I was just going to make the same point, Peter.
It seems that an accurate initial Gleason score does not increase in grade. However, it's quite common for biopsies to miss higher grade cancer cells. Which is why, Gleason grades are often upgraded after surgery, where the prostate can be more thoroughly examined.
In Jules case, it may have been better to have further diagnostic procedures when his PSA was getting close to the 6.5 abnormal range. His Gleason would most likely still have been Gleason 9 (4+5) but the spread may have been less, or even still prostate confined.
If you look at my bio you'll see that I was initially diagnosed Gleason 6, prostate confined, T2c. I went on active surveillance for 2 years, which eventually showed that the disease had progressed. I had surgery and ended up Gleason 9 (4+5), capsular breach T3a.
I've obviously done a lot of research on why this could have happened! I've eventually put it down to the consultant who did the initial biopsy, being an awful darts player, missing all the higher numbers. 😁
I put the unseen and unrestricted growth of my underrated tumours down to the poor monitoring on my active surveillance. Due to 'clerical errors' my follow up MRI was almost 18 months later than it should have been.
Having said that, my PSA didn't help much either. Despite my 'significant disease progression', my PSA checks, didn't ring any alarm bells and just kept fluctuating at 5-7 levels.
C'est la vie. 🙂
Getting back to Gleason scores. Although a 'true' Gleason score shouldn't get higher, apparently it is possible that multiply lesions could all have different grades. My second biopsy showed this. I had multiple tumours ranging from 7 (3+4), 7(4+3), 8 (4+4) to 8 (3+5) apparently you're given the highest score, which in my case was 8 (3+5), because it contained a 5. None of this really mattered, because once they examined to removed prostate, it was all upgraded to Gleason 9 (4+5) 🙂
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