the best option.

Of course not all hospitals offer BT but a quick google indicates that it is offered by some hospital(s) in your geographic area. If your consultant/consultant's centre doesn't offer it, you can ask your GP to refer you to a specialist/hospital that does for another opinion.

It's an awful lot to process and making a decision regarding treatment is probably the hardest part of all but you don't need to rush a decision in the next few days/weeks. Take some time to assimilate all the available information, get appointments/referrals to specialists in their respective field and you'll feel much happier and confident with your eventual decision and treatment.

All the best and good luck!
Paul

 

Edited by member 08 Apr 2025 at 20:44  | Reason: typos

User
Posted 08 Apr 2025 at 22:00
It will take some time to sink in and work out what treatment options are best for your circumstances , I was diagnosed about 4 weeks ago also 3+4 and I am still changing my mind from one day to the next on treatment although am now more towards surgery to rid it completely, a good thread to read on surgery is Techguys story which is a few threads below yours
User
Posted 08 Apr 2025 at 23:33

Zoogirl, I was diagnosed at 62 with slightly worse stats than you husband. It hasn't been a straight forward journey for me but I am  just over 11 years on from diagnosis and not going anywhere anytime soon.

Thanks Chris 

User
Posted 09 Apr 2025 at 00:48

The two treatments offered are those most frequently offered and both have pros and cons which the patient shoud carefully consider. There are other forms of treatment which mainly come under the description of Focal Therapy. It is not widely administered and sometimes has to be repeated but usually side effects are considerably less severe. A prerequisite is that a patient's histology, tests and scans need to be assessed by a Focal Specialist to ascertain whether he is a suitable candidate. Focal Therapy can be used as as a primary treatment or as a salvage treatment for failed RT. Examining this possibility would most likely delay treatment, particularly if surgery was your husband's final decision as surgeons normally have waiting lists. With Surgery the idea is to remove the Prostate, which is the opposite of Focal Treatment which aims only to anilalate the significant tumouts, thereby preserving function. It has to be said that Focal Treatment as with pther forms of treatment has it's failurers and successes, so also needs to be well considered before being chosen. There are other forms of Focal Therapy but the ones used most oftenin theUK are High Intensity Focal Ultrasound (HIFU) and Cryotherapy depending on the tumour location, with Nanoknife (Irreversable Electroporation) being a more recent alternative.

Edited by member 09 Apr 2025 at 00:50  | Reason: Not specified

Barry
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Posted 09 Apr 2025 at 00:54

Hi Barry. My husband was told about HIFU, but unfortunately it isn't available in Nottingham where we live and would require a referral to a London hospital. Logistically this isn't an option that we could consider hence why there are only two options open to him. 

User
Posted 09 Apr 2025 at 01:36

Cancer a horrible word. However your husband diagnosis on the scale of this awful disease is at the better end. Given the low psa and Gleason score then the treatment being offered is most likely of curative intent. Obviously there are some exceptions.

On this forum there are lots of good news stories, mine included. I was PSA 8.7 with a Gleason score 3+4. Following RP I am still here and thus far no cancer detected.

Edited by member 09 Apr 2025 at 01:39  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 09 Apr 2025 at 01:47
Oh right. I hadn't considered it being logistically not an option as I know many men think it worth travelling to London for treatment.

I travelled up from Devon to London for my two sessions of HIFU and on the first occasion they kept me in over night but on the second occasion because it was during height of Covid, they arranged to collect me by car early in the morning from Devon, gave me the HIFU and returned me home by car the same day.

Barry
User
Posted 09 Apr 2025 at 21:07
Zoogirl, for many people - and especially for family - the word "cancer" produces an emotional reaction that gets in the way of responding constructively to what is actually a manageable situation. Your husband's situation is one which modern medicine can treat with a high degree of success.

The problem for you two is that both (robotic) surgery and HT/RT come with side effects, and your decision will need to take into consideration the impact of those side effects as well as the likelihood of eliminating the cancer. The fact that people in your situation (I was in the same nearly a decade ago) are offered two routes is because both have good success rates in terms of cancer.

The Prostate Cancer UK leaflets are an excellent resource, written by experts. As is this forum, though do remember that it tends to be under-represented in those whose outcome was so good they have simply got on with their lives and no longer post here. Your husband and you have to decide which treatment you are happy with, knowing there isn't a "right" solution simply because no one knows in advance which side effects your husband will (or won't) suffer from. Or whether he will be one of the unlucky ones where a little bit of remaining cancer causes a return which needs further treatment.

User
Posted 11 Apr 2025 at 09:39

Hi Zoogirl

I was 64 at diagnosis following a PSA of 4.89 and eventually T2b G3+4 with options for AS, RARP & Radiotherapy. As others have said, its not what you wanted to hear but I think I dodged a bullet as my psa was very marginal to be tested further and Gleason 3+4 could have been way worse.

Next step - breathe. What he hasn't got is a terminal cancer or indeed something that needs immediate treatment. Take your time and research the options, lots of advice here and from the nurses.

I had nerve sparing & neurosafe RARP 3 days ago and home now. 

Good luck to you both on your journey

Adam

User
Posted 11 Apr 2025 at 13:53

Hi Zoogirl,

As the others said don't panic 3+4 is treatable ,I had 3+4 in 2016 at the age of 70 i had the choice of Robotic removal or Brachytherapy and i took the Brachytherapy as i felt it had less side affects but many others may have taken the other option. Well i am 8+ years on and doing well . If you click on my avatar and scroll down a lot you can see my journey even if your other half is not going for that option. there are a lot of kind people on this site that will help and answer any questions you may ask going forward .

Good luck John .

User
Posted 12 Apr 2025 at 00:09

Hello Zoogirl

just wanted to send you good wishes. My husband is 71 and we are also in Nottingham. He was diagnosed as Gleason 6 just before Christmas, so is on active surveillance, but he also had a second biopsy today, to see if there is any additional cancer that the last biopsy didn’t pick up. Perhaps he was at City hospital this morning with your husband ! It’s an anxious time isn’t it? Sending you a virtual hug x 

User
Posted 12 Apr 2025 at 08:55

Zoogirl. 

Sorry for your situation,  time is a great healer and hopefully in 6 months or so you will be in a different place.

Definitely look to see if Ldr brachytherapy is an option as Big Stan and John said above, I'm 6 weeks on from the procedure and doing well.

It's another option if available to mull over.

Keep well.

Bryan

Edited by member 12 Apr 2025 at 08:57  | Reason: Typo

 
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