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Rise in PSA post RT and HT 5 years ago

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Posted 31 Oct 2026 at 14:54

I know I'm probably worrying about nothing but I was diagnosed 5 years ago. I had HT and RT treatment which brought everything down nicely. I did rise to a PSA reading of 0.7 about 3 years ago and it was steady. But December last year it went upto 0.86 and then 0.91 in May this year. My latest is 1.7 but I no longer have face to face or even a phone call anymore. I'm hoping this is normal but I also know it might be recurrence. Has anyone else been through this that could advise me please.

User
Posted 01 Nov 2026 at 14:57
It may be that some of your cancer cells were radio resistant or not fully dosed but were put to sleep by your RT. At some point these can wake up and become active, expand and even mutate as they gain further heterogeneity.

In my situation following RT, my PSA remained pretty stable for up to about 3 years (I didn't have HT following RT). However, PSA began increasing at a persistently higher figure. I was referred to UCLH where a significant tumour was located by MRI and was given HIFU in 2015 which reduced the PSA down to 0.39 (from memory) - see my profile/bio for histology. PSA began to increase again similar story and had a second application of HIFU in 2021. Seems to have stabilized since and I am now told that I am 'In Remission.'

In Jonnopfc's situation, I would certainly ask to be referred back to Urology/Oncology. Men with failed RT, and this increasingly looks like that could be the case here, might be offered Focal salvage treatment if cancer is identified in the Prostate or a short course of high intensity radiation which could go further depending on his suitability and previous RT. He really needs imaging to help determine and maybe biopsy to be decided by his consultants.

Do let us know what transpires.

Barry
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Posted 02 Nov 2026 at 02:22
Normal Photon Radiation causes collateral damage along the path to the target and continues to damage after dosing the target. To minimise the concentration of unintended damage, the Linac moves the angle and direction of attack. 5 fixed angles were typically used, so any subsequent radiation should avoid the initial paths. Recent machines can send beams from changing angles due to revolving heads and I am not sure whether this makes subsequent radiation easier or more difficult. Care has to be taken to avoid or minimise dose to critical organs in all cases. The possibility of further radiation, sometimes called reradiation, improves if a more accurate and tighter beam type of radiation is used, such as SABR or SBRT. I know my EBRT was designed to not exceed a percentage of dose to critical organs, so this is something that has to be calculated in particular circumstances. The Carbon Ion element I had, like Proton Beam, deposits very little radiation on the way to the target, unloads on the target with virtually nothing after that, the so called 'Bragg Peak'.

Focal treatment is used to kill cancer cells by hitting them with Heat (HIFU), Ice formation (Cryotherapy), Electricity (Nanoknife or Electroporation) or Laser (FLA). The medium used depends on an individual's suitability and the preference of the person administering the treatment but does not use radiation for the treatment.

Barry
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Posted 31 Oct 2026 at 17:40
Normally for your treatment it's your lowest PSA + 2 that triggers an investigation but that may now be old school. I would ask for a referral back to oncology to check if you need further investigation
User
Posted 01 Nov 2026 at 06:20

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
I'm hoping this is normal but I also know it might be recurrence. Has anyone else been through this that could advise me please.

Hello, mate.

I'm not medically trained and have no experience of RT and HT, I had surgery. However, it seems that your PSA was stable at about 0.7 for the first three years, then there has been a rise for the past two, which has nearly doubled in the past 6 months from 0.91 to 1.7.

As francij1 says, normally your nadir +2 (the Pheonix criteria) triggers further investigations, however you have had three consecutive rises, they plus the sharper rise last 6 months, could start prompt earlier tests and scans.

Some are saying that the Pheonix criteria is now outdated:

The Phoenix criteria no longer align with the capabilities of current diagnostic and prognostic tools. Redefining BCR using dynamic PSA metrics and advanced imaging could facilitate timely salvage treatment in patients at a high risk and allow surveillance strategies in those unlikely to progress. Prospective validation is warranted to inform future clinical guidelines.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/40620052/

As you says it might be BCR. In your bio you also mention a dodgy lymph node which appears not to have been completely ruled out of the equation?

I suppose another reason for the rise, dependent on how long you were on HT, could be a testostetone recovery rise, causing a benign rise in PSA from the healthy prostate tissue left behind. 

It seems you no longer liaise with those who initially treated you. Perhaps, just to be on the safe side, it would be worth going to your GP and see if he/she thinks you should be refered back to them?

Whatever you decide, I wish you the best of luck. 

Edited by member 01 Nov 2026 at 07:26  | Reason: Add link

User
Posted 01 Nov 2026 at 11:01

Hopefully it is just a bounce. Cheers buddy.

User
Posted 01 Nov 2026 at 15:15
Hi, Old Barry. I have a question, can radiation be given to the same area twice? is HIFU radiation too?

Best wishes to Jonnopfc, you and everyone here.

Lola

User
Posted 01 Nov 2026 at 15:34
Radiation cannot be given twice to the same place if it would exceed the safe lifetime dose for that location.

So you need to know if the area that has the tumour was previously irradiated and to what level.

Hifu is not radiation so if it can be safely delivered it could be used as in Old barries case.

User
Posted 02 Nov 2026 at 11:19

Thank you for the update, mate.

I'll be keeping my fingers crossed for you that it's a benign blip of some sort.

Good luck, pal. 👍

 

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User
Posted 31 Oct 2026 at 17:40
Normally for your treatment it's your lowest PSA + 2 that triggers an investigation but that may now be old school. I would ask for a referral back to oncology to check if you need further investigation
User
Posted 01 Nov 2026 at 06:20

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
I'm hoping this is normal but I also know it might be recurrence. Has anyone else been through this that could advise me please.

Hello, mate.

I'm not medically trained and have no experience of RT and HT, I had surgery. However, it seems that your PSA was stable at about 0.7 for the first three years, then there has been a rise for the past two, which has nearly doubled in the past 6 months from 0.91 to 1.7.

As francij1 says, normally your nadir +2 (the Pheonix criteria) triggers further investigations, however you have had three consecutive rises, they plus the sharper rise last 6 months, could start prompt earlier tests and scans.

Some are saying that the Pheonix criteria is now outdated:

The Phoenix criteria no longer align with the capabilities of current diagnostic and prognostic tools. Redefining BCR using dynamic PSA metrics and advanced imaging could facilitate timely salvage treatment in patients at a high risk and allow surveillance strategies in those unlikely to progress. Prospective validation is warranted to inform future clinical guidelines.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/40620052/

As you says it might be BCR. In your bio you also mention a dodgy lymph node which appears not to have been completely ruled out of the equation?

I suppose another reason for the rise, dependent on how long you were on HT, could be a testostetone recovery rise, causing a benign rise in PSA from the healthy prostate tissue left behind. 

It seems you no longer liaise with those who initially treated you. Perhaps, just to be on the safe side, it would be worth going to your GP and see if he/she thinks you should be refered back to them?

Whatever you decide, I wish you the best of luck. 

Edited by member 01 Nov 2026 at 07:26  | Reason: Add link

User
Posted 01 Nov 2026 at 09:44

Hi Adrian, whilst I no longer deal directly with my urology dept down here it's a sort of self care (for want of a better description) type of thing. They will be reviewing my current result this week. Previously because I was stable at 0.7 I only get a letter to say all ok. Even my previous 2 results they were happy with. It's this sudden bigger jump that concerns me. I know everyone is different and this rise could be normal for me, but there is still that little voice with it having been so long after my treatment finished.

User
Posted 01 Nov 2026 at 10:21

Hi again, mate.

I agree I think the small rises over the previous two years aren't alarming. It's just the last one that's almost doubled that could be problematic. 

I would raise your concern with them. It may well be nothing. They might start by simply retesting your PSA. 

I know we've had several PSA 'bounces' on here, that have readjusted to lower levels.

Good luck.

User
Posted 01 Nov 2026 at 11:01

Hopefully it is just a bounce. Cheers buddy.

User
Posted 01 Nov 2026 at 14:57
It may be that some of your cancer cells were radio resistant or not fully dosed but were put to sleep by your RT. At some point these can wake up and become active, expand and even mutate as they gain further heterogeneity.

In my situation following RT, my PSA remained pretty stable for up to about 3 years (I didn't have HT following RT). However, PSA began increasing at a persistently higher figure. I was referred to UCLH where a significant tumour was located by MRI and was given HIFU in 2015 which reduced the PSA down to 0.39 (from memory) - see my profile/bio for histology. PSA began to increase again similar story and had a second application of HIFU in 2021. Seems to have stabilized since and I am now told that I am 'In Remission.'

In Jonnopfc's situation, I would certainly ask to be referred back to Urology/Oncology. Men with failed RT, and this increasingly looks like that could be the case here, might be offered Focal salvage treatment if cancer is identified in the Prostate or a short course of high intensity radiation which could go further depending on his suitability and previous RT. He really needs imaging to help determine and maybe biopsy to be decided by his consultants.

Do let us know what transpires.

Barry
User
Posted 01 Nov 2026 at 15:15
Hi, Old Barry. I have a question, can radiation be given to the same area twice? is HIFU radiation too?

Best wishes to Jonnopfc, you and everyone here.

Lola

User
Posted 01 Nov 2026 at 15:34
Radiation cannot be given twice to the same place if it would exceed the safe lifetime dose for that location.

So you need to know if the area that has the tumour was previously irradiated and to what level.

Hifu is not radiation so if it can be safely delivered it could be used as in Old barries case.

User
Posted 01 Nov 2026 at 15:40
And does it exist a way to check the place and get to know whether there is a safety margin enough that makes irradiation possible?
User
Posted 02 Nov 2026 at 02:22
Normal Photon Radiation causes collateral damage along the path to the target and continues to damage after dosing the target. To minimise the concentration of unintended damage, the Linac moves the angle and direction of attack. 5 fixed angles were typically used, so any subsequent radiation should avoid the initial paths. Recent machines can send beams from changing angles due to revolving heads and I am not sure whether this makes subsequent radiation easier or more difficult. Care has to be taken to avoid or minimise dose to critical organs in all cases. The possibility of further radiation, sometimes called reradiation, improves if a more accurate and tighter beam type of radiation is used, such as SABR or SBRT. I know my EBRT was designed to not exceed a percentage of dose to critical organs, so this is something that has to be calculated in particular circumstances. The Carbon Ion element I had, like Proton Beam, deposits very little radiation on the way to the target, unloads on the target with virtually nothing after that, the so called 'Bragg Peak'.

Focal treatment is used to kill cancer cells by hitting them with Heat (HIFU), Ice formation (Cryotherapy), Electricity (Nanoknife or Electroporation) or Laser (FLA). The medium used depends on an individual's suitability and the preference of the person administering the treatment but does not use radiation for the treatment.

Barry
User
Posted 02 Nov 2026 at 10:00
I have just spoken to a member of the clinical team in Urology at my local hospital. They are going to retest me in 8 weeks time and possibly a scan as well. They didn't say if that was dependent upon the test result or not. It was just a member of the team and not a CNS or consultant. However they did say that the guidelines have changed recently and that the level is now 3 and not Nadir +2. Typically this was supposed to have been my last test before discharge back to my GP.
User
Posted 02 Nov 2026 at 11:19

Thank you for the update, mate.

I'll be keeping my fingers crossed for you that it's a benign blip of some sort.

Good luck, pal. 👍

 

 
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