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A cautionary tale!

User
Posted 15 Nov 2025 at 22:54

Advanced prostate cancer, treated with an orchidectomy and daily apalutamide for almost 4 years.

You're doing well repeated my oncologist every three months, PSA remains less than 0.1.  However, I knew different - ever since Easter I've had new pains and problems. I kept asking for a new scan as my last was two years ago, but the oncologist couldn't allow this due to my excellent PSA levels. The problems, whilst intermittent, got worse and I kept asking for a scan. I even quoted the various final reports on the effectiveness of both apalutamide and enzalutamide - both of these noted that around 50% of participants had showed radiological disease progression without a PSA rise.

Fast forward to October when I was diagnosed with chronic constipation and given copious quantities of laxitive. Two weeks later I could take the pain no longer and spent 9 hours in A&E until they took at CT scan. No constipation, but a cancer growth was blocking a ureter, causing renal colic!  The urologists have given me a nephrostomy to save my kidney and alleviate the pain. They also did a PSA test to prove my point - yes it remains at less than 0.1!

The oncologist is very surprised! Has offered no apologies for letting me suffer for six months unnecessarily and allowing my cancer to progress for longer than necessary. I'm now awaiting 5 doses of radiation to hopefully shrink the cancer flare up, with the hope that then I might be able to have an internal stent rather than a nephrostomy wee bag on my leg!

So, I wasn't able to convince my oncologist that regular rescans should be taken, but perhaps with this cautionary tale you might all have better luck than me!

 

User
Posted 16 Nov 2025 at 19:25

Doctors and specialists are great, until they aren't. 

So far my experience of them is sketchy at best.

I fully appreciate their knowledge and skills,  but a little humility and humanity would go a long way for those I've met.

If you ever fancy a good read seek out The Nylon kid of the north by Philip Paris.

Follow his tortuous journey through the NHS to Harley street and private medicine after complaining of severe back pain. 

Every physio, doctor and specialist knew exactly what was wrong with him and how to cure it. But they were all wrong! From physiotherapy to traction he was tinkered with for years by people who trusted their training but did not listen to their patient. 

He was eventually found to have a kidney blood supply problem requiring a simple operation to correct. 

Doctors are dangerous people, their arrogance born of superior knowledge is their biggest downfall. That and the fact that they are seldom required to say sorry for anything. 

 

 

User
Posted 16 Nov 2025 at 08:37

It's great to see you again. I'm sorry to hear that you've had had further serious problems.

I remember your earlier conversation.

https://community.prostatecanceruk.org/default.aspx?g=posts&m=309728#post309728

I know its unlikely, but could it be possible that the urethral cancer may not be directly linked to your prostate cancer? 

Edited by member 16 Nov 2025 at 08:47  | Reason: Typo

User
Posted 16 Nov 2025 at 09:10

I have pondered this my friend had prostate cancer ,treated with Brachtherapy  , ten years later found to have colon cancer behind Prostate and now liver too but PSA has never risen ?

I was guessing if Prostate cancer had found a new home PSA would rise but maybe not .

  Mike 

User
Posted 16 Nov 2025 at 09:31

Hi John

Sorry to hear your issues,but I had a similar journey and still have issues regarding a blocked urethra,on diagnosis I had a double nephrostomy for 6 months as my kidney function was down to 12%,I've had issues in the last 12months with a lymph node blocking my right urethra so I have a kidney stent fitted,so please if you have any questions about this please let me know.

All the best phil 

User
Posted 16 Nov 2025 at 09:36

Hi

I believe the scan showed development from the prostate via the seminal vesicles to the ureter. However, how they can tell from the scans they briefly showed me I don't know.  I think I've read elsewhere that once you've got advanced prostate cancer, any other development elsewhere is counted as prostate cancer anyway.

User
Posted 16 Nov 2025 at 16:29
Nice to hear from you again John despite the circumstances. Sorry you are suffering. We started our journeys together I believe. I’m coming up to 5 yrs on Decapeptyl HT. My psa has risen steadily to 1.1 over this time. I’ve never been scanned in this 5 yrs. I still feel relatively ok but I’m aware most people in my group are getting seriously ill or sadly passing away. Good luck and fingers crossed for you
User
Posted 16 Nov 2025 at 20:53

This is indeed a cautionary tale. I well remember one of the talks given by the highly regarded Dr Kwon. in which he says "Don't Live and Die by PSA" and that he has seen a number of cases where men have had zero PSA but have developed widespread cancer. Different situation here but makes his point taken. An excellent video posted several times on this forum over the years but well worth watching. Imaging and radiation has greatly improved since it was made in 2014 but otherwise much relevance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60P98QLWf70

Hope they can sort you out John.

 

Edited by member 16 Nov 2025 at 20:57  | Reason: to highlight link

Barry
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Posted 18 Nov 2025 at 15:28

Hi John 

Sometimes used to get signs of blood in my nephrostomy bags but its to be expected.

Also have blood in my pee with the stent fitted but only after I've been on my bike or a good walk,again which is to be expected.

My advice is always drink plenty of water with the stent and the bag to keep the pipes well flushed.

You forget you have the stent after a week.

Good luck and hope this helps.

Phil 

 

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User
Posted 16 Nov 2025 at 08:37

It's great to see you again. I'm sorry to hear that you've had had further serious problems.

I remember your earlier conversation.

https://community.prostatecanceruk.org/default.aspx?g=posts&m=309728#post309728

I know its unlikely, but could it be possible that the urethral cancer may not be directly linked to your prostate cancer? 

Edited by member 16 Nov 2025 at 08:47  | Reason: Typo

User
Posted 16 Nov 2025 at 09:10

I have pondered this my friend had prostate cancer ,treated with Brachtherapy  , ten years later found to have colon cancer behind Prostate and now liver too but PSA has never risen ?

I was guessing if Prostate cancer had found a new home PSA would rise but maybe not .

  Mike 

User
Posted 16 Nov 2025 at 09:31

Hi John

Sorry to hear your issues,but I had a similar journey and still have issues regarding a blocked urethra,on diagnosis I had a double nephrostomy for 6 months as my kidney function was down to 12%,I've had issues in the last 12months with a lymph node blocking my right urethra so I have a kidney stent fitted,so please if you have any questions about this please let me know.

All the best phil 

User
Posted 16 Nov 2025 at 09:36

Hi

I believe the scan showed development from the prostate via the seminal vesicles to the ureter. However, how they can tell from the scans they briefly showed me I don't know.  I think I've read elsewhere that once you've got advanced prostate cancer, any other development elsewhere is counted as prostate cancer anyway.

User
Posted 16 Nov 2025 at 09:43

Thanks Phil

I'm still trying to work out how to sleep with a tube sticking out my back! I keep getting the occasional bleed in my tube, even when I don't think I've done anything very strenuous! Did you have this, does the inside of your kidney toughen up and stop bleeding eventually?

How are you finding the internal stent? I presume it's much more convenient to the nephrostomy? Any issues I should be aware of?

Thanks

John

User
Posted 16 Nov 2025 at 09:46
Really sorry to hear this. I hope the radiation can work wonders on this and that you can get the stent. And glad that you finally got the attention you deserved!
User
Posted 16 Nov 2025 at 11:34
Just a thought to ask about the possibility if you have developed Neuroendocrine prostate cancer (NEPC) which is much harder to determine. Hoping all goes well.
User
Posted 16 Nov 2025 at 16:29
Nice to hear from you again John despite the circumstances. Sorry you are suffering. We started our journeys together I believe. I’m coming up to 5 yrs on Decapeptyl HT. My psa has risen steadily to 1.1 over this time. I’ve never been scanned in this 5 yrs. I still feel relatively ok but I’m aware most people in my group are getting seriously ill or sadly passing away. Good luck and fingers crossed for you
User
Posted 16 Nov 2025 at 19:25

Doctors and specialists are great, until they aren't. 

So far my experience of them is sketchy at best.

I fully appreciate their knowledge and skills,  but a little humility and humanity would go a long way for those I've met.

If you ever fancy a good read seek out The Nylon kid of the north by Philip Paris.

Follow his tortuous journey through the NHS to Harley street and private medicine after complaining of severe back pain. 

Every physio, doctor and specialist knew exactly what was wrong with him and how to cure it. But they were all wrong! From physiotherapy to traction he was tinkered with for years by people who trusted their training but did not listen to their patient. 

He was eventually found to have a kidney blood supply problem requiring a simple operation to correct. 

Doctors are dangerous people, their arrogance born of superior knowledge is their biggest downfall. That and the fact that they are seldom required to say sorry for anything. 

 

 

User
Posted 16 Nov 2025 at 20:53

This is indeed a cautionary tale. I well remember one of the talks given by the highly regarded Dr Kwon. in which he says "Don't Live and Die by PSA" and that he has seen a number of cases where men have had zero PSA but have developed widespread cancer. Different situation here but makes his point taken. An excellent video posted several times on this forum over the years but well worth watching. Imaging and radiation has greatly improved since it was made in 2014 but otherwise much relevance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60P98QLWf70

Hope they can sort you out John.

 

Edited by member 16 Nov 2025 at 20:57  | Reason: to highlight link

Barry
User
Posted 18 Nov 2025 at 15:28

Hi John 

Sometimes used to get signs of blood in my nephrostomy bags but its to be expected.

Also have blood in my pee with the stent fitted but only after I've been on my bike or a good walk,again which is to be expected.

My advice is always drink plenty of water with the stent and the bag to keep the pipes well flushed.

You forget you have the stent after a week.

Good luck and hope this helps.

Phil 

 

 
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