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User
Posted 22 Jul 2021 at 13:22

I really hate how this disease can raise its ugly head again. Sorry to read this, hope you get a good response with Zoladex and like others have said “many more years and lots of adventures still to be had”.

 

Ido4

User
Posted 22 Jul 2021 at 14:20

Thanks Ido4 , fingers crossed for the Zoladex…

We just have to play with the cards we are dealt, can’t ask for a new deck 🤣🤣

Phil

User
Posted 22 Jul 2021 at 14:33
Arghh Phil so sorry to hear this , especially as you hated the HT before. We’ll hold hands and do it together ok. Strangely seems a replica of my spread apart from all the bones etc. I also have lymph’s up in abdomen , between lungs and near a collar bone :-(

Take care fella.

User
Posted 22 Jul 2021 at 16:08

So sorry to hear this Phil.  We hope the Zoladex is kinder to you than the Prostap and that you have many more years of happy times to come.

Ange & Keith x

User
Posted 22 Jul 2021 at 17:12

Thank you Ange, let’s hope we all have time for some more happy memories to be made 👍

Chris, I conjured up this picture of us 2 skipping off , holding hands and shouting ‘F*** Off Cancer ‘ 🤣🤣

Phil

User
Posted 22 Jul 2021 at 18:32
Haha made me laugh. We all need a crutch occasionally ( to coin a phrase ). Contact me anytime brother and we can share the woes
User
Posted 22 Jul 2021 at 18:34

Haha made me laugh. We all need a crutch occasionally ( to coin a phrase ). Contact me anytime brother and we can share the woes

👍

User
Posted 22 Jul 2021 at 23:27
Sorry to see this Phil but a plan is always a good thing to have. Make sure you use antibacterial gel before you start holding hands with anyone - you don't know where they have been.
"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 23 Jul 2021 at 12:28

Did you not discuss Decapeptyl Phil ?

I say this cos my nurse said Zoladex is the hardest to give. It’s a pellet that is injected into the abdomen and big needle / bruising  etc. Good luck 🤞 

 

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User
Posted 23 Jul 2021 at 12:59

Hi Chris, must admit although I guessed what he’d say I was still a bit numb, especially when he said there’s too many places to zap with RT. But I said I wanted to try another type to Prostap and he said Zoladex as the Prostap had worked really well except for my mental issues.

My counsellor did say she thought I wouldn’t be so bad second time round . She says I was dealing with childhood stuff I’d never confronted properly and it took its toll. So hopefully I’ll be ok this time 👍.

Just come off the phone with a friend who’s  treatment didn’t work and he’s on HT Prostap for life now. He suffered at the beginning but he’s come out of it now. It’s certainly a different emotion to getting the initial diagnosis when you are full of confidence that you’ll be cured 🤷🏼‍♂️.

Anyways, how are you feeling Chris ? Making the most of this weather I hope 🤣

Phil

User
Posted 23 Jul 2021 at 14:25
Phil it’s a strange one. Outwardly no one would guess I was ill at all. Only 54 , 12 1/2 stone , quite well muscled , problems with my knees only. My back better than ever due targeted RT and now HT working.

All my other man-bits are still fine but I’d be a liar if I said my libido wasn’t fading. It is and it bothers me. And when we do I can’t orgasm mostly which is distressing.

Some days I’m on top of the world , busy and fixing up home and as many holidays as we can etc. Other days I just sit in the garden and inwardly weep as I’m not ready to die by a long way , but surely edging nearer.

Sometimes when I’m happiest the cloud comes heavier , because I know it can’t last. I’m sure you get it. Keep well and in touch

User
Posted 26 Jul 2021 at 10:00

Chris, I really understand the mental anguish. I’m still not sure how I’m gonna be after the Zoladex starts working. First injection 3rd August…….
I’ve finished counselling now and hoping I don’t need to go back. I’ve read the stories on here of the many very brave souls who went through wretched times towards the end and I’m not sure how I would deal with that.  Just gotta keep busy and my mind off that stuff.
Just sold our home of 38 years and living with MiL till we can move in our new house in mid August. But first, off to Jersey for our sons wedding ( they got married last year but they are re-doing it with all the guests this time) so plenty to think about for a while.

Take care buddy 👍 Nobody said it’d be easy 🤦‍♀️

Phil

 

User
Posted 26 Jul 2021 at 11:38

Hope the Zoladex treatment works well for you Phil.  Enjoy your Son’s Wedding celebrations in Jersey with your family and friends.

You’ve certainly got a lot to focus on with your house move too.  Keep looking forward and enjoy these precious times.

With best wishes,

Ange & Keith x

User
Posted 26 Jul 2021 at 12:24

Thank you Ange. Yes plenty of things to keep me occupied. 

Now things are easing up Covid wise I think I need to start planning our next big holiday 🤔.

Hope all is running smoothly for you and Keith?

Phil

User
Posted 26 Jul 2021 at 13:41
Aww congratulations to your son - have a great time in Jersey.

You don't really need to know this yet (and hopefully won't need to know for many years) but not all PCa deaths are terrible - some men just slip gently away when the time comes.

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 26 Jul 2021 at 13:54

Thank you 👍.

Yep, like all of us hoping for a few years yet and then quietly slip away …..

And as a friend of mine said there’s always the possibility of some new treatment coming along .

Phil

User
Posted 09 Sep 2021 at 15:24

Just a very short update: Zoladex started 5 weeks ago and unlike the Prostap I can feel it working already. I am definitely feeling more tired and unfortunately I can feel the libido slipping away already. I will have the next one in October and see my consultant on 28th October . If I still feel the same I may ask about going back onto Prostap. I was really lucky with Prostap with respect to physical side effects but it did affect me quite badly mentally but I am getting mood swings and a bit depressed with the Zoladex.

Anybody else had the chance to compare both Prostap and Zoladex ?

Phil

User
Posted 09 Sep 2021 at 22:00
Hi Phil,

Please see my previous post where I was switched from Zoladex to Prostap by GP for their admin purposes. I reacted poorly and arranged to switch back to Zoladex.

I have to say it is now about a month since the return to the 3-monthly Zoladex and I feel much better!!

I don’t think it is psychosomatic!!

I suppose it shows how we all react differently to medication.

Hope it improves for you whichever one you end up on.

Chris

User
Posted 10 Sep 2021 at 09:12

Hi Chris . Thanks for your reply. I’m going to have the next Zoladex and see how it goes. But I feel like I will likely ask for the change. I never lost my libido completely with the Prostap but with the Zoladex I can almost feel it draining away.

I saw in your previous post you asked about duration of HT. I asked my consultant and he said that he wanted me to stay on it for 2 years as it can wipe out any micro mets left behind. Didn’t actually work for me and not sure if that’s even possible. 

Good luck with whichever duration you/they decide on. 

Phil

User
Posted 16 Sep 2021 at 15:08

And here we are again 6 months later.

3.5 years on from Salvage Radiotherapy and 2.5 years on from ending Hormone Therapy.

Still firmly in remission thank goodness with PSA at <0.02 and Testosterone up a bit to 10.1.

Looking good but I never feel that I am in the clear - I am all too aware that this thing could come back to bite me.

Always in the back of my mind and I can never forget about it.

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User
Posted 16 Sep 2021 at 15:17

Brilliant news Pete. 👍. Long may it continue. It’s so good to hear the treatments do work for most people, especially for the newly diagnosed.

I’m hoping they will come up with something new to deal with the mets in my lymph nodes 😬 🙏

Good luck for the future Pete.

Phil

 

User
Posted 16 Sep 2021 at 15:24

Excellent result Pete. Yes you're right PCa is always at the back of the mind.

I am wondering if this could be useful for people post treatment?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58544874

Particularly for people who have had RT but not had surgery. We still have healthy prostate cells producing PSA, what we don't know is if we have cancerous prostate cells producing PSA. Though the intention seems to be to use this for pre treatment investigation, my thought is that this test would detect the presence of post treatment tumours so we would have a better idea of whether cancer remains. 

 

Dave

User
Posted 17 Sep 2021 at 15:00

Great news Pete.

Ido4

User
Posted 01 Nov 2021 at 09:48

Update: Just had my 2nd Zoladex implant. All went well and not even a bruise.

Saw my consultant on 28th October, face to face . My PSA has gone down to 1.0 so Zoladex working fast. I definitely get a bit more fatigued now and think I’m putting a bit of weight on round the middle. Libido vanishing fast , which I’m not happy about but I suppose I have no choice in the matter.

I did get achy legs for a couple of weeks but that’s gone now.

Feeling a bit down but not as bad as I was on Prostap. Might have to up the Mirtazapine dose , I’ll see how it goes. I finished all my sessions with my counsellor just before they told me the PCa had returned.

My Consultant said that it’s possible if PSA goes down as low as last time on the Prostap he will consider a holiday from the HT as soon as a year from now. He said maybe a holiday for 2 years. Bit surprised at that but it would be nice if it works out.

He said he will see me in 6 months - I said whoa , that’s too long . I’d be terrified that the Zoladex might stop working and I’d have months of not knowing. So we compromised on 4 months….

Phil

User
Posted 01 Nov 2021 at 14:42

Hi Phil,

Must admit I was really sorry to read about you having to go back on HT.  It’s good to hear the Zoladex is working for you, albeit with the awful side effects that go with HT plus the fact that you’ve been there and done it all before!!  Good idea to compromise on the 4 months to help psychologically.  All the best going forward.

Ange x

 

User
Posted 24 Feb 2022 at 12:10

So another update: Latest PSA test has shown it has gone up to 1.34 from 1.02 . Hospital don’t seen that worried but I am. Test again in 3 months which will be a nervous time.

I do feel like the Zoladex is hitting the testosterone but I am worried my PCa has become Testosterone independent.

Am I worrying about nothing?

What are my options if the Zoladex isn’t stopping it? Will they try Prostap again or is there no point ?

I want to swear but I won’t 🤷🏼‍♂️

Phil

User
Posted 24 Feb 2022 at 15:00
Hi Phil

I like you have had to go back on Zoladex after recurrence of the cancer. My PSA is now low enough that other treatments are being held back. I have been told that adding Enzalutamide to Zoladex is the likely next step if my PSA starts to rise.

This might be an option for you.

Tom

User
Posted 24 Feb 2022 at 15:10

Hi Tom. Hope that your Zoladex keeps doing the job for a while yet.

I know I shouldn’t but I will look up what side effects the enzalutamide has….

Phil

User
Posted 24 Feb 2022 at 15:23

My husband is in a similar situation G9 with a rising psa so has had enzauldamide added to keep his psa down. He had CT scan and Bone scan which has shown early spread to his shoulder bone but his consultant isn't too worried as the spots are tiny. 

 

He has a PET scan booked to investigate a lung lesion. His consultant believes it is not related to his prostate cancer and probably early signs of lung cancer but time will tell. His words a blessing that his psa was rising as we would have never found the lung issue until it was more advanced. Hoping for radical treatment to fully clear/cure the lung then he can concentrate on battling this b@@tard disease!!

 

Who knows how long the enzauldamide will work as the HT didn't keep him stable for long but at least there is a whole arsenal of treatment they can still throw his way.

 

Praying for a break and many normal years ahead of us ;)

 

Good luck with your journey 🤞

User
Posted 24 Feb 2022 at 15:30

Thanks Moozel, hope that your hubby’s enza keeps working for a good few years and you get the lung problem sorted. 
Does wear you down a bit doesn’t it , but we have to keep going 👍

Good luck

Phil

User
Posted 27 Feb 2022 at 14:05

Had SRT in April 2020, was on Prostap for almost 2 yrs, never had a PSA higher than <0.1 since the treatment.

Came off Prostap last, June almost 9 months ago.

Still having side affects such as hot flushes, though nowhere near as frequently, used to 4 or 5 times a night, now maybe once.

Strength coming back, hair starting to regrow on chest and legs.

I have two concerns, one is my stool which is very erratic, sometimes go once for the day and it's normal followed by a spell of a week or so when it is like rabbit droppings and I may go 4 or 5 times a day. Maybe this is normal and will sort itself out with time or may be permanent.

Penis size reduced to 50% of what it was, not particularly bothered at 77 but it was unexpected. 

Along with the stool, I pass a clear jelly sort of stuff and I have to be careful passing wind as it often comes along with this liquid which can stain your underwear. Also , very occasionally now, spots of blood in my stool.

Second is, over the last two weeks, I have developed painful nipples, if I just brush them with my arm or press on them. Is this related to testosterone levels returning or maybe something entirely different, just wondering if anybody else had this ?

Last PSA 3 weeks ago still <0.1, I feel fine and fit but suffering badly with back pain if I do anything strenuous.

 

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User
Posted 27 Feb 2022 at 14:34

I was same was told mucus was to be expected after radiotherapy I had it on and off since last day off treatment 👍

User
Posted 27 Feb 2022 at 16:01
Yes, it sounds like your testosterone levels are rising now. Re bowel issues, it sounds like possible radiation colitis which you can get treatment for on the NHS - a rectal foam - but have you had a bowel cancer check recently? Best to just get that ruled out first, along with piles.
"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 04 Mar 2022 at 10:23

I just exchanged emails with my specialist nurse regarding my PSA rise and about adding Testosterone to my next PSA test. She says the rise could easily be a blip and not to worry ( not so easy to do ) and they won’t add Testosterone to the test yet.

I did also wonder about my last Zoladex implant as it was given by a replacement nurse and I had a big bruise this time. Could it be that it’s not working properly?

Must say my head is a bit all over the place . I shouldn’t have but I looked up life expectancy with Hormone resistant PCa and I was a bit shocked and upset. Not shared that with the missus. 

Take care people,

Phil

User
Posted 05 Mar 2022 at 05:53

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

Had SRT in April 2020, was on Prostap for almost 2 yrs, never had a PSA higher than <0.1 since the treatment.

Came off Prostap last, June almost 9 months ago.

Still having side affects such as hot flushes, though nowhere near as frequently, used to 4 or 5 times a night, now maybe once.

Strength coming back, hair starting to regrow on chest and legs.

This implies Testosterone is back.

Hot flushes are often the last side effect to go, and do not appear to be directly driven by lack of Testosterone, but an upset to signalling it causes in the hypothalamus which can take longer to recover (and occasionally never does).

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

I have two concerns, one is my stool which is very erratic, sometimes go once for the day and it's normal followed by a spell of a week or so when it is like rabbit droppings and I may go 4 or 5 times a day. Maybe this is normal and will sort itself out with time or may be permanent.

Penis size reduced to 50% of what it was, not particularly bothered at 77 but it was unexpected. 

Along with the stool, I pass a clear jelly sort of stuff and I have to be careful passing wind as it often comes along with this liquid which can stain your underwear. Also , very occasionally now, spots of blood in my stool.

Rabbit droppings is common during radiotherapy. Might be worth mentioning at next appointment.

Mucus farts and an excess of rectum lube are due to irritation of the bowel lining caused by the radiotherapy. The bowel assumes this is due to the presence of unwanted bacteria or virus, and the excess mucus is much the same as a runny nose, to try and flush it out (but it isn't really there). It slowly reduces over time, but may never get back to pre-treatment levels.

When the bowel gets irradiated (and same for the bladder), it often heals by growing lots of fine surface blood vessels, which are fragile and can break. Also, fibrosis of existing blood vessels makes them fragile and possibly break even several years later. This can cause fresh surface blood on stools and when wiping, and is common after radiotherapy. However, you must report this back to your clinicians because it's also a symptom of bowel cancer, and they will want to double-check there is no bowel cancer. It is usually confirmed as radiation procitis - a radiation burn to the rectal wall in contact with the prostate. A big warning my oncologist gave me is to tell them not to biopsy radiation procitis just out of curiosity, because that can generate a spot which won't heal.

Unless you are losing excessive blood or it's causing any incontinence, it's not usually necessary to treat radiation proctitis, but steriod foam and suppositories are available which can sometimes help.

Regarding penis size, you might not be bothered for sex, but it can be important for being able to stand to urinate. If you have a pump, you might want to use it for penile rehabilitation to prevent any further shrinkage and possibly even get some recovery. There is a phenomena known as buried penis where the penis becomes too short to protrude, often contributed to by fat on the pubis too. It can make for issues with cleaning and hygiene too.

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

Second is, over the last two weeks, I have developed painful nipples, if I just brush them with my arm or press on them. Is this related to testosterone levels returning or maybe something entirely different, just wondering if anybody else had this ?

Yes, seemingly quite common when Testosterone fully returns after HT from what's been recently reported here. This is called gynecomastia. I still had Tamoxifen on my repeat prescriptions, and have started taking it again, and it stopped the pain within a day. I could also feel breast gland tissue, and it's reducing that too, so I'll stick with it for a month or two at least. (Tamoxifen won't do anything for breast fat tissue, which is often called pseudogynecomastia, but is painless.)

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User
Posted 05 Mar 2022 at 15:21

Hi Phil,

I'm sorry to read you are back on the HT, it seems you and David are following similar paths. He had a PSMA PET scan which shows lymph node involvement and a shadow on his liver. He’s waiting to have a ultrasound on the liver. 
He went back on bicalutamide this week and has his  prostrap injection on Tuesday. He’s, well we both are disappointed to say the least. David has changed his diet,no meat, sugar and low carb, given up alcohol and increased his work out to an hour of rowing every day. 
He had a zoom appt with the Care Oncology Clinic in London, they’ve suggested metaformin, a statin an antibiotic and an anti parasitic, so at least he won’t have worms. I’m getting him a pack of bones dog biscuits as well. 😉He’s also  planning to see the Prof who did his brachytherapy in 2016 in a week or so. The NHS have yet to appoint an oncologist to date, so we are paying.
We’ve discussed options and decided to give it the hardest kick we can, nothing off the books. He’s having acupressure, taking supplements and we’ve just read ‘How To Starve Cancer’ We have also booked in on her online course. 
It seems harder this time around, although we know more and we have a bit more experience, maybe we were too hopeful.

Well, whatever it is you G9 boys are close to my heart, although David is my favourite ☺️

His diet is berries for breakfast, avacado salads  at lunch and fish he’s eating a lot of sardines, I can’t stand them ! But I’ll cook them for him. Green tea, and no dairy foods. 

I’m trying to make his food tasty, but he’s a guy who loves spices and condiments.

I’m eating the same minus the sardines.

Let us know how your doing.

Leila 

 

 

User
Posted 08 Mar 2022 at 09:49

Hi Leila. It’s not a nice place to be after expecting, or at least hoping for a cure and then being told all they can do is manage the PCa. I’m still hoping mine hasn’t become castrate resistant and it’s just a ‘blip’. My specialist nurse says don’t worry - easy to say ……

As you say it does seem harder this time round. 

It’s interesting all the things you and David are doing to try to help David’s body deal with the onslaught. I may try one or two things myself but at the moment I do feel a bit like the stuffing is knocked out of me. I should have a read of that book you mention. My oldest son gave me a diet book about beating cancer , bless him . I should really start back on some kind of exercise and get out on my bike but I’m in the middle of rebuilding a 50yr old motorbike and can’t drag myself away. Shame we can’t find new parts for our old bodies like I can in the bike 🤷🏼‍♂️

It’s awful you’re having to pay to see a specialist when you are supposedly under the care of the NHS. I would consider making a complaint, but in the end all you want really is for all the help you can get.

Best of luck with the liver ultrasound, everything crossed for you.

By the way I love sardines too but not so keen on dog biscuits……

Phil

User
Posted 05 Apr 2022 at 22:47

Hi Pete 

I hope your PSA stays low. 

I'm not yet at your stage but am waiting to hear what treatment I will have. 

My PSA went from undetectable after a RP last July to 0.2 in January 2022.

Consultant phoned me to discuss probable relapse. 

I've had another test on the 30th March and have another booked for 29th April. Consultant said he will speak with me in June. 

That would be some 6 months after PSA found to have returned... And nearly a year after the operation!! 

Is this time scale normal? 

Best regards 

Mike 

 

User
Posted 05 Apr 2022 at 23:22

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
he’s eating a lot of sardines, I can’t stand them !

 

Sardines bashed up with ketchup and spread on toast - the perfect lunch. You have let me down badly Leila :-/ 

 

If you have not already bought it, I can recommend the Prostate Care Cookbook by Prostate Cancer Research Foundation and available from Amazon. It sets out some of the research as well as dietary guidelines and some great recipes

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 06 Apr 2022 at 04:20
I also enjoy sardines on toast but only from a tin. Tried the freshly cooked ones in Portugal and not to my liking. The other thing is that they are high in Purine which for somebody like me with Gout is best avoided, so it remains a rare treat.
Barry
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Posted 06 Apr 2022 at 09:25
Yum Yum Sardines or Mackerel ! I just mix them into a 2minute rice bag with some leeks. Perfect dinner. I buy the tinned ones with sauce like Katsu or spicy tomato 🍅
 
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