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Posted 13 Jul 2014 at 14:21

Hi everyone,

My nearly 90 dad has been recently diagnosed with advanced PCa which has metastasised in his spine.  We (my siblings and I) only found out about the PCa late last year when he was admitted with chest pains and breathlessness and the Dr mentioned it.  These past few months he's had several admissions to hospital and GP home visits as he's been in a lot of pain and unable to move very much; get out of bed, climb stairs etc.  His last 2 week admission revealed the fact the PCa had spread to his spine and this was the cause of all his pain - we all assumed the back pain was his spinal stenosis (again only found that out in the last month).  He had Radiotherapy and his pain meds have been increased but we're not seeing much of a difference :(

He's essentially confined to his downstairs bedroom and the living room which is up three stairs; we've had to have special hand rails put it and he uses a walking frame or stick to move about.  A carer comes in every morning to help him get up and washed/dressed but very often he says he can't move; an ambulance is called and he's admitted, and then discharged the next day; this seems to keep on happening. He's slept in a chair in the living room before because he says he just can't move because of the pain.

He was discharged on Friday as the physiotherapists he was mobilising well.  We got him home and he managed to walk the short distance from the car to the front door before stumbling saying his legs gave way.  He had a rest in the living room before attempting to use the handrails to go down the 3 steps down to the bedroom.  Just about coped with that before laying down in bed.  We were all keen to see if going up was do-able so he tried that after a rest so we were confident things were improving.

Saturday morning the carer comes in and my mum, sister and 2 brothers try to get him out of bed but he says he can't move so he spent all day in bed, he has a commode but can't get up to use it or urinates in a pot (sorry if TMI) but also wears adult nappies.

We're really struggling to get our heads round it all but can't seem to make sense.  The Dr we spoke to on Friday assured us his pain meds should help, he suffers from other medical conditions, high blood pressure and diabetes so is on a cocktail of pills.  He has a patch for pain which is changed every few days, and has just started having liquid morphine too.

None of us children have spoken to his Oncologist and although our mum has been accompanying him to appts, English isn't her first language so I think she's having a hard time taking it all in.  His next appt is at the end of July and hoping one of us - we all work, have partners and children and were totally oblivious to his condition before - can go along with him to find out more as at the moment we're a bit in the dark.

Today, Sunday carer has been in and he says he can't move.  GP was called out and, I guess, gave him some top up pain relief.  Not entirely sure as I wasn't there but we've got a family meeting scheduled later.

In himself, he seems quite depressed thinking 'this is it', although he can't tell us if the Oncologist had given him a prognosis.  He seems to have given up and we just don't know what to do for the best.  He didn't live a particularly active lifestyle before but was able to be pretty independent so now, having to have someone take care of your most basic need must be a bit soul destroying. We often wonder how much of his pain is in his head.  In hospital he seems much better and moves about ok but as soon as we get him home he becomes immobile.

Would really appreciate your feedback on this, as someone suffering from advance PCa or a relative in a similar position.

User
Posted 15 Jul 2014 at 18:23
Hi Irene

I am currently on my "2nd tour of duty" in a hospice and I can only say how wonderful mine is and I think this apples to all of them. There is no charge and although a donation is of course welcome there is no pressure put on you at all.

For the time being I am not posting on my own "15 years topic" as until things get settled I don't want to encourage or dismay the brave men and their loved ones who are travelling the path of this insidious disease, I just wanted to encourage you to seek the help of your local hospice,

Best wishes

Life is for living

Barry (alias Barrington )

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Posted 15 Jul 2014 at 10:53
Irene

Hospice is free they have a specialist occupational therapist who -can organise a special bed for your dad plus any other equipment he needs. It is all loaned to you so you pay nothing.

Please get a referal to them as soon as possible.

Xxx

Mo

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Posted 14 Jul 2014 at 07:18
Hi, Its difficult for anyone to give advice to you. My father in law lived with PCa til he was 96 and active til last 6 weeks when in hospital. He also had back pain which was eased by painkillers and gels~~~~~(chemist advised which ones). You do need to go with him to appt if possible and possibly speak to Macmillan nurse or nurses on this site.
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Posted 14 Jul 2014 at 07:39
Thanks for your reply, we have a plan of action of sorts, we're going to get in touch with Macmillian, possibly get him a new bed to ease with sitting up at least. My sister will also accompany him to his next appt with the Oncologist so we know what stage he's at. GP that came out upped his oral morphine to 5ml every 4 hours so that should help with the pain at least and make him more comfortable.
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Posted 14 Jul 2014 at 07:46
Hello Michael. Sorry to hear of your troubles.

Would your dad (and the family come to that) consider respite care in your local hospice?

My 89 year old brother in law was in one for a short while and they cannot do enough for the patient and their relatives.

Their aim in life is to provide dedicated pain relief and dignity for the patient.

He need only be there for as long as it takes to regulate the pain with meds.

The thought of a hospice for some means they think it's the end of the road, but respite care is very valuable in that the staff are focussed on the whole of the patient's care.

When dad is, and feels stronger, then you could try his mobility again at home.

I would make sure that a family member goes to the hospital appointment, with a list of relevant questions, and make sure he/she get understandable answers and not be fobbed off with medical mumbo that goes over their heads.

I am sure from our recent experience with my elderly brother in law, that if it hadn't been for the insistence of his much younger wife, they would have stuck to their guns of "He's got advanced cancer - nothing more we can do"

Best of luck.

We can't control the winds - but we can adjust our sails
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Posted 14 Jul 2014 at 12:05
Hi sorry to to hear about your Dad you have picked a good forum for help and advice my husband was dx with aggresive metatistic pc if.you click on my avatar you can read his story.The fact that one of the family will attend with your Dad is a good start before you attend write all of your questions down as sometimes you forget to ask with all the information that is given if you dont ask they dont tell when our loved ones are at this stage of dx. The reason your Dads mobility was better in hospital as he would of had stronger meds his GP can make a referal to hospice for pain management as for his breathing and poor mobility Eric has that he is 65 so dont let them say it is his age sometimes meds can cause these problems Erics is caused by the spread in his lungs although ypur Dads symtoms may be at a certain stage no man is the same when it comes to this horrible pc. Good luck with your appiontment and keep posting it does help.

Carol

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Posted 14 Jul 2014 at 12:10
Michael the mets in your dad's spine may be pressing on his spinal cord, this is extefmely painful and his legs giving way and his immobility could be signs thst this is geting worse. He does need to be checked wih an mri scan, if he had just one dose of radiotherapy he may need more intense treatment. Just because he is nearly 90 does not matter. Mention the words spinal cord compression to the oncologist or the emergency medics and you should get some help. I also strongly urge Your dad to have Respite care atthe hospice as soon as possible.

Best wishes

Xx

Mo

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Posted 14 Jul 2014 at 13:38
Hi I thougjt I would reply again after reading Mo's post to you please click her avatar to read Micks journey with pc.

Mo is one of the OH's that has experiance of late dx and helped me as.some others too.

Mo if you read this I hope when you feel ready and things aren't so raw please if you can post the symtoms again as they are in the old posts and new people won't find them.I will speak to onco next week about SCC I know she wont be pleased and ask what have you been reading about now he has a scan this week.What I am going to write about has nothing to do with pc but will prove they dont always get it right.I had a cancer scare myself was given full hysterectomy colposuspension(bladder) a month after surgery I was back at hospital GP complaining of the pain I was having this went on for 12years I think they thought I was a mad woman I take 8 tramadol with 8 paracetamol amatriptaline daily I am still in pain .Now after a simple scan I have mesh errossion so I was not mad after all the point is they do get it wrong

Carol

ok my spelling is bad but I hope you can read it Bri someone might spelll it for you to understand Ha.

Carol

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Posted 15 Jul 2014 at 02:40
Very sorry that your dad is suffering as you describe. It is sometimes hard for a person affected in this way to appreciate that he might be better off in a hospice where he could be constantly monitored and his medication adjusted to minimise his pain which can be the main consideration now. We have a member 'Barry Newman ' username 'Topgun' who is also experiencing much pain with cancer spread but speaks highly of the hospice he spends time in when he feels the need. It might be useful for you to read his thread. You will have to read on to reach the part where he goes into the hospice some of the time. http://community.prostatecanceruk.org/posts/t9706-15-years-on--continued#post117343

I assume the oncologist is doing what he can to combat the cancer but at an advanced stage and bearing in mind your dad's age and other problems this is possibly challenging.

Barry
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Posted 15 Jul 2014 at 05:15

Thank you all so much for your very helpful words, I'm welling up a little, not just for my dad but for all those affected by PCa.  It lay 'dormant' in him for at least 7 years we've now learnt, but now things are different.  I'm Irene, btw, Michael is my Dad; we're a large family; I have 8 siblings so we're all managing to pull together on this one which is good.

Sorry to sound crass, but do we pay for the hospice? Money isn't an issue for us but my Dad seems hell bent on us NOT spending any money!?!?! He was livid at us suggesting an adjustable bed, hoping we can convince him that this will make getting up and out of bed so much easier?

Irene x

 

User
Posted 15 Jul 2014 at 07:33

No Irene, as far as I am aware, you don't pay for a hospice although a donation is always welcome.
Certainly my sister didn't have to pay a few weeks ago.
As far as the bed is concerned, I think you'll find that a short stay in a hospice getting his pain under control and allowing these lovely people to talk to him will have a beneficial effect.
What the family say and want to do is one thing.
What a doctor says is another, especially if they do manage to take away a lot of his pain.
He'll be more inclined to listen to them than you at the moment probably.

I think you need a referral of some sort to the hospice though.

Has your dad been allocated a Macmillan nurse by the way.

Edited by member 15 Jul 2014 at 07:34  | Reason: Not specified

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Posted 15 Jul 2014 at 10:38
Hello again Irene

The Hospice is free no donation required .Does your Dad have other aids to help with his mobility Eric was offered many bed chairs ect he is to stuborn to take them but I arranged for my Mum all the aids she needed she didnot have to pay including hand bars for her bed that help with gettingi in and out of bed..Please contact specilast Nurses the phone number is on this web site.

Just keep posting on here for help I am sure you will get many replies.

Best Wishes to your Dad and family.

Carol

User
Posted 15 Jul 2014 at 10:53
Irene

Hospice is free they have a specialist occupational therapist who -can organise a special bed for your dad plus any other equipment he needs. It is all loaned to you so you pay nothing.

Please get a referal to them as soon as possible.

Xxx

Mo

User
Posted 15 Jul 2014 at 18:23
Hi Irene

I am currently on my "2nd tour of duty" in a hospice and I can only say how wonderful mine is and I think this apples to all of them. There is no charge and although a donation is of course welcome there is no pressure put on you at all.

For the time being I am not posting on my own "15 years topic" as until things get settled I don't want to encourage or dismay the brave men and their loved ones who are travelling the path of this insidious disease, I just wanted to encourage you to seek the help of your local hospice,

Best wishes

Life is for living

Barry (alias Barrington )

User
Posted 15 Jul 2014 at 18:33
Thank you Barry for postimg that advice to Irene still wanting to help people both yoi and Mo.

Best Wishes to you and family

Carol

User
Posted 15 Jul 2014 at 22:24

Hi Irene,

My OH has castrate resistant metastatic PCa. I was encouraged by others on the site to get a hospice referral, we have one local to us. We have been phoned by one of the nurses already and they are coming out to assess soon. The brochure looks fantastic and yes, it is free, supported by armies of fund raisers, bless them all. I have done lots of things on my OH's behalf and it has brought me great relief to find there is this service, I feel I can think about planning my own life instead of carrying all that stress. They also have a proper carers group !! In all the time since Neil has been diagnosed not one statutory service has asked me, how are you coping ?  They say the NHS would fold without carers, now I know it's true. Would recommend the hospice option as others have encouraged you, would be better qualified to help with pain and respite care and would all be in one place rather than you chasing round various agencies and individuals. My regards to you and your family,

 

Fiona.

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Posted 15 Jul 2014 at 23:47

Hi Irene,

You have been given some really good advice by some of the others about the Hospice situation. I would definatly try and sort this out, it is good that you have the rest of the family for support and that you are all on the same page. Sometimes in people of your Dads age it is hard for them to accept help, he would have most likely grown up knowing many hardships and the offer of a new bed would seem as if you are all making too much fuss (which of course you are not). My Dad would have been the same. I hope that you can things sorted and your Dad can be made more comfortable.

BFN

Julie X

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Posted 16 Jul 2014 at 14:34

At 90 years of age I suspect your Dad has some form of Forces connection, Army, Navy Air force, merchant navy etc.   If he has you could get financial assistance from SSAFA (Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Families Association) They put a stair lift in for me and that has made a major difference to mine and my wife's life.

Kindest Regards - vasbyte

 

Perky

 
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