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User
Posted 28 Mar 2023 at 11:03

Hi All


I am 52 and was diagnosed with PC 6 years ago.   I was put on AS for 2 years and then due to rising PSA it was decided 4 years ago to have hi fu treatment at UCLH London.


Hi fu Operation went well with  no side effects.  


Both my father and brother have had PC.  Dad had Hifu before me he is OK my brother RP 2 years later and still recovering.


Late Last year I had a MRI,  biopsy and Pet scan results 3 + 5 gleeson  4.9 PSA cancer had returned. I am on bicalutamide 50 mg at present   Another MRI last month cancer still contained but A  decision on treatment now needs to be made.


I have been offered both Salvage RP or salvage RT problem is where I had hifu there is possibly no chance of nerve saving on one side.


I am totally confused which way to turn the more I read the more confused I become.  I have spoken to 3 consultants and no one will tell me what is the best option.


I have read about Nurosafe but this is not an option on the NHS.


Has anyone been in the  same situation 


As I am only 58 should I have RP.


 

User
Posted 28 Mar 2023 at 12:06

You probably know more about prostate cancer than most people as you have already been through AS and HIFU. 


We often get posts from newly diagnosed people and some on here recommend the most aggressive treatment, and others the least aggressive. I would say you have tried the least aggressive approach, and it has presumably served you well in terms of sexual function and continence.The next least aggressive approach is probably RT. 


I wonder if you have a gene for prostate cancer? the family history isn't great, but bearing in mind everyman will get prostate cancer, it isn't strong evidence for a genetic cause.


If you have female relatives who have had breast cancer then testing for BRCA gene could be worthwhile. If you have BRCA then maybe you need to have RP, as even if RT works you will still have a prostate with the potential for recurrence.


Do remember I'm just a random guy on the internet with no medical qualifications.

Dave

User
Posted 28 Mar 2023 at 12:35
RP if they get everything is the best chance of a complete remission (check the latest research). Also you will know at your first post OP PSA (if it's super sensitive) if it's a success and you will have a chance of long term remission.

RT including pelvic nodes is probably the best "catch all" and often follows failed RP.

Being young (58) RT will not remove the prostate tissue so the remnants can give problems later on or it may even cause tumours in other abdominal structure's.



User
Posted 28 Mar 2023 at 23:39

Nurosafe is offered on the NHS by the Lister at Stevenage, but I'm not sure how much it would help on the HIFU side.


Salvage prostatectomy is a very specialist procedure. Guys and St.Thomas's have a surgeon who specialises in it and gets good results.


I had radiotherapy at age 57. RP would not have been nerve sparing, and would quite likely have needed salvage RT afterwards.

Edited by member 28 Mar 2023 at 23:45  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 30 Mar 2023 at 07:48

Point of interest. The Prof. at the Lister Stevenage told me he is one of the few who performs salvage prostatectomy. 


Peter


 

User
Posted 30 Mar 2023 at 09:23
Losing the nerves on one side shouldn't be a deal breaker - statistically, there is very little difference in erectile recovery between men who had full nerve-sparing and men who had partial nerve-spring.

As Andy says, neurosafe is available on the NHS but at only a limited number of hospitals. I can't really see how neurosafe would help you though - can you clarify what you are thinking?
"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard
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Posted 27 Aug 2023 at 14:06

Its a while ago so you probably made your choice by now linn. But my journey may be of interest. I had prostate HIFU left side ablation last year. Cancer returned in the ablated field and also on the right so was bilateral, Gleason 3+4 risk group T2C Intermediate.  UCLH advised whole gland treatment required and gave me a choice of salvage prostate removal or RT.  I did not want the RT as 18 months of aggressive hormone treatment would tie me to numerous hospital visits, with many side effects like weakness incontinence etc. After research i am very disappointed in lack of counselling prior to HIFU. This procedure is not approved in US or EU. One NY Study describes recurrence as 35-42% but i was advised 15% chance of failure. The same study referred to the effect on the anatomy of HIFU treatment as "unknown". I dug deeper. In 2018 a study by UCLH suggested cancer recurrence after HIFU in the treated field may be due to fibrosis of tissue leading to reduced blood flow encouraging a more aggressive form of cancer!  I wish i did the research before the HIFU. After the cancer returned bilaterally UCLH advised how technically difficult salvage prostatectomy would because of the nerves and rectum being fused to the prostate gland during HIFU. They insisted all nerves would have to be removed. So total loss of erectile function. This turned out to be the line given out in the NHS to cancer patients but it is due to the increased cost and resources required of a nerve spare op. Ive now been forced to go private with the prof. who also operates at guys and guildford who has now performed a successful salvage prostatectomy with 100% nerves intact and has done thousands of robotic prostatectomies with 'intraoperative frozen section nerve spare'. They only cut out the nerves they need to after doing the histology while your asleep. Its c.£22k.  It is simply unacceptable UCLH do not Counsel cancer patients about the range of research over failure risks, and the consequences if you want to retain sexual function if HIFU failure happens before you decide on it. I am relieved to have the prostate out and relieved to retain the nerves supporting sexual function. I hope this experience can give some perspective to others.

 
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