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Cribriform. What is it?

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Posted 01 Jul 2025 at 10:03

A very recent Dr Scholz presentation. May be useful to some.

What I'd like to know, being finally diagnosed post op a Gleason 9(4+5). Does it really matter what your Gleason score was or whether you had unfavourable cribriform, if radical treatment has destroyed it?

Does it merely boost your bragging rights amongst prostate cancer survivors?

I've been through my histology reports and can't find anything mentioning cribriform but comedonecrosis is mentioned. Apparently it is worse than cribriform and found in some Gleason 5 cells. Not, that I'm bragging. 🙂

https://www.youtube.com/watch?si=FQ-HSq5Vmbm__7dp&v=-bgmkwpD4Zo&feature=youtu.be

Whoops, sorry. I may have created an unnecessary and unhealthy cribriform patten myself. There are already a number of cribriform conversations on here. To prevent spread, I should have searched and added mine to this. 🙂

https://community.prostatecanceruk.org/posts/t31133-Cribriform-patterns

My apologies.

Edited by member 01 Jul 2025 at 10:56  | Reason: Additional text

User
Posted 01 Jul 2025 at 10:03

A very recent Dr Scholz presentation. May be useful to some.

What I'd like to know, being finally diagnosed post op a Gleason 9(4+5). Does it really matter what your Gleason score was or whether you had unfavourable cribriform, if radical treatment has destroyed it?

Does it merely boost your bragging rights amongst prostate cancer survivors?

I've been through my histology reports and can't find anything mentioning cribriform but comedonecrosis is mentioned. Apparently it is worse than cribriform and found in some Gleason 5 cells. Not, that I'm bragging. 🙂

https://www.youtube.com/watch?si=FQ-HSq5Vmbm__7dp&v=-bgmkwpD4Zo&feature=youtu.be

Whoops, sorry. I may have created an unnecessary and unhealthy cribriform patten myself. There are already a number of cribriform conversations on here. To prevent spread, I should have searched and added mine to this. 🙂

https://community.prostatecanceruk.org/posts/t31133-Cribriform-patterns

My apologies.

Edited by member 01 Jul 2025 at 10:56  | Reason: Additional text

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Posted 01 Jul 2025 at 11:01

That is a very interesting question Adrian.

I think Dr Scholz’ view of Gleason score (and also Cribriform) is that it is purely a diagnostic indicator of the risk that a prostate cancer is likely to spread. It is a fairly crude indicator but for a long time it has been the best we had.

The more confident you are that the cancer has not spread (e.g. from PSMA PET scans and post-treatment ultrasensitive PSA levels) the less important Gleason score becomes. Dr Scholz’ view is that PSMA PET scans have already reduced the importance of Gleason as compared with periods in the past.

Of course we can never have certainty. There is always a small chance that some tiny amount of cancer is lurking somewhere and then becomes active at some point (e.g. if our immune system becomes weakened). The risk of that is still to some extent linked to Gleason score, even several years after treatment. But it doesn’t alter the fact that having an undetectable PSA is a very good place to be regardless of Gleason score.

For example, you might be interested in this research which gives an indication of the relative importance. At 5 years after prostatectomy the hazard ratio (relative risk of future recurrence)  for Gleason 8+ was about 2 to 1 whereas the hazard ratio for PSA <0.02 was about 37 to 1, and 98.5% of men with PSA<0.02 at 5 years remained recurrence free at 10 years.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39716720/

Kevin

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Posted 03 Jul 2025 at 11:34
Hi Adrian,

A word that has worried the hell out of me since I found it on the pathology report. Researching really didn’t help either, the prediction tools usually say not suitable (very gloomy and that’s coming from a scientist), but when I did pluck up the courage to ask about 6 months after diagnosis was told not to worry. Quote “if we were to work in percentages with Gleason 9 that would give you 90% but adding the cribiform makes it 91 / 92 at best.” Bit hazy but the gist was we get rid of one we get rid of the other. I believe a Gleason 3 with cribiform would now be classified as Gleason 4 but a G4 still remains the same with cribiform so perhaps doesn’t add as much concern as the overall cell pattern is already pretty damaged. Whilst being in the report I’ve no idea if it is invasive ICC or non invasive DCIS 🤷‍♂️ and both have very different when it comes to aggression, but thanks for posting this as it’s given a lot more reassurance than found elsewhere on the net.

Thanks

Stuart

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Posted 01 Jul 2025 at 11:01

That is a very interesting question Adrian.

I think Dr Scholz’ view of Gleason score (and also Cribriform) is that it is purely a diagnostic indicator of the risk that a prostate cancer is likely to spread. It is a fairly crude indicator but for a long time it has been the best we had.

The more confident you are that the cancer has not spread (e.g. from PSMA PET scans and post-treatment ultrasensitive PSA levels) the less important Gleason score becomes. Dr Scholz’ view is that PSMA PET scans have already reduced the importance of Gleason as compared with periods in the past.

Of course we can never have certainty. There is always a small chance that some tiny amount of cancer is lurking somewhere and then becomes active at some point (e.g. if our immune system becomes weakened). The risk of that is still to some extent linked to Gleason score, even several years after treatment. But it doesn’t alter the fact that having an undetectable PSA is a very good place to be regardless of Gleason score.

For example, you might be interested in this research which gives an indication of the relative importance. At 5 years after prostatectomy the hazard ratio (relative risk of future recurrence)  for Gleason 8+ was about 2 to 1 whereas the hazard ratio for PSA <0.02 was about 37 to 1, and 98.5% of men with PSA<0.02 at 5 years remained recurrence free at 10 years.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39716720/

Kevin

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Posted 03 Jul 2025 at 11:34
Hi Adrian,

A word that has worried the hell out of me since I found it on the pathology report. Researching really didn’t help either, the prediction tools usually say not suitable (very gloomy and that’s coming from a scientist), but when I did pluck up the courage to ask about 6 months after diagnosis was told not to worry. Quote “if we were to work in percentages with Gleason 9 that would give you 90% but adding the cribiform makes it 91 / 92 at best.” Bit hazy but the gist was we get rid of one we get rid of the other. I believe a Gleason 3 with cribiform would now be classified as Gleason 4 but a G4 still remains the same with cribiform so perhaps doesn’t add as much concern as the overall cell pattern is already pretty damaged. Whilst being in the report I’ve no idea if it is invasive ICC or non invasive DCIS 🤷‍♂️ and both have very different when it comes to aggression, but thanks for posting this as it’s given a lot more reassurance than found elsewhere on the net.

Thanks

Stuart

 
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