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PSA SIGNIFICANT INCREASE POST ERT

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Posted 24 Sep 2025 at 15:59

Well.....rather than 8-12 weeks, I today received a phone call offering PSMA PET this Friday, 5 weeks and 1 day after seeing the Oncology man. I accepted! 

If goes ahead (and I know can be last minute obstacles), then might be able to bring forward my next appointment with Specialist.

Still not 100% convinced I want to know (if I hadn't questioned GP's "normal" I wouldn't have!!), but will make inheritance planning etc easier, so on balance I shall proceed by the book.

Onward and downward....

Good luck all!

Dave.

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Posted 24 Sep 2025 at 22:38
Really glad to read you got this appointment. Hoping it provides clarity for a good treatment plan.
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Posted 26 Sep 2025 at 18:08

All to plan. PSMA PET Scan this afternoon. So much "easier" than MRIs, no discomfort, no stress.

Devil lies in the results!

Then, maybe, a difficult choice re treatment(s). Survival probability rates between 12 mths and 5 years AFAICT.

Do for me.

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Posted 29 Sep 2025 at 20:07

As advised contacted Oncology nurses (by text, seems gets quicker response than voice mail!) to inform them that Scan done  -  3-7 weeks earlier than estimated! Within an hour, phoned me and brought my appointment with Consultant forward from 8 Nov to 20 October. Sooner would be better but I  am still gaining time rather than losing more!

Nurse said "if Imaging working faster we'll have to up our game!".

Three weeks until I can map out  my future in any detail.

Onward........

Dave.

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Posted 14 Oct 2025 at 11:23

Small progress continues. Blood taken for testing yesterday, so Consultant should have the Scan and latest bloods when i see him next Monday. 

For once I shall not try to find bloods results (which may or may not be on NHS APP) in advance, but if same doubling rate as 12 mths to July then PSA will be 6-10. I'd rather have an extra 6 days of uncertainty than be tempted to simply abandon any and all medical intervention now on the basis of PSA numbers alone. Leave that decision until I have all the facts.

There may be some intervention that will buy me a year or so without unacceptable side effects.

Onward......

dave.

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Posted 14 Oct 2025 at 18:58

Dave, hope all goes well next week. Hopefully your results and meetings will give you reasons to be a bit more optimistic. 

Thanks Chris 

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Posted 14 Oct 2025 at 20:17

Thanks Chris. Not really a matter of optimism or otherwise. Simply realism and practicality. I do not intend to live, exist, just for the sake of it. Nor to spend money, which my kids could use, to no purpose.

dave.

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Posted 14 Oct 2025 at 21:46

Dave , I wasn't going to have surgery, but I did. Why would I have surgery I wasn't ill, why put myself through all those side effects. I wasn't got to have salvage RT pretty much the same reasons. I definitely wasn't going to have a lifetime on HT, but I have. I did reduce the dosage for a while and I am trying to get the balance of meds right. There is perhaps a big difference between being 77 & 74, I know I can't do what I could 3 years ago. You sound a lot more active than me. As I has said to others you can always stop the HT if it gets to much. I was hoping to be gone before I was 75 , something has changed that attitude in my head,not sure what.

CJ, another member on here had a similar out look , he even hopped off the anesthetic table. Hopefully he will come along with words of wisdom.

Take care .

Thanks Chris 

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Posted 14 Oct 2025 at 22:04

Thanks Chris -  all nicely put. Following extensive ERT, with COPD and at 77, surgery would be problematic. I have read only worth risking at Guys, London! Rightly or wrongly, I am very wary of chemo and would not accept it. I suppose because "no problem" last time, RT and/or HT would be an option if likely benefits.

Time will tell....

Regards, dave.

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Posted 15 Oct 2025 at 05:54

As you've said yourself, a slow rise is a good rise. 

Given the amount of time that's passed since your original treatment, you might well be able to have some form of focal therapy, without either HT or Chemo, if required. Old Barry is always the benchmark on this one.

Jules

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Posted 15 Oct 2025 at 08:44

Thanks Jules. Agree a slow rise would be good, but my doubling time over 12 months to 2 July in region of <3 months. My reading is that that is very far from "good". Indeed it is the indicator that most convinces me that the game's up!

A 2x time rate of say 12 months would certainly suggest do nothing or at worst HT.

dave

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Posted 15 Oct 2025 at 15:02

Dave, just for info after my PSMA at city my PSA did rise by 0.2, not sure why, perhaps just time and progression. After my other two PSMA scans using a different tracer the PSA did again rise quickly. It is now back to 0.04 since starting HT and hopefully the rises were a temporary effect of the tracer. 

Thanks Chris 

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Posted 15 Oct 2025 at 16:00

Thanks for onfo, Chris. If my doubling rate over the 12 months to end-June has remained constant for last 4 months (and it usually does) then mine will now be >6.0. 

Find out quite soon!

Rgds, dave.

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Posted 20 Oct 2025 at 17:26

Update. Saw consultant today. PSA 4.5, doubling time by my calc 5 months. Spread to pelvic lymphs, too many for SABR. None in gland so no point to RP.

No complicated decisions for me to make about what (if any) treatment.

Standard procedure. Bicalutamide tabs, 4 weeks starting today, decapeptyl injections, 1st at hospital next week, thereafter at GPs (that'll be hit and miss!). 

See consultant again in 6 weeks and then decide on HT alone, or with tabs, or with tabs and chemo.  He called it "single, double or triple". I THINK he favoured double, chemo held back for later. So do I.

Good bits, not bones. Bad bit doubling time and that one or more of positive lymphs on "pathway" from pelvic to abdominal area (last bit my reading of the Report).

Overall we agreed not good but could be worse. Guess I'll try the recommended, very much standard, route for 6 months and then reconsider. 

Some incidental findings of PSMA PET scan suggest life expectancy pretty limited anyway. 

Just hope HT side effects as benign as before and for 2 years after original RT treatment.

Onward but most definitely downward!

dave.

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Posted 20 Oct 2025 at 21:08

Dave, they have been practicing decapeptyl on me so they should know how to do them. The only strange thing is, you have you injection but can't book the next one because it is too far in the future. Thanks Chris 

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Posted 20 Oct 2025 at 21:25

Thanks Chris, did have1/4ly for  2 years at my "branch"  in Carlton. The booking timing is annoying and a couple of times no nurse on duty qualified to do that specific injection! 

At least I now have  a little certainty and "a plan" and it's a drug I've had before without any unacceptable side effects, so I'm in a better head place for however short a time.

dave.

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Posted 20 Oct 2025 at 23:43

I'm sorry to hear those results Dave. I guess you were anticipating them but it's still a shock. Sort of good news that you're ok with the drugs. 

Jules

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Posted 21 Oct 2025 at 08:45

^ Thanks, Jules. Yes, slightly on the worse side of what I was expecting. "Not good, could have been worse" sums it up I think. 

Clock ticking down, 12-24 mths to go I predict..... but would have been much the same irrespective of cancer.

My younger-self's life style was not conducive to longevity. 55 years ago none would have put money on my reaching 30! And when I finally quit the drink 22 years ago I was within a couple of months of death. 

Life is relative. The children's cancer ward is adjacent to Oncology Outpatients. Puts my experience into perspective -  I have no reason nor right to feel that I have been dealt a bad hand. Quite the contrary.

Best wishes to all,

dave.

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Posted 22 Oct 2025 at 10:05

Although neither the Consultant nor the scan report stated a "stage" nor define where I am on the ladder, I have now interpreted the "Results Report".

Clear enough. Many avid nodes well beyond immediate pelvic locale. So, Stage IV metastatic. Median survival time 2 years and presumably much of that miserable life quality. This will be my last Xmas.

Statistically seems about right. Of the 7 (male) people who I knew in my early teens and whose fate is known to me, 4 are dead, 3 of cancer (at 50, 60 and 72 - I will be at c.78). Add me in and that's 4 of 8. This proportion may of increase in the future. Only 1 of the 8 is in what might be termed "good health". 

At birth our life expectancy was c. <70. The current expectancy of +10 years at my 77 years seems a little bizarre! And yes I know that stats are very complex.

Good luck all, 

dave.

 

 

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Posted 22 Oct 2025 at 11:52

Hi again, Dave.

I'm also very sorry that your disease is metastatic.

I've just turned 69 years. According to a 'good book', I should 'pop me clogs' at three score plus ten. I wonder if prostate cancer was about back then? If so statisically at least one of the ten disciples must have had it.

I'd better make the best of the next twelve months.

Joking apart, mate. Like you, my debauchery should have seen me off years ago. All I can do, is hope that you, like many on here have done, make a mockery of Pca mortality statistics.

Good luck, mate.

 

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Posted 22 Oct 2025 at 11:58

^Adrian, thank you. As you say, I have had a good few bonus years! Must keep that to front of my thinking. 

Good luck to you also.

Regards, dave.

 
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