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Posted 25 Sep 2024 at 13:01

Hi .. In the past it was always suggested that younger suffers think more about surgery than radition , because of salvage treatments if BCR occurs . Would we still lean towards surgury today with newer IMRT treatments ... I'm on AS at the moment..60yrs  ., physically fit ,and sporting ,  no other morbidity and family history of living into late 80's ... Thanks for your 

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Posted 25 Sep 2024 at 14:15

Hello mate.

Surgery or RT?  Is the most asked question on.here. There is no definite answer to which is best.

For low grade, low volume PCa, generally the outcomes and side effects for both treatments are very similar. However the outcomes for individuals can vary enormously, some sail through either treatment, others struggle.

I opted for surgery, however, if the cancer meets the criteria, I'd have now gone for RT with only  5 sessions and no HT. I don't  know whether this would be an option available to you.

Best of luck whatever you chose.

Edited by member 25 Sep 2024 at 14:17  | Reason: Typo

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Posted 25 Sep 2024 at 15:25

I thing that the newer treatments of IMRT without requiring HT make this route a far more palatable option, although it probably makes the decision more difficult. I would be good to speak to other menu who have gone down this route but as this treatment is fairly new that might not be easy.

both treatments are likely to have similar(curative) outcomes so there is no right or wrong decision.

Goodmluck with your decision and treatment.

Derek

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Posted 25 Sep 2024 at 20:41

Hi,

The above is true.  It could be added that radiation can have longer term effects if you're younger and live long enough.  Also older people may not be fit enough for surgery which needs a couple of hours on a table sloping with your head down.

The idea of over 30 days of radiation and hormones for 6 months seemed far worse than the couple of hours asleep plus 6 weeks healing,   to me.  Although as said, you might not have that now.

Surgery gives a number of clear binary answers, such as psa = near 0 almost immediately,  full pathology, my gleason was increased.  That said, I would be more torn if asked again especially if I wasn't panicked.

Good luck, Peter

 

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Posted 25 Sep 2024 at 20:53
I think the tendency to favour surgery for younger patients was on the basis: (1) recovery from such major surgery can take longer in older patients, and (2) radiotherapy can have longer term (20+ year) side effects which you are more likely to experience the younger you are.

But the equation has probably changed since the latest IMRT machines came on stream, they mean less radiation spillover to adjacent organs and thus less risk of later cancers in theory (though we will have to wait 20 years to know for sure). And the immediate side effects of radio are lower, particularly if they decide you don't need the hormone therapy.

On the numbers currently available, both approaches have similar success rates (non-recurrence) so there isn't a "right" answer, and as Adrian says individual experiences often don't correspond to the average. Good luck with choosing.

User
Posted 25 Sep 2024 at 21:11

 

Hi Whitey

I guess you know by now that nobody who has had prostate cancer treatment can provide a definitive answer. We all follow the latest developments, particularly in the treatments we have had and read about other men's experiences. This can be more confusing than helpful at times, but obviously it helps to talk to and listen to others. On my part, I can only comment about my experience and how I feel about my choice now. I had prostatectomy over 12 years ago, cancer was well contained in the gland with good margin, my urologist was very experienced in robotic surgery but encouraged me to consult other specialists. Getting 'rid' of the tumour and the possibility of a permanent cure was probably the deciding factor for us, notwithstanding the risk of incontinence and ED. In the event, following a rather an eventful surgery (6 hours!) and not very easy recovery (catheter for over 5 weeks!), I now have recovered with 99.9% continence (urine leakage is, for us, not a serious problem). I suffer from ED but because I had surgery at the age of 72 we were thinking of finding a solution to that problem anyway. We - it was a joint decision - think made the right choice; hindsight is a wonderful thing! One of the major issues with this disease is obviously it effects couples' sex lives. If you are, young and fit and lucky to have a successful nerve-sparing surgery you may not suffer from an ED problem, incontinence is not too serious an issue, if luck is on your side. In any case there are many options to re-establish your intimate life. We found a method which suits us and are now living a happy and a fulfilling life.

Do your research, talk to as many specialists as you can, you have come to the right place here to get great support from others who are going through various stages of treatment and making the best of their lives. I wish you well. This disease, terrible as it is, is survivable. You are relatively young and can expect a good outcome. Good luck.

I have written at length about our experience which you may like to read at the following link:

https://community.prostatecanceruk.org/posts/t28948-Re-establishing-Sex-Life

Edited by member 26 Sep 2024 at 11:08  | Reason: spelling correction

 'Physics is like sex: sure, it may give some practical results, but that’s not why we do it.'                    Richard Feynman (1918-1988) Nobel Prize laureate

 

 

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Posted 29 Sep 2024 at 08:36

I used the NHS Prostrate predict tool as a method of deciding between surgery or radiotherapy,  after seriously considering both options I decided to go with 3months HT and 20 sessions of Radiotherapy, once my mind was made up I felt much better, cheers 

 

John

User
Posted 29 Sep 2024 at 19:43

I think nearly everyone feels better once a treatment plan in place. With only 3 months of HT hopefully your side effects will be minimal.

User
Posted 30 Sep 2024 at 08:21

Quoted from here:
https://prostatematters.co.uk/determining-suitable-prostate-cancer-treatment-options/robotic-prostatectomy-or-radiotherapy-for-localised-prostate-cancer/

 

"Younger patients also tend to favour surgery over RT because of the three-fold higher incidence of rectal cancer and bladder cancer 15 years after treatment by RT. An additional factor to consider is that salvage radiotherapy after surgery is well-tolerated and effective, whereas salvage surgery after radiotherapy, if possible, leads to poor cancer control and functional results in most men."

User
Posted 30 Sep 2024 at 09:02

15 years ago, radiotherapy was nowhere near as accurate as it is today.

User
Posted 30 Sep 2024 at 09:36

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

15 years ago, radiotherapy was nowhere near as accurate as it is today.

Presumably there have also been advances in surgery. By the time research has been done to see if these advances have improved outcomes, they are already out of date again. 

I think, that over the next few decades, genetic and cell therapy will be the best way forward.

https://www.asgct.org/publications/news/november-2020/gene-and-cell-therapies-for-prostate-cancer#:~:text=To%20recognize%20International%20Men's%20Day,and%20prevention%20of%20this%20disease

 

 

Edited by member 30 Sep 2024 at 09:42  | Reason: Additional text

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Posted 30 Sep 2024 at 10:09

Hi Whitey,

I took the Brachytherapy route mainly because i didn't fancy the knife.I think most of the guys on here would agree with my results over the last 8 years as being very good with only some ED problems but at 78 would ED have been any better without Brachytherapy .

My PSA was 2.19, Gleason 3+4=7 if you click on my Avatar you can see my journey so far. My only other comment is try to speak to members on here about how long to stay on AS as a few of them left it to long.

John.

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Posted 30 Sep 2024 at 10:42

They've both made massive advances over the last 15 years, but if you look at the last 6 or so years, radiotherapy has made many big advances which are now standard of care on the NHS, whereas prostatectomy has not advanced much. Neurosafe never became available as standard on NHS except at the Lister@Stevenage, although a newer version which doesn't require the histopathologist to be present in theatre is now being tried. Retzius sparing started becoming available in a small number of specialist centres, but the original specialists in it have almost all gone private and some centres which offered it on the NHS no longer do.

So in terms of advantages to NHS patients, I think radiotherapy has been improving significantly faster in recent years. Much of this is down to the competition between Varian and Elekta (manufacturers of radiotherapy equipment), who leapfrog each other in the provision of new radiotherapy treatments.

Genetic and cell therapy will become important but will be too expensive for the NHS to offer.

Edited by member 30 Sep 2024 at 10:51  | Reason: Not specified

 
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