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Posted 14 Oct 2026 at 22:23

Hi,

I've very recently been diagnosed (Gleason 4+4, CPG5) and am being lined up for open beam radiotherapy in Glasgow. A long-standing eye condition makes inflammation, even in my lower body cavity, dangerous to my remaining eyesight. I've been frantically reading for the last few days and I think HIFU might be a safer option for me - assuming it's suitable in my case. Is there anywhere I could get it without needing to be on a clinical trial? I'm told there are a few specialist centres but I can only find ones in London and Oxford. 

Any thoughts would be much appreciated. It would be good to be forearmed before meeting my oncologist.

 

 

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Posted 15 Oct 2026 at 23:28

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
My problem is that it looks like open beam radiotherapy will create so much inflammation in my body that it will seriously damage my reduced and delicately-balanced vision. I'd prefer a shorter life being able to see, rather than a longer one being blind. Currently I'm thinking I might take just the hormone therapy (which starts tomorrow), letting Stage 3b become stage 4, and hoping I'll be lucky managing the metastases.

Hi again, Bret.

As I said earlier, mate, I'm not medically trained, but I'm sure there must be curative treatments available for your T3b prostate cancer which will not risk worsening your eye condition.

In your other conversation you mentioned:

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
An MDT that met this morning has taken RALP off the table. They seem to have reached the same conclusion I was rapidly getting to: that my eyesight would be lucky to survive the operation, let alone the recovery. So it's hormone treatment on Friday, followed by external beam radiotherapy, if I think it's safe enough.

It's rare, but not unknown, to have surgery on T3b disease. Even when surgery is used in cases of T3b, it's usually backed up with radiotherapy and HT. In that conversation they appear to have considered RALP, and only ruled it out because it's done in the Trendelenburg position, where you're lying tilted with your head tilted below your feet. I can understand why that might put additional pressure on your eyes, and why it might not be a suitable treatment option.  However, if that's their only concern, why aren't they considering open surgery where your body is level during the operation. 

It seems they are happy to proceed with EBRT and HT, which is the standard way of treating T3b PCa.

If that's the case, who has warned you that your scheduled external beam radiotherapy may affect your eyesight?

Please don't get me wrong, Bret. I don't know all the facts, but from what you've said, I am simply questioning what you've apparently been advised. 

Of course there are risks in all treatments. I know EBRT can cause urinary, bowel, and other problems. However, because it's a  treatment directed at specific areas these problems are usually confined to those areas.

I'm just a bloke who's had PCa and took an interest in the disease. However, I've never heard of EBRT causing or exacerbating eyesight problems. I would at least double check the further lose of vision concern, before rejecting curative treatments and increasing the risk of prostate cancer metastasis.

Edited by member 16 Oct 2026 at 08:57  | Reason: Additional text

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Posted 16 Oct 2026 at 10:21

Adrian,

I really appreciate the thought you're putting into this. I hadn't thought of the open surgery option but it's definitely worth considering.

You deserve a bit of background. I've had congenital glaucoma all my life and my one remaining eye is battered, fragile and contains bits that normal eyes don't. For the last 20 years my major vision loss has been from a condition called cystoid macular oedema (CMO or CME in the US), which is where fluid pools within the layers of the retina. In the short term it makes vision very fuzzy. In the longer term it usually resolves, but in my case the vision never quite gets back to what it was. The longer the attack lasts, the greater the vision loss is likely to be.

The Trendelenburg position is a no-go for my eye since it can cause catastrophic vision loss even in normal healthy eyes. It causes the intraocular pressure to rise, sometimes by quite a lot. My eye wouldn't stand a chance, and I could end up with optic nerve damage, a lot of CMO, and a detached retina.

But that's not all. It's not very well researched, but a strong inflammatory response in the body can trigger an attack of CMO. (I think it's the cytokine surge.) Radiotherapy is pretty much designed to generate inflammation, and the effects can go on for months. I really think it would finish my vision off, though I am seeing my ophthalmologist next week and can go over the ground with him again.

I'm also very iffy about surgery. Surgery causes inflammation too, particularly if there's any whiff of infection. As I said, I had a routine hernia op last year and the resulting CMO produced long-term vision loss. It might be manageable for a short period if we jumped on the CMO pre-emptively with steroids and NSAIDs.

So I'd really rather go for something less likely to cause inflammation, if at all possible, or just go for hormone therapy alone and settle for a much shorter life. I have feared blindness all my life and I'm too old now to cope with all the adaptations I'd need to make. Even my wife - who is pretty cut up generally about all this - agrees with me on that point.

Many thanks again,

Bret

Edited by member 16 Oct 2026 at 10:23  | Reason: improve clarity

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Posted 16 Oct 2026 at 22:15

Also, although the vast number of cases are now done using the robot, remember surgeons are trained doing the Prostatectomy using the old way and that on occasion, due to break down of the robot, the surgeon reverts to the old way, so must retain his/her robot less skill. Indeed, there are some surgeons who prefer getting their hands inside and the greater sense of feel this provides.

Edited by member 16 Oct 2026 at 22:17  | Reason: Not specified

Barry
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Posted 16 Oct 2026 at 22:18

Adrian and Barry,

Once again, I am very grateful. The question is still open. I will raise it when I next can.

With thanks, Bret

Edited by member 16 Oct 2026 at 22:22  | Reason: to include Barry in the reply

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Posted 20 Oct 2026 at 20:30

All methods of treating Prostate Cancer have their successes and failures, so you will find men that are happy with results and those that are unhappy with the option they had. So one needs to consider how a large number of men have done who were considered suitable. This does work slightly against Radiation Oncologists. The reason for this is that surgeons want to cherry pick patients for Prostatectomy or Focal Treatment and for difficult cases can steer men to RT. In fact that happened in my case, where the surgeon didn't want to operate, so escorted me to the Radiation Consultant who was lumbered with a difficult case with greater risk of failure.

The most advanced form of Radiation in my case failed and it was the two administrations of HIFU that put me into remission and with virtually no side effects, although the previous Radiation had stopped erections. So don't be persuaded by a few good or bad reports.

As regards HIFU, this video by a leading practitioner is interesting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vksmmvzLBYA

There are not many practitioners doing Focal Treatment and those that do often work in two or more hospitals. Here is a list but as Focal Treatment is on the increase there may now be more. I can't see the name of the Professor at UCLH who is one of the most experienced with HIFU having done well over a thousand administrations including mine on the list. But they are almost all south of Birmingham. https://www.topdoctors.co.uk/hifu-high-intensity-focused-ultrasound/

 

Edited by member 20 Oct 2026 at 20:32  | Reason: to highlight links

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Posted 15 Oct 2026 at 10:54

Hi, again Bret

I'm not medically trained and you have not given a full diagnosis of your prostate cancer, however, I believe it is rare for HIFU to be used on Gleason 8(4+4) disease. The reasons being it is aggressive and high risk. As far as I'm aware, HIFU is deemed more suitable for low and intermediate disease.

Edited by member 15 Oct 2026 at 15:58  | Reason: Brett to Bret. 🙂

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Posted 15 Oct 2026 at 11:04

Hi Bret,

You have 3 hurdles to jump if you want to be considered for Focal Treatment, be it HIFU, Cryotherapy or Nanoknife (Irreversible Electroporation). You must be assessed as being a suitable candidate, be prepared to travel to London or one of the other centres in Southern England as I don't think they do Focal in Scotland. Also, I don't know that Scottish patients would be treated by NHS England so you would have to check. You could be treated privately in England or abroad if suitable but the procedure is not cheap and with HIFU a second application is often necessary as was in my case.

Edited by member 16 Oct 2026 at 21:59  | Reason: spelling

Barry
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Posted 15 Oct 2026 at 21:55

Thanks to you both, Adrian and Barry, for quick and helpful responses. I'm on a very steep learning curve here but what you both say chimes with what I am finding out for myself. It's helpful to know that I'm not missing anything obvious.

My problem is that it looks like open beam radiotherapy will create so much inflammation in my body that it will seriously damage my reduced and delicately-balanced vision. I'd prefer a shorter life being able to see, rather than a longer one being blind. Currently I'm thinking I might take just the hormone therapy (which starts tomorrow), letting Stage 3b become stage 4, and hoping I'll be lucky managing the metastases.

As John Lennon said, "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."

Bret

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Posted 15 Oct 2026 at 23:28

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
My problem is that it looks like open beam radiotherapy will create so much inflammation in my body that it will seriously damage my reduced and delicately-balanced vision. I'd prefer a shorter life being able to see, rather than a longer one being blind. Currently I'm thinking I might take just the hormone therapy (which starts tomorrow), letting Stage 3b become stage 4, and hoping I'll be lucky managing the metastases.

Hi again, Bret.

As I said earlier, mate, I'm not medically trained, but I'm sure there must be curative treatments available for your T3b prostate cancer which will not risk worsening your eye condition.

In your other conversation you mentioned:

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
An MDT that met this morning has taken RALP off the table. They seem to have reached the same conclusion I was rapidly getting to: that my eyesight would be lucky to survive the operation, let alone the recovery. So it's hormone treatment on Friday, followed by external beam radiotherapy, if I think it's safe enough.

It's rare, but not unknown, to have surgery on T3b disease. Even when surgery is used in cases of T3b, it's usually backed up with radiotherapy and HT. In that conversation they appear to have considered RALP, and only ruled it out because it's done in the Trendelenburg position, where you're lying tilted with your head tilted below your feet. I can understand why that might put additional pressure on your eyes, and why it might not be a suitable treatment option.  However, if that's their only concern, why aren't they considering open surgery where your body is level during the operation. 

It seems they are happy to proceed with EBRT and HT, which is the standard way of treating T3b PCa.

If that's the case, who has warned you that your scheduled external beam radiotherapy may affect your eyesight?

Please don't get me wrong, Bret. I don't know all the facts, but from what you've said, I am simply questioning what you've apparently been advised. 

Of course there are risks in all treatments. I know EBRT can cause urinary, bowel, and other problems. However, because it's a  treatment directed at specific areas these problems are usually confined to those areas.

I'm just a bloke who's had PCa and took an interest in the disease. However, I've never heard of EBRT causing or exacerbating eyesight problems. I would at least double check the further lose of vision concern, before rejecting curative treatments and increasing the risk of prostate cancer metastasis.

Edited by member 16 Oct 2026 at 08:57  | Reason: Additional text

User
Posted 16 Oct 2026 at 10:21

Adrian,

I really appreciate the thought you're putting into this. I hadn't thought of the open surgery option but it's definitely worth considering.

You deserve a bit of background. I've had congenital glaucoma all my life and my one remaining eye is battered, fragile and contains bits that normal eyes don't. For the last 20 years my major vision loss has been from a condition called cystoid macular oedema (CMO or CME in the US), which is where fluid pools within the layers of the retina. In the short term it makes vision very fuzzy. In the longer term it usually resolves, but in my case the vision never quite gets back to what it was. The longer the attack lasts, the greater the vision loss is likely to be.

The Trendelenburg position is a no-go for my eye since it can cause catastrophic vision loss even in normal healthy eyes. It causes the intraocular pressure to rise, sometimes by quite a lot. My eye wouldn't stand a chance, and I could end up with optic nerve damage, a lot of CMO, and a detached retina.

But that's not all. It's not very well researched, but a strong inflammatory response in the body can trigger an attack of CMO. (I think it's the cytokine surge.) Radiotherapy is pretty much designed to generate inflammation, and the effects can go on for months. I really think it would finish my vision off, though I am seeing my ophthalmologist next week and can go over the ground with him again.

I'm also very iffy about surgery. Surgery causes inflammation too, particularly if there's any whiff of infection. As I said, I had a routine hernia op last year and the resulting CMO produced long-term vision loss. It might be manageable for a short period if we jumped on the CMO pre-emptively with steroids and NSAIDs.

So I'd really rather go for something less likely to cause inflammation, if at all possible, or just go for hormone therapy alone and settle for a much shorter life. I have feared blindness all my life and I'm too old now to cope with all the adaptations I'd need to make. Even my wife - who is pretty cut up generally about all this - agrees with me on that point.

Many thanks again,

Bret

Edited by member 16 Oct 2026 at 10:23  | Reason: improve clarity

User
Posted 16 Oct 2026 at 11:32

Bret, thanks for your very thorough and enlightening reply. I am empathetic to you and the situation you find yourself in. I had/have ischemic heart disease which complicated my PCa treatment. Dealing with our disease is very difficult. Dealing with it when you've got comorbidities can make things even worse.

I had to prompt liaison between my urologist and a cardiologist to agree on a suitable PCa treatment for me. 

I'm sure that getting some sort of discussion going between your cancer consultants and your ophthalmologist might prove worthwhile.

Being 'cancer free' and maintaining your eyesight would be ideal. I hope it's somehow achievable. 

Best wishes to your wife, I know how difficult things were for mine whilst we were trying to sort out my treatment plan.

Good luck to you both.👍

Edited by member 16 Oct 2026 at 11:58  | Reason: Typo

User
Posted 16 Oct 2026 at 13:18

Thank you. Why aren't well people this nice to each other?  Bret

User
Posted 16 Oct 2026 at 17:13

Adrian,

I asked about open surgery and was told they also used the Trendelenburg position for that. She thought it was pretty standard. Thanks again for the thought, though. It was worth checking.

Bret

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Posted 16 Oct 2026 at 20:27

Hi Bret,

Not according to AI 

• Open Prostatectomy Positioning: Patients undergoing a traditional open radical prostatectomy (such as a retropubic or perineal approach) are placed in a standard supine position (flat on their back) or modified lithotomy position, rather than a head-down tilt. Gravity is not relied upon to move the bowel away from the pelvis via a head-down tilt; instead, the surgeon uses direct open surgical exposure and mechanical retraction.

• Trendelenburg Position in Prostatectomy: The steep Trendelenburg position (head-down tilt of 25° to 45°) is specifically associated with robot-assisted laparoscopic radical prostatectomy (RALP) or standard laparoscopic approaches. In those minimally invasive procedures, the head-down tilt—combined with carbon dioxide gas to inflate the abdomen—uses gravity to shift the small and large intestines out of the pelvic cavity so the robotic arms or laparoscopic instruments can access the prostate.

User
Posted 16 Oct 2026 at 22:15

Also, although the vast number of cases are now done using the robot, remember surgeons are trained doing the Prostatectomy using the old way and that on occasion, due to break down of the robot, the surgeon reverts to the old way, so must retain his/her robot less skill. Indeed, there are some surgeons who prefer getting their hands inside and the greater sense of feel this provides.

Edited by member 16 Oct 2026 at 22:17  | Reason: Not specified

Barry
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Posted 16 Oct 2026 at 22:18

Adrian and Barry,

Once again, I am very grateful. The question is still open. I will raise it when I next can.

With thanks, Bret

Edited by member 16 Oct 2026 at 22:22  | Reason: to include Barry in the reply

User
Posted 19 Oct 2026 at 21:34

Please don’t assume that HIFU won’t cause inflammation.  
In my case, it caused so much inflammation to the prostate and adjacent tissue that I ended up in A&E with acute urinary retention. 
Furthermore, the HIFU failed to prevent the cancer getting out to my pelvic lymph nodes.  When this spread was confirmed (14 months after HIFU) my case was transferred from the uro-focal team to the uro-onco team at the same hospital, and I was subsequently given hormone treatment and radiotherapy.  The radiotherapy had almost no effect on my urine flow, so cannot have significantly inflamed my prostate or urethra.  It did briefly cause inflammation of my bowel lining, with production of a clear mucus after one of the treatment sessions, but this wasn’t a major problem for me, unlike the effects of HIFU. 

 

User
Posted 19 Oct 2026 at 22:02

Thank you, hopeful oldie,

I appreciate your taking time to give me your point of view. I didn't really think that HIFU would cause no inflammation, but I thought there was a good chance it might produce less than radiotherapy (or surgery). But you say not. I will consider this carefully and am talking to an oncologist on the 28th. I was surprised that radiotherapy gave you so little inflammation because it is a process that seems designed to do little else. This is a puzzling world I have crashed into!

You're still around though... that's good news! How are you doing now?

Regards,

Bret

PS. If anyone else is reading this and wants to know the answer to my original question. Access to HIFU (from Scotland at least) seems to be by self-referral to one of two private clinics in the south: Oxford and Wimbledon. 

User
Posted 20 Oct 2026 at 20:30

All methods of treating Prostate Cancer have their successes and failures, so you will find men that are happy with results and those that are unhappy with the option they had. So one needs to consider how a large number of men have done who were considered suitable. This does work slightly against Radiation Oncologists. The reason for this is that surgeons want to cherry pick patients for Prostatectomy or Focal Treatment and for difficult cases can steer men to RT. In fact that happened in my case, where the surgeon didn't want to operate, so escorted me to the Radiation Consultant who was lumbered with a difficult case with greater risk of failure.

The most advanced form of Radiation in my case failed and it was the two administrations of HIFU that put me into remission and with virtually no side effects, although the previous Radiation had stopped erections. So don't be persuaded by a few good or bad reports.

As regards HIFU, this video by a leading practitioner is interesting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vksmmvzLBYA

There are not many practitioners doing Focal Treatment and those that do often work in two or more hospitals. Here is a list but as Focal Treatment is on the increase there may now be more. I can't see the name of the Professor at UCLH who is one of the most experienced with HIFU having done well over a thousand administrations including mine on the list. But they are almost all south of Birmingham. https://www.topdoctors.co.uk/hifu-high-intensity-focused-ultrasound/

 

Edited by member 20 Oct 2026 at 20:32  | Reason: to highlight links

Barry
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Posted 22 Oct 2026 at 18:59

Old Barry,

I've thanked you once but I'll do it properly. The links you posted were really useful, particularly the first one (which led me to one or two more). It really looks like I'm too far gone for focal therapy. I'll raise it with the oncologist when I see him, but my expectations have been managed. I think the most likely answer to my original question is that I can't get HIFU anywhere and, even if I could, I probably shouldn't. Thanks to everyone who helped me get there.

Regards,

Bret

 
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