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Posted 19 Nov 2024 at 19:39

Hi All

This is my first post, but I thought it might be helpful to talk about my experience on being treated on the MRlinac at the Cromwell Hospital. I'm having my last fraction tomorrow. I have read the experiences of others having various treatments and it's helped me to think about what treatment I wanted and what to expect.

I was diagnosed with a Gleason 4+3 on the 26th June this year. Initially my PSA was 5.1 and my GP thought a MRI would be a good idea. The local NHS hospital dealt with this and the initial report was 'no cancer'. Following a MDT meeting they changed the view, to 'there was a possible tumour' and a biopsy was recommended. Given the two different views I used my insurance and sought a second opinion in one of the Cancer hospitals in London. The urologist I saw was not convinced there was cancer and suggested keeping an eye on the psa. The next psa was 5.6. Three months later it had moved to 8.4. The urologist then recommended another MRI. Following that there was something worth doing a biopsy on. The biopsy resulted in a 4+3. This wasn't what I expected and the fact that 4 was at the front was a blow. The urologist suggested 6 months of ADT with either surgery or radiotherapy. By this time I had read everything I could about Prostate Cancer and watched numerous YouTube videos. I think being a knowledgeable patient is important. On the basis of what I had learnt I felt the surgery route was not for me. The possibility of incontinence was something I wanted to avoid. Because I elected radiotherapy my urologist referred me to an oncologist colleague. The oncologist explained in great detail the issues with my tumour. I was a little taken back when told she thought it was a T3b. This was on the basis that it may have gone to the seminal vesicles. She felt that was a risk, but did think possibly T3a/b as it wasn't that clear it was 3b. However, she wanted me to think about 18 months of ADT rather than the 6 first suggested. I wanted radiotherapy, but SBRT. Five sessions over two weeks appealed  rather than twenty to thirty over seven weeks. The next bombshell was when she told me my prostate was too small to have the seed implants for SBRT. This was a bad news /good news moment. She then said there's a very advanced machine which doesn't require seeds and uses an MRI in conjunction with a Linac. It turns out that it's highly accurate and the margins are very small, which limits damage to the surrounding tissue. It all sounded promising. The Cromwell Hospital then handled everything by liaising with my insurance company.

The treatment firstly involves a planning appointment. This was all pretty easy, but it was at 7.30am in London, so a night in a hotel prior. The planning involves an MRI on the MRlinac and then a CT. It was all over in a short period of time. Following the planning the clever people then prepare a plan, which I understand is checked and checked a few times by different specialists. A week later I had my first fraction of radiotherapy. It was all very easy with no pain. The only issue is if you have any gas they do tell you to pass it. I had no problem as I have 73 years experience. You have to have a pee before the treatment and then drink a couple of cups of water. The worst part is trying to remain still for about 45 minutes. Day 2 and 3 were just the same and I didn't feel like anything had happened. There is a day's gap after each fraction. Weekends are free. The following week 2 more fractions. My last one is tomorrow.

I'm told that any side effects usually start towards the end of the treatment and can get to the peak at two weeks. After 4 fractions I do feel a little bit of discomfort in the urethra, but it is tolerable. I'll comment on the next few weeks so as to paint the full picture. Like most of the prostate cancer journey, being fit really helps. I've always been active, but made a point of being in the gym every other day when I got my diagnosis. It's paid off on the ADT,  so I'm hoping it will with the radiation.

 

 

 

User
Posted 19 Nov 2024 at 19:39

Hi All

This is my first post, but I thought it might be helpful to talk about my experience on being treated on the MRlinac at the Cromwell Hospital. I'm having my last fraction tomorrow. I have read the experiences of others having various treatments and it's helped me to think about what treatment I wanted and what to expect.

I was diagnosed with a Gleason 4+3 on the 26th June this year. Initially my PSA was 5.1 and my GP thought a MRI would be a good idea. The local NHS hospital dealt with this and the initial report was 'no cancer'. Following a MDT meeting they changed the view, to 'there was a possible tumour' and a biopsy was recommended. Given the two different views I used my insurance and sought a second opinion in one of the Cancer hospitals in London. The urologist I saw was not convinced there was cancer and suggested keeping an eye on the psa. The next psa was 5.6. Three months later it had moved to 8.4. The urologist then recommended another MRI. Following that there was something worth doing a biopsy on. The biopsy resulted in a 4+3. This wasn't what I expected and the fact that 4 was at the front was a blow. The urologist suggested 6 months of ADT with either surgery or radiotherapy. By this time I had read everything I could about Prostate Cancer and watched numerous YouTube videos. I think being a knowledgeable patient is important. On the basis of what I had learnt I felt the surgery route was not for me. The possibility of incontinence was something I wanted to avoid. Because I elected radiotherapy my urologist referred me to an oncologist colleague. The oncologist explained in great detail the issues with my tumour. I was a little taken back when told she thought it was a T3b. This was on the basis that it may have gone to the seminal vesicles. She felt that was a risk, but did think possibly T3a/b as it wasn't that clear it was 3b. However, she wanted me to think about 18 months of ADT rather than the 6 first suggested. I wanted radiotherapy, but SBRT. Five sessions over two weeks appealed  rather than twenty to thirty over seven weeks. The next bombshell was when she told me my prostate was too small to have the seed implants for SBRT. This was a bad news /good news moment. She then said there's a very advanced machine which doesn't require seeds and uses an MRI in conjunction with a Linac. It turns out that it's highly accurate and the margins are very small, which limits damage to the surrounding tissue. It all sounded promising. The Cromwell Hospital then handled everything by liaising with my insurance company.

The treatment firstly involves a planning appointment. This was all pretty easy, but it was at 7.30am in London, so a night in a hotel prior. The planning involves an MRI on the MRlinac and then a CT. It was all over in a short period of time. Following the planning the clever people then prepare a plan, which I understand is checked and checked a few times by different specialists. A week later I had my first fraction of radiotherapy. It was all very easy with no pain. The only issue is if you have any gas they do tell you to pass it. I had no problem as I have 73 years experience. You have to have a pee before the treatment and then drink a couple of cups of water. The worst part is trying to remain still for about 45 minutes. Day 2 and 3 were just the same and I didn't feel like anything had happened. There is a day's gap after each fraction. Weekends are free. The following week 2 more fractions. My last one is tomorrow.

I'm told that any side effects usually start towards the end of the treatment and can get to the peak at two weeks. After 4 fractions I do feel a little bit of discomfort in the urethra, but it is tolerable. I'll comment on the next few weeks so as to paint the full picture. Like most of the prostate cancer journey, being fit really helps. I've always been active, but made a point of being in the gym every other day when I got my diagnosis. It's paid off on the ADT,  so I'm hoping it will with the radiation.

 

 

 

User
Posted 27 Nov 2024 at 09:43

Well, it's been one week since my final radiotherapy session and all is pretty good. I do have a few more side effects, but nothing too uncomfortable. I'm getting up a little more at night and the flow is stop/start and slow. Not too bad during the day though. A little discomfort from the urethra when peeing and after for a short while, but totally bearable. I've worked it out that not drinking too much water to close to going to bed helps. Messed that up the other night and was up 4 times which is a lot for me. Problem was I was knackered the day after. A lesson learnt. During the day I find water does help with all side effects. I'm happy with how things are going. I will report back in a week.

David 

 

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User
Posted 19 Nov 2024 at 23:50

Thanks for that, the 5 dose treatment is quite a recent development. We haven't had many posts describing the experience, so it is good to hear your story.

Dave

User
Posted 20 Nov 2024 at 15:36

So, I'm on the train home and my last radiotherapy session is over. Again, no problems or discomfort. The people at GenesisCare at the Cromwell Hospital have been brilliant. I am getting a few side effects, but they are not too bad. I guess it depends on what issues you have before the treatment. I didn't have any. Now I have a little feeling now and again of wanting to pee. When I do, the stream is slow and sometimes stop start. That is intermittent and mainly at night. Consultation with the oncologist in 4 weeks and psa in 12. At the moment it is better than I expected. 

David

User
Posted 23 Nov 2024 at 12:09

Firstly, thank you for your posting. I am at the stage of trying to decide between prostatectomy v radiotherapy+hormone treatment. Depending on the day of the week, I am favouring one or the other on alternate days!!

Having just read about MR Linac treatment on the Prostate Matters website, I was swaying towards radiotherapy. So I will follow your postings with interest.

User
Posted 23 Nov 2024 at 17:24

A couple of my support groups include many patients treated at Mount Vernon Cancer Centre. MVCC were part of the PACE-B trial and are now standardly offering the 5 fraction SABR treatment, so we've had some members go through it. These were patients who were originally considering seed brachytherapy, but had the option to switch to 5 fraction SABR and took it.

None have had any significant problems. One of the advantages is that the immediate treatment side effects, which lag about 2 weeks behind with radiotherapy, don't start until after the treatment is finished, so you aren't fighting treatment and side effects at the same time. Something they found more difficult to deal with was not having a PSA test until 6 months after treatment, whereas with standard external beam, PSA tests start at 3 months afterwards (at MVCC at least).

Back in 2018 when I was treated there (not with this treatment), they were doing this treatment on Cyberknife. Nowadays, modern LINACs can do SABR, and the treatment is delivered on SABR-capable LINACs.

User
Posted 23 Nov 2024 at 22:00

Obviously everyone has to make their own decision as to what treatment they elect to have. All I can say is read everything and maybe watch a lot of the videos on YouTube from the Prostate cancer research institute. 

I settled for radiotherapy because of the lesser side effects. Radiotherapy has come a long way and SBRT offers fewer sessions and generally less side effects. The MRLinac is all that SBRT offers, but without seed implants and is highly accurate. The cost is an issue, but if it's on insurance it's worth considering. I'm not a week since my final treatment yet, so too early to say how good it is. I will report at a week and weekly after that. Hope that helps.

David 

 

 

User
Posted 23 Nov 2024 at 22:06

Andy. I've been told that it's a psa at 12 weeks. This is to make sure that any inflammation from the radiotherapy has gone and cannot influence the level of the test. Mind you that's on  MRlinac and not the general SBRT.

David 

 

User
Posted 25 Nov 2024 at 09:51

The one thing I forgot to mention is the one really painful experience of having my radiotherapy. I was asked at the first session what music I wanted. I said anything classical. All was well until the penultimate session when I had to endure 45 minutes of Country and Western. 

User
Posted 25 Nov 2024 at 10:02

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
The one thing I forgot to mention is the one really painful experience of having my radiotherapy. I was asked at the first session what music I wanted. I said anything classical. All was well until the penultimate session when I had to endure 45 minutes of Country and Western. 

😂

I once did a thread on here, asking what music would be most appropriate during a digital rectal examination.

🎶 How Deep is Your Glove.🎶 by the Bee Gees won it. 

https://community.prostatecanceruk.org/posts/t30016-Appropriate-and-inappropriate-music-whist-having-a-DRE-or-biopsy

 

Edited by member 25 Nov 2024 at 10:09  | Reason: Add link

User
Posted 27 Nov 2024 at 09:43

Well, it's been one week since my final radiotherapy session and all is pretty good. I do have a few more side effects, but nothing too uncomfortable. I'm getting up a little more at night and the flow is stop/start and slow. Not too bad during the day though. A little discomfort from the urethra when peeing and after for a short while, but totally bearable. I've worked it out that not drinking too much water to close to going to bed helps. Messed that up the other night and was up 4 times which is a lot for me. Problem was I was knackered the day after. A lesson learnt. During the day I find water does help with all side effects. I'm happy with how things are going. I will report back in a week.

David 

 

User
Posted 27 Nov 2024 at 09:56

Good luck David. I'll be following the conversation closely as yesterday I elected to go down the radiotherapy + hormone therapy path. Awaiting consultation with oncologist regarding method of applying radiation but hoping to go down the MRLinac (SBRT) route.

 
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