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Posted 25 Sep 2014 at 23:27
Paul, glad you are home safe and sound and getting ready for your daughter's wedding. I know the tiredness can be a major problem so rest when you need it and as your son says "slow down a bit"

You may not have to go onto Casodex and if your PSA etc are all still good I doubt your Onco will change anything. I do wish Urology would figure out what is causing so many UTIs though the catheterising in itself must be a worry not to mention an incovenience. Would a longer term catheter reduce the infection risk I know the most recent ones have really discrete day bags and the whole thing only has to be changed about every 8 weeks.

The 6 week course with Bath University is entering week 5, last week was tough but I was quite chuffed when my paper on p53 and VEG-F got the green light. I am not sure how chilled is finding it as he did not comment last week. I just wish it was Pca related so I am looking forward to October 13th when the course with you begins.

I am sure I will see you before your next round of travels sometime after the wedding.

Good luck with everything xxx

Mo

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Posted 26 Sep 2014 at 12:23

Thanks Mo. On the catheter front I do not want a permanent catheter until or if I have to. I had one in for about six weeks after hospitalisatio , now a couple of years ago and I found sleeping difficult and going out very difficult. It would take some adjusting to have to wear it when out at work etc. I know no one can see them but my experience was that walking with them, catching them and pulling made it a nerve wracking experience. ISC Is quick, painless and means I continue to pee normally in-between so maintaining the capacity. Although there is a risk it's somewhat unspecified and just a vague recognition that keeping everything clean is important. Of course the cause of any infection is actually unknown so it could be other causes. Catching them early with anti biotics means for the moment I am not too inconvenienced.

After the wedding I leave UK on 23rd so may not get chance to meet until Christmas. But will see you online!

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Posted 26 Sep 2014 at 13:14

Best of luck with your upcoming PSA test Paul, i will be thinking of you.

Just to let you know as of today still no wedding invite http://community.prostatecanceruk.org/editors/tiny_mce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-innocent.gif after all i have met your daughter, does that not count.

So of you go on your travels again, hopefully we can all meet up before Christmas.

Best of luck mate

Si  

Don't deny the diagnosis; try to defy the verdict
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Posted 27 Sep 2014 at 09:43

Paul,

Just to echo Mo and Si, I will be thinking of you next week with everything crossed. What day is it? You are certainly an inspiration to many you have never let this disease and all the UTIs stop you from travelling and working. Maybe as your son say's take it a little slower.  I have also not had an invite, I wondered if it is because I am quite rural and the postman couldn't find me.http://community.prostatecanceruk.org/editors/tiny_mce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-wink.gif

Have a wonderful day, what could be better seeing your Daughter married.

BFN

Julie X

NEVER LAUGH AT A LIVE DRAGON
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Posted 27 Sep 2014 at 12:27

Thanks guys, it's Friday when I have my appointment. Just three weeks to the wedding. If your invite has not arrived yet you must have missed the cut. I recommended you all to my daughter but she kept insisting on her friends, selfish I know but there you go!

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Posted 28 Sep 2014 at 01:08

Paul, you obviously had a great time in Hong Kong which probably justifies some weariness. And so much for you to look forward to over the next weeks and months - I can't wait to see some photos.

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

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Posted 29 Sep 2014 at 13:22

Thanks Lyn. I have never been good at knowing my limitations and have found it hard to realise that with all the impact of the HT I need to pay better attention to it. At times I have got better and recognize in advance when I need to have a break. Gone are late night sessions completing work, pushing extra stuff in and doing it in the evenings. I know I need to relax more. It's hard to describe fatique to someone. If you say you are tired it doesn't really cut it. We all get tired, we rise above tiredness when we have to do something. I find that I cannot rise above fatique when it happens. There is something qualitatively different about it which just signals I have to stop and rest. As most of my work is through my brain it's not a physical problem alone. My brain becomes a little fuzzy and if I am doing a report or an article which needs me to be on my best form I find I simply cannot do it.

Some will say well you are getting older so that is also a factor. Well yes and no. I think the deterioration we get as we age naturally is different. I did not anticipate my thinking skills getting less from age and indeed when I am fully rested I am still as sparky as normal. So I think fatique described a distinct bodily reaction to HT, which is progressive, I feel worse now than I did two years ago and if I don't account for it I come to a standstill anyway, as I did once or twice in Hong Kong. To be honest I hardly got out in HK as between teaching sessions I just rested to avoid this mind numbness!

Hey ho, it keeps me alive for now so I am not complaining but trying to name it so I can plan better for it and hopefully avoid retirement for lots of reasons.

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Posted 30 Sep 2014 at 11:48

I would welcome some comments on a dilemma in my mind. Hitherto my prime consultant has been a urologist even though there is a MDT behind him. I have valued his advice and counsel and felt that he has made the right decisions for me as we have gone along. I am still here and relatively well nearly three years on from advanced metatastic PCa. I reported on my last check up how he resisted the temptation to start casodex partly following a discussion about my work. So I have no complaints at all about his management of my PCa.

However I understand he has or is moving to another job. (Not been told this directly but a reliable source, well Brian Isaac, 😃 has given me the heads up). My appointment this Friday could therefore be with someone else.

So my question is this?

Should I seek now to be handled by an oncologist on the team rather than another urologist?

What are the pros and cons of this?

I had been thinking of raising this anyway as treatments down the road will be delivered through oncology - chemo, Abby etc etc

So should I insist on a change? Can I insist on a change?

Advice would be welcome, thanks!

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Posted 30 Sep 2014 at 15:36

Only my view but, even though John is nowhere near your diagnosis & situation, we have benefitted from alternating appointments with both an oncologist and urologist. They think and address different aspects. In your situation, I would want to retain contact with the uro due to the ongoing urinary difficulties and catheter use. I would feel more confident in an onco when it comes to trials, changing drug regimes and the tough decisions that you know will be ahead of you some day.

Does that help?

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

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Posted 30 Sep 2014 at 15:41

Yes I think that would be ideal though have no knowledge of who my new uro will be yet and will need to rebuild trust as I liked my present one. Also don't know who the onco is and whether they have expertise in PCa. It's unsettling for me to have to change doctors I prefer familiarity but I think keeping with the uro for the UTI and catheter stuff is a good call.

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Posted 03 Oct 2014 at 07:35

Good luck today Paul....and just seen your post about your dilemma as i specifically searched out your thread to wish you well.

You prob won't see this in time but if it is a new consultant why don't you ask what their experience is. I often wonder why the consultants at Doncaster don't to prostectomys. They are used to the question of experience as men opting for surgery often discuss their experience with them.

I think Lyn is right. The urologist for the urinary tract stuff and oncologist for the PCA. Of course you do then have the dilemma of whether they have the experience or not but you can ask. Having said that the Weston Park oncologist spends a day a week at the urology out patients...you'd like to think they are sending someone who is experienced

Bri

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Posted 03 Oct 2014 at 17:08

Thanks Bri. Well it has turned out alright again to my considerable relief! My PSA is up again this time to 27.35 which is nowhere near doubling and though the underlying trend is upward my new conusltant did not think we need to move to second line treatment yet, so casodex stay in your box for now! I was a little apprehensive this time which I have not experienced before I think it was partly the unknown of a new consultant. This guy is the clinical lead and I must say I was impressed. He was thorough and responsive and discussed all aspects. We talked about seeing an oncologist but he indicated that this would happen when I reach third line treatment I.e. When I am hormone-resistant and I was happy with that.

We discussed the UTIs and he decided to try me on a prophylactic dose of anti biotics to see if I can clear out the bug more thoroughly so that's worth a try. I shall continue to self catherise two to thre times a day which we also discussed and agreed my strategy was right.

I think the other reason I was nervous related to lots of things to engage me from now to the new year. I have things planned which I have been reluctant to do before. So a wedding, trips to Hong Kong, New Zealand and Hong Kong, christmas and new year are now all on before I have to return for an updated assessment in January. I will make 2015 and that will mean three years on from advanced metastic PCa which I hope will bring hope to all those just starting out even if you have bone mets. This is an unpredictable disease but many get time to make the most of life. TopGun would say enjoy this, life is for living!

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Posted 03 Oct 2014 at 18:28

Good news Paul. Excellent that you are under the clinical lead. So Mr P has gone (brianissac is always a reliable source ;-)

I thought about you as I drove through Tickhill on my way home from work tonight.

Hopefully the new antibiotic regime will sort the persistent u ti ' s.

Paul I wouldn't focus on 2015..look at other men who have been where you are at and worse and still alive and kicking many years later, focus way beyond 2015 mate.

See you soon

Bri

User
Posted 04 Oct 2014 at 00:55

So pleased for you Paul, now you can concentrate on your speech and begin packing xxx

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 04 Oct 2014 at 11:54

Thanks Bri and Lyn. I just want to say something of the realist in me which resists this sense that I have years stretching ahead for me as you suggest Bri, though I understand and appreciate why you say this. From the outset my mind set has been focused on the present, ensuring I have as much quality time as I can in whatever time remains. I am less concerned about quantity, in many ways I let the disease take care of itself. It will eventually transform and my life will become sticky. But I resist making predictions about long term survival. I think for three reasons.

Firstly it goes against the diagnosis. I have bone met spread and sit firmly in the incurable and ultimately terminal camp. I will take whatever time is given me of course I will but I never lose sight of that outcome.

Secondly dreaming you have lots of time leads to planning and expectations. I think one reason why this assessment was uncomfortable was that I so wanted to do the things I have planned up to the new year. I built up the check up and became concerned lest something got in the way. I have avoided that thus far and stayed more in the present.

This then is my third reason. This stems from that 'fiction of immortality' I talked about in the old file, ever decreasing circles. I am under no illusion that death is a 100 per center. So it happens to be this disease which will in all likelihood end my Iife but something else could intervene. Given that acceptance I can stay in the present. In my head tomorrow is what matters. I have found my life much richer for this focus than it has been for some years. So whilst I am caring for the present time takes care of itself. So in January I can look back and say I have made three years. If I make another three I will have filled my life with so many good memories. I don't need the fiction of immortality. I believe this is what TopGun did so well in what was a relatively short period left to him in the end. His motto is at the top of my favourite phrases. Ben also understood this too so well.

I do this becaue I do not want the disease to dominate my life. When people say to me you look well they do not need to know the disease is lying there waiting to pounce. I am for that day well and therefore that's enough. This for me is an optimistic philosophy that sustains me in moments of doubt. Hope these thoughts may mean something for others on this site.

User
Posted 04 Oct 2014 at 12:23

That's all well and good Paul. I admire your outlook on life and fully understand your philosophy.....but can you answer my question.....as you say you are creating so many memories and living for today, so


.....why do you spend your time on the terraces at Oakwell throughout the winter.....

Lol..Sorry couldn't resist

Bri

User
Posted 04 Oct 2014 at 13:09

I like it! It's a life sentence if you were born there, cannot avoid it and there are some good memories.........occasionally!

User
Posted 14 Oct 2014 at 12:03

Just a quick update on my latest appointment with my diabetes consultant. My readings have risen slightly from 54 to 57 so he has further adjusted my meds to deal with that. He also does a PSA test which was 30.23, so a slight increase but very similar to my previous one a few weeks ago. So no real scares there and diabetes remains in reasonable control. It's reassuring to see this consultant as he tells me his mission is to keep my diabetes in control, so it does not interfere with the Cancer!

Anyway back to the wedding preparations!

User
Posted 14 Oct 2014 at 17:08

Three days and counting?

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 14 Oct 2014 at 19:59

Bon Voyage and see you in Dec

Bri

 
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