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Posted 26 Nov 2025 at 09:07

Had first appointment yesterday at Oncology. Very brusque.

Husband give 4 weeks of Bicalutamide and told to book gp appt for ADT injections. 

Plan is 6 months, then radiotherapy,  then 2-3  years on ADT. V. A cure was mentioned as aim.

He was G8 confined to prostate except for 1 lymph node. 

I found this terrifying. 

Has anyone gone down this route? Can you say a few encouraging words please 🙏 

User
Posted 26 Nov 2025 at 15:00

You are more than welcome, there are many people on here who can give great advice and experience, so ask away. They helped me when I was at a similar point to you and your husband

 

All the best

John

 

User
Posted 26 Nov 2025 at 18:59
The bicalutimide is given before the HT implants etc to, I understand, prevent any flare when HT started, a normal process although everything not actually normal.

I started as G8 T3b slight sprrad to seminals. Upped to G9 after I had bit of prostate cut away (TURP) to aid urine flow. My treatment plan was 3yrs HT (Zoladex implant every 12 wks) and 32 sessions of RT. I had abiraterone,enzalutimide,prednisolone included on trial).

I actually didnt start RT until 12months after HT started, generally its around 6 months which allows the HT to have an effect. The delay was due to personal reasons, marriage etc, oncologist perfectly happy with that as HT doing its job. This highlighted the, in normal circumstances, that once treatment started theres no rush, providing HT working, once I got this in my head it was easier.

I did get probably all side effects re HT - fatigue, sleep issues, weight gain, muscle/bone aches/weakness, depression, hot flushes, total lack of libido etc whilst trying to stay a bit active. All basically expected and didnt really worry me as they'd go after treatment. I sought help from gp with the depression and acupuncture helped with hot flushes. Things returned to 'normal' a while after treatmet stopped.

RT wasnt too bad really, think it added to fatigue and did have a bit of bladder issues, frequency and bowel issues leadi g to a coup!e of accidents when out, embarrassing but never mind. Immodium did help when planning on being out a while. Bowels returned to normal.

My treatment started Oct 2015 last HT implant summer 2018. Something like 12-18 months after HT finished they will use PSA reading as the Nadir and use that as the benchmark for any changes.

My Nadir was 0.5 and aprart from one that was 0.55 every one has been below 0.5, my latest last week was 0.33.

So HT/RT has worked for me and ive been fortunate up to now anyway.

Hopefully you'll be able to settle down once into the treatment regime and realise everything being done, easier said than done obviously.

Peter

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Posted 26 Nov 2025 at 21:33

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
I've read some frightening things that i think ill just stick to positives . One thread I saw was women whose husbands wouldn't even look at them or touch them. I think it's some sort of aversion. I think that would be the most awful thing

These drugs can completely remove libido and while that plays a part in our relationships, there's a lot more to them than just sex drive. I would take a guess that the case you refer to was not a good relationship to start with. Even if the desire for sex disappears, it's still important emotionally to keep the physical contact alive with touching, hugging and kissing. 

The loss of libido must be hard to understand for an onlooker and it's pretty weird when it happens to you. I spent about a week early on, almost amused and certainly amazed by suddenly being an outsider to life which includes sex drive. It's such a big part of everyday life. I'd suggest losing libido does not equate to causing an "aversion" and aside from the excision of libido and the challenges of dealing with ADT and cancer, your husband is still the same person.

That said, dealing with pc is as hard for you as it is for him so I wish you both well.  While it feels as though it's going on forever, this treatment does come to an end and if you follow John's advice above, it will help both with getting through and bouncing back from the treatment when it's complete.

Jules

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Posted 26 Nov 2025 at 23:27
Antoinette, there are different drugs working in different ways. The ones usually give by injection (I had goserelin/Zoladex) work on the pituitary gland to stop someone producing testosterone. Bicalutamide (pills) block the effect of testosterone on tissues, including the prostate where it is needed for cancer cells to keep dividing. The reason they give bicalutamide first is that the injection ones cause wild swings in testosterone in the first week or so, and taking bicalutamide as you start another drug stops those side effects.

You have shared your fears in previous threads. From my reading, bicalutamide is more likely to have side effects while taking it (hot flushes, breast tissue problems) but the body recovers more quickly when someone comes off it. The injection ADT is more easily tolerated, but return to normal testosterone is not as easy. There is scientific evidence that the longer you are on ADT the less likely you are to get full recovery.

Obviously my experience is just one person (your oncologist will probably have knowledge of hundreds). But for me with Zoladex the side effects were tolerable given the importance of the treatment; a general decrease in libido (but not a dislike of cuddles), a drop in energy, and over time a loss of body hair. However I have been one of the unlucky ones where testosterone recovery afterwards was only partial, and I am exploring supplementation with the doctors.

One question is how long your husband is due to take ADT, because the longer it the time the bigger the risk to recovery. As I said in a post on a previous thread, the best scientific evidence is for taking it before radiotherapy because it makes the cancer cells more vulnerable. However if the oncologist thinks your husband has a risk of some individual cancer cells having spread beyond the prostate region targetted by radiotherapy, s/he may want your husband to keep taking ADT for a year or more afterwards. The rationale is that ADT itself causes cancer cells to die eventually, possibly because they have existed for their normal "lifespan" without having had the testosterone signal to divide. Neither the doctor nor you want surviving cells that cause a recurrence.

All you can do is talk to the oncologist every time you visit about the balance between zapping the cancer and maintaining your quality of life as a couple. It is a balance of risk and benefit. Right now my wife would prefer me to have higher testosterone, but not at the expense of the cancer returning, and we are having to work on this.

User
Posted 27 Nov 2025 at 18:30
A light hearted comment re side effects of HT highlighti g a positive aspect, for me with Zoladex anyway, loss of body hair etc meant big decrease in need to shave and I dont like shaving but dont like facial hair, also hardly anyneed for deoderant.

Peter

User
Posted 28 Nov 2025 at 08:54

that and tissues, have I gone to far? I'll get my coat

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User
Posted 26 Nov 2025 at 11:18

Hi Antoinette, welcome to the forum and you will find lots of support here.  This is a perfectly standard approach  for treatment just a shame when it is a bit brusque and when everything seems to happen at once.  If your husband's PSA levels come down very quickly on the ADT that is a great sign he is responding well to treatment. Try to get the ADT injections on GP prescription renewals and it should all go to plan.  We had a bit of a battle to get them from the GP at first but a letter from Oncology to the GP sorted that out eventually. Good luck and keep asking questions.  

User
Posted 26 Nov 2025 at 12:05

Hi Antoinette,

I went this route (2 years of ADT in total), I was Gleason 3+4 T3b (so it had progressed into seminal vesicles), I was worried what the side effects would be like.

Radiotherapy

I found I was up in the night more frequently 3/4 times for a wee. This started towards the end of radiotherapy and for about 3 months after I'd finished. Wet farts were also a thing but I never felt concerned I wasn't going to make it to a toilet, again that stopped a few months after RT finished. I worked right through, and never felt any extra fatigue during the day, though nodded off more easily in the evening, this could be the ADT as still have no problem dosing off in front of the tele!

ADT

Peoples experience of this seem to vary greatly. My side effects are loss of libido and everything that goes with that, was prescribed tadalafil and a VED device, an appointment for this took quite a few months. I've gained weight round my middle and lost muscle, hot flushes have been very mild and again I've worked through with no real problem. I would suggest doing some resistance weights and/or going for walks if you can, this can help protect you bones and reduce muscle loss

I've recently signed up for a 12 week exercise class (for those recovering from cancer) which has helped greatly with my energy levels.

 

I was also put on 1000mg calcium tablets again to help protect bones, so worth asking about them if they've not been mentioned

 

All in all I've found ADT very manageable, that's not to say I'm not looking forward to being off the stuff in 7 months time!

 

 

All the best

John

User
Posted 26 Nov 2025 at 12:33

Thank you for that.  He's booked his injection for next Tuesday. Is taking Bicalutamide first. 

Very overwhelming.

Did you find anything helped you cope with side effects? 

User
Posted 26 Nov 2025 at 13:15

It is very overwhelming, however once I started I felt a lot better, I think a lot of it was the unknown. I do remember sitting with the first Bicalutamide tablet in my hand thinking this is it, no turning back! Mentally now I'm so much better, I went into the radiotherapy with no trepidation either, I think because I knew all this is to get rid of the cancer and hopefully cure.

To help avoid side effects I quit caffeine and alcohol before starting radiotherapy and spicy food at least during weekdays when my sessions were. Some one on here said broccoli was their nemesis!

For the ADT I started doing daily walks with my wife, and generally trying to eat more healthily, less snacks etc to avoid putting too much weight on. I think resistance weights/bands and walks are the best thing to try and keep up from an energy point of view and reduce muscle loss.

Thinking back I did also get achy elbow joints, this has stopped, but can't remember exactly when!

I do now have a drink every so often, less though than before, more out of personal choice rather than any issues it was causing, same with caffeine.

My injections are Zoladex, first one was a 4 week version just to see how I got on with it, then changed to every 12 weeks. The other one offered in other areas is Prostap, I think pretty much the same.  All my injections have been at the GP, handy as it's only 5mins walk from me verses a 20min drive to the hospital.

I didn't really notice any change in the first few months, loss of libido was probably the first.

User
Posted 26 Nov 2025 at 13:30

Husband has requested 4 week one first. Hopefully that works out. Sounds very similar  

I really appreciate you taking time to share this. It's helping me process it a lot 

User
Posted 26 Nov 2025 at 15:00

You are more than welcome, there are many people on here who can give great advice and experience, so ask away. They helped me when I was at a similar point to you and your husband

 

All the best

John

 

User
Posted 26 Nov 2025 at 18:59
The bicalutimide is given before the HT implants etc to, I understand, prevent any flare when HT started, a normal process although everything not actually normal.

I started as G8 T3b slight sprrad to seminals. Upped to G9 after I had bit of prostate cut away (TURP) to aid urine flow. My treatment plan was 3yrs HT (Zoladex implant every 12 wks) and 32 sessions of RT. I had abiraterone,enzalutimide,prednisolone included on trial).

I actually didnt start RT until 12months after HT started, generally its around 6 months which allows the HT to have an effect. The delay was due to personal reasons, marriage etc, oncologist perfectly happy with that as HT doing its job. This highlighted the, in normal circumstances, that once treatment started theres no rush, providing HT working, once I got this in my head it was easier.

I did get probably all side effects re HT - fatigue, sleep issues, weight gain, muscle/bone aches/weakness, depression, hot flushes, total lack of libido etc whilst trying to stay a bit active. All basically expected and didnt really worry me as they'd go after treatment. I sought help from gp with the depression and acupuncture helped with hot flushes. Things returned to 'normal' a while after treatmet stopped.

RT wasnt too bad really, think it added to fatigue and did have a bit of bladder issues, frequency and bowel issues leadi g to a coup!e of accidents when out, embarrassing but never mind. Immodium did help when planning on being out a while. Bowels returned to normal.

My treatment started Oct 2015 last HT implant summer 2018. Something like 12-18 months after HT finished they will use PSA reading as the Nadir and use that as the benchmark for any changes.

My Nadir was 0.5 and aprart from one that was 0.55 every one has been below 0.5, my latest last week was 0.33.

So HT/RT has worked for me and ive been fortunate up to now anyway.

Hopefully you'll be able to settle down once into the treatment regime and realise everything being done, easier said than done obviously.

Peter

User
Posted 26 Nov 2025 at 20:31

Thank you for that.  I've read some frightening things that i think ill just stick to positives . One thread I saw was women whose husbands wouldn't even look at them or touch them.  I think it's some sort of aversion. I think that would be the most awful thing I can imagine. I'm now dreading that.. I think I'm over thinking things 

User
Posted 26 Nov 2025 at 20:53

I think this is why I feel so stressed. He's only had 2 tablets and the future is unknown. I'm terrified he won't event want to hold me let alone anything else. I think I'm catastrophising. 

User
Posted 26 Nov 2025 at 21:33

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
I've read some frightening things that i think ill just stick to positives . One thread I saw was women whose husbands wouldn't even look at them or touch them. I think it's some sort of aversion. I think that would be the most awful thing

These drugs can completely remove libido and while that plays a part in our relationships, there's a lot more to them than just sex drive. I would take a guess that the case you refer to was not a good relationship to start with. Even if the desire for sex disappears, it's still important emotionally to keep the physical contact alive with touching, hugging and kissing. 

The loss of libido must be hard to understand for an onlooker and it's pretty weird when it happens to you. I spent about a week early on, almost amused and certainly amazed by suddenly being an outsider to life which includes sex drive. It's such a big part of everyday life. I'd suggest losing libido does not equate to causing an "aversion" and aside from the excision of libido and the challenges of dealing with ADT and cancer, your husband is still the same person.

That said, dealing with pc is as hard for you as it is for him so I wish you both well.  While it feels as though it's going on forever, this treatment does come to an end and if you follow John's advice above, it will help both with getting through and bouncing back from the treatment when it's complete.

Jules

User
Posted 26 Nov 2025 at 23:27
Antoinette, there are different drugs working in different ways. The ones usually give by injection (I had goserelin/Zoladex) work on the pituitary gland to stop someone producing testosterone. Bicalutamide (pills) block the effect of testosterone on tissues, including the prostate where it is needed for cancer cells to keep dividing. The reason they give bicalutamide first is that the injection ones cause wild swings in testosterone in the first week or so, and taking bicalutamide as you start another drug stops those side effects.

You have shared your fears in previous threads. From my reading, bicalutamide is more likely to have side effects while taking it (hot flushes, breast tissue problems) but the body recovers more quickly when someone comes off it. The injection ADT is more easily tolerated, but return to normal testosterone is not as easy. There is scientific evidence that the longer you are on ADT the less likely you are to get full recovery.

Obviously my experience is just one person (your oncologist will probably have knowledge of hundreds). But for me with Zoladex the side effects were tolerable given the importance of the treatment; a general decrease in libido (but not a dislike of cuddles), a drop in energy, and over time a loss of body hair. However I have been one of the unlucky ones where testosterone recovery afterwards was only partial, and I am exploring supplementation with the doctors.

One question is how long your husband is due to take ADT, because the longer it the time the bigger the risk to recovery. As I said in a post on a previous thread, the best scientific evidence is for taking it before radiotherapy because it makes the cancer cells more vulnerable. However if the oncologist thinks your husband has a risk of some individual cancer cells having spread beyond the prostate region targetted by radiotherapy, s/he may want your husband to keep taking ADT for a year or more afterwards. The rationale is that ADT itself causes cancer cells to die eventually, possibly because they have existed for their normal "lifespan" without having had the testosterone signal to divide. Neither the doctor nor you want surviving cells that cause a recurrence.

All you can do is talk to the oncologist every time you visit about the balance between zapping the cancer and maintaining your quality of life as a couple. It is a balance of risk and benefit. Right now my wife would prefer me to have higher testosterone, but not at the expense of the cancer returning, and we are having to work on this.

User
Posted 27 Nov 2025 at 06:59

Hi I found your reply echoes how we feel really well. I feel quite let down by the doctor and the nurse we saw. We both expressed concern about loss of sex life. It's who we are as a couple. On hindsight they should have referred us then. They brushed it aside.  

We have come up with a plan. Although he may not feel desire, his brain will know he wants to give me pleasure. I want to do the same for him, which may be bit more difficult. 

We are buying a pump today, He knows he has to keep the tissues healthy so he knows he needs to give that a try. He's good at walking and perseverance,  he's walked the coast to coast , so I know he'll put in the effort. We're so lucky to live in the countryside with walks from the backdoor. Also opposite us is the playing field which recently had a running track put in all the way round the perimeter with exercise machines at intervals. He's also made contact with a trainer who can do it remotely and is thinking of 10 weeks x  twice a week 30 mins.

We can't do more. 

Yes I feel guilty for worrying about this when most of all I want the treatment to succeed.  But I can't override this. It's just my nature 

 

User
Posted 27 Nov 2025 at 18:30
A light hearted comment re side effects of HT highlighti g a positive aspect, for me with Zoladex anyway, loss of body hair etc meant big decrease in need to shave and I dont like shaving but dont like facial hair, also hardly anyneed for deoderant.

Peter

User
Posted 27 Nov 2025 at 21:30

Thank you for that thoughtful encouraging reply. It really helping. We are so close. Yes he is the same and all this is keeping him as healthy as possible. 

Thank you 

User
Posted 28 Nov 2025 at 08:39

Oooh yes, same here on the deodorant! I don't think I seen that mentioned before. There's some money saved there 🤣

User
Posted 28 Nov 2025 at 08:54

that and tissues, have I gone to far? I'll get my coat

User
Posted 28 Nov 2025 at 12:24

A light hearted reply back, I've always hated men with hairy chests! Husband has lively smooth skin already! 🥰

User
Posted 28 Nov 2025 at 21:01
My experience too, a quite gradual loss of body hair till I was bald below the neck. And my wife reported that my usual body odour had changed to "like a digestive biscuit". (Yes, I found the description weird too).

Then when off ADT the slow return of body hair started in the pubic region and spread upwards.

User
Posted 28 Nov 2025 at 22:27

Very much the same schedule, tablets, 12-weekly decapeptyl injections starting about 4 months before 20 EBRT sessions ending early August 2021. I cycled every day of the RT and continued to do so for the 2 years following. Apart from usual ED no real side effects, sort of cured with meds and pump once HT ended, but then I am 77 and my gf is vary understanding.

Very little disbenefits given 4 years it bought me. 

Be sure that GP understands their role in continuing to check PSA. Mine didn't and disappointingly I now have recurrence  -  bad as mine not common but I did start from a very bad base in Gleeson and PSA terms. HT restarted.

Stay close, talk when your fella wants, keep all as normal as possible, celebrate all good news, a holiday when RT ends....

You ain't suddenly different people.

Good luck and best wishes to you both.

Dave.

 

 

 
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