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Posted 08 Apr 2022 at 21:59

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
And reading the experience of men who have recently undergone surgery on this forum most, like me, have have had no major problems following the removal of their prostate.

That made me laugh since in the last couple of days we have had posts from 2 men who are having or have had penile implants, a man who hasn't had an erection since 2019, a man who can't urinate asking what to do if he goes into retention, and a couple of men dealing with recurrence. I guess we all just see what we want to see. 

 Desperate wife, have you managed to get any clarity yet on why the surgeon said the RP would not be full nerve sparing? The answer to that will also indicate the likelihood of the main side effects that impact on QoL after the other treatments as well. Assuming that it has turned out to be a misunderstanding and the surgeon had not said the op would be non nerve sparing, I would have thought the brachy option is a no-brainer. 

The bical wouldn't usually be 2 x 3 months - stopping bical and then starting it again can feed the cancer so it will probably be a continuous 6 months of daily bical tablets with RT (or brachy / RT) in month 4. John had 6 months of bical - he didn't like it but managed to continue working full time, going to the gym 5 nights a week and playing rugby. He had hot flushes and grew some moobs (our NHS CCG doesn't allow tamoxifen or RT to prevent this) - the flushes have turned out to be permanent but he has learned to manage them. The moobs were also permanent but he is a big rugby type and already had pecs so it is hard to tell which is muscle and which is breast material! Moobs tend to be more obvious on slim men or men who don't do gym work. If he is getting tamoxifen from the start, the risk of moobs is very much reduced although tamoxifen has its own side effects :-(  

Edited by member 08 Apr 2022 at 22:01  | Reason: Not specified

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

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Posted 08 Apr 2022 at 21:59

Hi DW, yes it’s tough as the spouse/wife/partner. I’m not going to lie. Really tough. There are no guarantees it won’t come back, but my motto as a cancer survivor has always been to take everything on offer (once you have researched and made an informed decision). There will never then be the “if only I had” scenario. The specialists looking after your husband are just that, specialists in their field. Weigh up all the options and go with it. You can go crazy with stats, concentrate on the outcome. You have to put your faith in their expertise. I can only tell you what we have gone through. Of course, if your husband opts for treatment rather than surgery none of what I’m about to say will apply! My oh opted for surgery, he only had 2 options to chose from; the other being ht and rt. The week leading up to surgery was difficult emotionally. My oh was definitely not looking forward to radical surgery (who would be) and was concerned about incontinence. However, as a couple we knew that if he was fully incontinent that was something we would deal with as opposed to not removing the prostate. The first 7-10 days post surgery were tough whilst the catheter was in (lots of people on here told me it would be). Lack of sleep, OH not getting comfy and not being able to bend etc. However, he still did gentle walks daily, pottered around and slept when he needed to. When the catheter was removed it was a different story. Psychologically it was major for him. He did get a Uti from catheter, treated with antibox. He has been dry day and night from when the catheter was removed. we are surprised, stunned and extremely pleased. He was very disciplined with his exercises before surgery and has continued since catheter removal. The exercises are so important. Of course it’s very early days for us, we are not counting our chickens just yet! We don’t know how successful the surgery has been and if more treatment will be required. We are only 17 days post surgery. He is doing extremely well and has exceeded both our expectations. Sounds like you have had a positive discussion with an understanding oncologist, can you do the same with a surgeon to discuss RP? Focus on the positives, you have a selection of treatment options available which in itself is a huge positive. The cancer is treatable. You will both get through this. X

Edited by member 08 Apr 2022 at 22:06  | Reason: Not specified

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Posted 09 Apr 2022 at 07:14

Hi LynEyre, the urologist told us it would only be nerve sparing at one side as the cancer is close but not touching the inky band and to ensure there is a good negative margin.  The surgeon only mentioned that it is nerve sparing on one side only, we left that office with still a lot of questions unanswered. I am wondering if it has anything to do with the fact that the surgeon is by his own admission inexperienced and will be supervised by one of the senior surgeons.  Otherwise it is extremely difficult to get hold of anybody on that team.  The Oncologist is totally different.  Told us if we have any more questions we are welcome to request another appointment and made sure that all questions had been fully answered before we left.

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Posted 09 Apr 2022 at 07:23

Hi JaneyP, thank you for giving good news regarding your husband's excellent lack of incontinence.  I passed this on to my husband, he read the HT leaflet last night and he was horrified at the side effects so currently RP is his preferred choice, but hoping that the referral to UCHL for treatment with Nanoknife is successful as that seem to have less after effects.  

Wishing you and your husband that everything goes perfectly from now on.

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Posted 09 Apr 2022 at 08:47

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member


Question - has anybody been on Bicalutamide for 2 * 3 month sessions, what was your experience?

The only other option is RP - we are now trying to work out which treatment has the least effect on OH's quality of life during and after the treatment.

Before anybody says anything - yes, I know he can cope. But I have to watch him go through hell - that is how all these treatments look to me and after all that there is no guarantee that that bloody cancer will not come back.

I was on bicalutimide for six months prior to RT and a year after it as a primary therapy. It really was not "hell"; as I've commented previously, I found the whole treatment process to be entirely tolerable. 

There are never any guarantees with any treatment that cancer won't return, but the success rates with both RP and RT are very good. 

My previous offer to have a chat with your husband on the phone about what RT/HT treatment is actually like still stands if it would be helpful to him.

Best wishes,

Chris

 

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Posted 09 Apr 2022 at 08:56

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

 he read the HT leaflet last night and he was horrified at the side effects so currently RP is his preferred choice, but hoping that the referral to UCHL for treatment with Nanoknife is successful as that seem to have less after effects.  



Do bear in mind that although there's a huge long list of potential side-effects from HT, no one person will experience all of them. I had very few myself - fatigue was my main one.  Judging from my own experience and reading many other reports of HT on this forum, it's a treatment that the majority of men tolerate well.

Best wishes,

Chris

 

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Posted 09 Apr 2022 at 09:59

And, Lyn ,with your glass half empty mindset you only see the negatives rather than the positives. There have been many examples of men on here that have undergone surgery and have not experienced major issues just as there are men who have not experienced issues when undergoing other forms of treatment. A balanced view goes a long way you know!

 

Ivan

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Posted 09 Apr 2022 at 15:21
In terms of personality, I am actually a glass nearly full sort of person but I have been on here long enough to understand that the people who struggle most with the emotional impact of side effects and recurrence are the ones who went into their treatment ignorant of the potential ramifications or with a rose tinted lens. As example, the newish member who posted just in the last few days that he was aware of the risk of incontinence but assumed it wouldn't affect him as he is fit. I don't post the negatives because I think it will turn out badly; I am compensating for the over-optimistic posts that go "oh you will be fine, most men are." It is called realism.
"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

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Posted 09 Apr 2022 at 15:25

Realism is fine it is just a shame many of your posts are the complete opposite

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Posted 09 Apr 2022 at 15:32
I have always found Lyn's posts to be factual, detailed, concise and helpful. She obviously knows a great deal about prostate cancer and its treatment. She is neither optimistic not pessimistic, whether replying to those who say ' Side effects? Nah - I'll be fine!' or those who rend their clothes and talk about 'going through hell'. In my opinion, and speaking as one who has been through treatment for prostate cancer, she tells it like it is. Lyn, please continue with your helpful and supportive reponses.

Hermit

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Posted 09 Apr 2022 at 15:37

You are entitled to your opinion, Hermit, but reading a lot and putting it into acceptable practice is not the same thing. Yes, some of Lyn's  responses are fine but her approach has driven at least one man from this forum.

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Posted 09 Apr 2022 at 15:47

Hi  Chris, thank you very much for your kind offer.  I have passed it on to him

User
Posted 09 Apr 2022 at 15:51

Hi Chris, yes it is true that not everybody will get all side effects, but everybody will have to make up their mind if they are willing to risk getting some of the side effects.  

User
Posted 09 Apr 2022 at 16:25
Everyone will get some of the side-effects, but in my personal opinion they are a small price to pay for getting the cancer sorted, particularly if, as you say, he's only going to be on HT for 6 months. That's a very short time, and most of the side-effects are temporary.

Best wishes,

Chris

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Posted 16 Apr 2022 at 11:37

Where there is time to consider and this seems one of them, it is worth considering all options. It is stated that at present patient favours Nanoknife but it is not clear whether he is suitable for this comparatively innovative form of treatment. Just in case he is not found suitable, it would be sensible to have a second choice from those he could have. My understanding is that Brachytherapy with seeds is generally the most successful overall form of RT and more so where augmented by some IMRT External Beam. So I would chose between this and RP.
Here you can see how over 100,000 men have responded to treatment in various studies with the results formed into an elipse You just need to start by entering your risk group. Worth fully exploring the site :- https://www.prostatecancerfree.org/compare-prostate-cancer-treatments/?gclid=Cj0KCQjw0umSBhDrARIsAH7FCodZMqS7xzo0yXDW4-qioVlLFaEZRpbvg3BVaniDHCzqIqZOpREbJ8gaAiXTEALw_wcB

 

It should be remembered that the worst cases for what may generally be a more successful treatment are sometime bettered by the best cases of what is generally a less successful group.

Edited by member 16 Apr 2022 at 11:38  | Reason: to highlight link

Barry
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Posted 16 Apr 2022 at 12:58
Barry, DW has stayed elwhere now that husband has decided on RP 🙂.

Cheers,

Chris

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Posted 16 Apr 2022 at 16:41

Hi Barry, we did discuss Brachy with the the oncologist, our hospital does not offer Brachy so OH has also a referral to Lincoln as they do HDR Brachy.  Only thing is as our oncologist himself has done Brachy at other hospitals he recons it would be 6 month of chemical castration, 2 sessions of HDR Brachy and 15 session of ERBT.  As all treatments are curative OH will have to make up his mind fairly soon.  Due to having the least side/after effects Nanoknife is his 1st choice with RP 2nd and anything to do with CC 3rd. 

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Posted 16 Apr 2022 at 18:31

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
Barry, DW has stayed elwhere now that husband has decided on RP 🙂.

Cheers,

Chris

Barry
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Posted 16 Apr 2022 at 18:36

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
Barry, DW has stayed elwhere now that husband has decided on RP 🙂.

Cheers,

Chris

Can't see where patient has decided to have RP and subsequent post to mine and yours seems to indicate a final decision has not been made. 

Edited by member 16 Apr 2022 at 18:46  | Reason: Not specified

Barry
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Posted 17 Apr 2022 at 08:17

Hi Barry, Chris is right, OH has decided that if he is not suitable for Nanoknife RP is second choice.

Reason Nanoknife if is first choice is that if he has a recurrance (current recurrance rates seem to be 15%) he can either have a repeat of the process or if not suitable he has all the other options still available.

Of cause the fact that so far no incontinence has been reported and that current ED rates posted are 5-10% are also a factor.

Plus instead of a 3 - 4 h op for RP, it is a 1 - 2 h procedure and instead of staying in hospital 1 - 2 days for RP, Nanoknife  it is usually day care.

 

 
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