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Posted 30 Aug 2023 at 13:52

So after 4 weeks the wait is finally over. The MDT meeting yesterday must have finally got to my case notes, and I got a call telling me I have an appt tomorrow afternoon.

I wonder if, with the benefit of hindsight, anybody can offer advice on what I should be asking them? I am assuming there will be questions to be asked, as the hospital told me that if the result was clear they would write and tell me.

User
Posted 30 Aug 2023 at 18:07

Print this out, edit it with anything else you think of. Leave lots of blank space to write in your answers. Take in the piece of paper and a pen. 

Recording is also a good idea.

*****

Diagnosis:

What is the tumour stage T?

1,2a,2b,2c,3a,3b,4 

They may include the little letters a,b,c or it may just be the number.

If they do include a little letter it is something to do with the extend of spread, ask them to explain what that means. If they don't include a little letter ask to what extent it has spread.

Answers to these questions may be: only one tiny tumour, lots of little tumours, only one side, both sides, also seminal vascules, extra prostatic extension, also in bladder, also in rectum.

What is the Gleason score?

They may give you a Gleason Grade 1 to 5. If so ask if they know the two number score, this will be something like 3+4 it makes a difference which number is first so don't just remember 7 if they say 4+3.

What percent of the whole prostate has cancer?

They may quote number of positive cores, or millimetres per core, or a percentage. Ideally if you can get an answer like, "10% was Gleason pattern 4 and 20% was Gleason pattern 3.” that would be the easiest to interpret.

What is the N score?

0 would be great. If not 0 how many nodes, where are they, as in proximity to prostate?

What is the M score?

0 would be great. If not 0 where is it metastised to? Which bones? Is there any in soft tissue?

 

Treatment options:

Is active surveillance an option?

Unlikely if anything above T2N0M0

For all the following options, you need to know if you are clinically excluded, or just excluded because the hospital does not offer the treatment. Consider asking for a referral to another hospital if a treatment is clinically acceptable, but not available here.

Is HIFU an option?

Only likely if one or two spots of easy to reach cancer. 

Is LDR brachy an option?

Is HDR brachy an option?

Is EBRT (external beam radio therapy) an option?

Will hormone therapy (HT) be required? If so for how long?

Is prostatectomy an option? Would it be nerve sparing?

If N or M are not zero how will they be treated?

I can not think of anything else, but others may, so add them to the list. You will never remember this unless you have it printed out in front of you at the meeting, and you will never remember the answers unless you write them down or record it. If you record it, you are relying on technology more complicated than a pen and paper, that is risky!

 

 

Dave

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Posted 01 Sep 2023 at 10:17
It's a relief to know exactly what you are dealing with and my urologist gave me exactly the same response. The RARP was very straightforward (info in my profile) and far better than I was anticipating which I guess is normal given that we always fear the worst.

When you meet the surgeon ask about nerve sparing - if you still have a healthy sex life then that can make a significant difference when the nerves have recovered (typically 6-12 months afterwards).

The feeling of having it out of me afterwards was a real positive - even if further RT/HT treatments maybe necessary in the future.

Good luck and if you have any questions then just ask - plenty of us on the forum have been through it.

Steve

User
Posted 01 Sep 2023 at 12:06

Hi there…sorry you are going through this, my husband is just a month or so ahead of you in the process (with very similar results, see profile), so totally get where you are at the moment and what the journey is like! We have had meeting with surgeon and just waiting for RARP date, expecting to be Oct/nov time.

surgeon was very good at answering questions and giving info but made it very clear there would be side affects associated with RP (Incontinence and ED) and the intention is always to be nerve sparing but basically he would do what he needs to to remove the cancer when he gets in there…so basically it is what it is! But he reiterated that some of the recovery will be down to him, I.e preparation for surgery and post op advice taken and re the ED, how we handle it so to speak!

I’m sure you are…but please read what you can on the post op side effects especially the ED (if that is important to you), we feel forewarned is forearmed!  I’m not going to lie, mentally we are concerned about that aspect but know that we’ve made the right decision for us and know we’ve just not to give up, even though it might take a year or two….but I’m sure we will be also seeking more advice on here, this has been one of our best points of reference as there are so many gone on the journey before us!

keep your chin up!
Debbie

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Posted 01 Sep 2023 at 21:01

Ian, leakage is usually fairly plentiful in the first few weeks after catheter removal, although not always. Some men are remarkably dry from the off. It depends on the sort of work you do. If it's an office type of job where you are not too active and have ready access to toilets to change pads then you should get by okay. If you are active and out and about  in your work then things might be a bit more difficult. Make sure you always have a ready supply to pads to hand and something to put them in. Dog poo bags are always handy. Chris

User
Posted 05 Sep 2023 at 08:59

Having been  under the care of Addenbrookes during most of 2021 and having had my prostate removed a couple of days before Christmas of that year, I can, based on my own excellent treatment and care, say you are in very good hands. The 2 main surgeons who undertake removal have very good reputations and the after care is excellent.

 

If interested, my history and progress is listed on my profile

 

Ivan

User
Posted 05 Sep 2023 at 11:49

Hello Ian

 

My narrative and ramblings are under Diagnosis, sub-heading "Being diagnosed with prostate cancer", Page 3, the second entry from the bottom under the title Me as well by Oh Dear. Let me know if you still cannot find the narrative and I will endeavour to post a link.

 

If you have any questions etc feel free to ask them.

 

By the way, good luck with the surgeon

 

Ivan

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User
Posted 30 Aug 2023 at 17:12

Hi Harty

The only thing I would suggest is either to record the meeting on your phone and/or get someone to take notes. It's easy to forget exactly what was said. If treatment is needed there may well be decisions to be made, if so I am sure they will explain them clearly and give you the time you need.

In my experience the will be a specialist nurse there who can help explain things and answer questions during and after the meeting, and in fact at a later date if needed.

Good luck tomorrow, I hope it goes well

Tom

Edited by member 30 Aug 2023 at 17:13  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 30 Aug 2023 at 18:07

Print this out, edit it with anything else you think of. Leave lots of blank space to write in your answers. Take in the piece of paper and a pen. 

Recording is also a good idea.

*****

Diagnosis:

What is the tumour stage T?

1,2a,2b,2c,3a,3b,4 

They may include the little letters a,b,c or it may just be the number.

If they do include a little letter it is something to do with the extend of spread, ask them to explain what that means. If they don't include a little letter ask to what extent it has spread.

Answers to these questions may be: only one tiny tumour, lots of little tumours, only one side, both sides, also seminal vascules, extra prostatic extension, also in bladder, also in rectum.

What is the Gleason score?

They may give you a Gleason Grade 1 to 5. If so ask if they know the two number score, this will be something like 3+4 it makes a difference which number is first so don't just remember 7 if they say 4+3.

What percent of the whole prostate has cancer?

They may quote number of positive cores, or millimetres per core, or a percentage. Ideally if you can get an answer like, "10% was Gleason pattern 4 and 20% was Gleason pattern 3.” that would be the easiest to interpret.

What is the N score?

0 would be great. If not 0 how many nodes, where are they, as in proximity to prostate?

What is the M score?

0 would be great. If not 0 where is it metastised to? Which bones? Is there any in soft tissue?

 

Treatment options:

Is active surveillance an option?

Unlikely if anything above T2N0M0

For all the following options, you need to know if you are clinically excluded, or just excluded because the hospital does not offer the treatment. Consider asking for a referral to another hospital if a treatment is clinically acceptable, but not available here.

Is HIFU an option?

Only likely if one or two spots of easy to reach cancer. 

Is LDR brachy an option?

Is HDR brachy an option?

Is EBRT (external beam radio therapy) an option?

Will hormone therapy (HT) be required? If so for how long?

Is prostatectomy an option? Would it be nerve sparing?

If N or M are not zero how will they be treated?

I can not think of anything else, but others may, so add them to the list. You will never remember this unless you have it printed out in front of you at the meeting, and you will never remember the answers unless you write them down or record it. If you record it, you are relying on technology more complicated than a pen and paper, that is risky!

 

 

Dave

User
Posted 30 Aug 2023 at 18:14

Hi Tom,

Some great advice there, I can’t really add to that. I would recommend asking to record it even if your wife/partner is with you. You’ll both be nervous and anxious…and you will forget things.

Good luck for tomorrow….if it’s any consolation I think you will feel better when you know exactly what your diagnosis is and what your treatment options are. That may be the next difficult decision but try to stay positive and keep yourselves active, being kind to yourself and each other, it helps a lot?

Derek

User
Posted 30 Aug 2023 at 21:29

Thanks for the advice guys. Questions ready 👍

User
Posted 30 Aug 2023 at 21:49

If you are given the option of Prostatectomy and wish to go for it, you could ask what the waiting time would be. With EBRT you most usually start almost immediately with HT prior to the RT. Opting for Focal therapy should you prove a suitable candidate will almost certainly involve seeing a Focal Specialist to establish this. If you have not yet done so download the 'Tool Kit' which provides unbiased information on the disease and most treatments., as here https://shop.prostatecanceruk.org//our-publications/all-publications/tool-kit?limit=100

 

Edited by member 30 Aug 2023 at 21:49  | Reason: to highlight link

Barry
User
Posted 31 Aug 2023 at 10:40

Thanks Barry. I appreciate the feedback. 3 hours to go and climbing the walls!

Ian.

User
Posted 01 Sep 2023 at 09:52

So, that went about as well as I could have expected.

Not yet had the letter confirming everything obviously, but from my meeting yesterday I have indeed got PCa, both sides, but still contained.

T2C, 3+4=7, N0,M0

18 samples taken, 10 of which had cancer. 6 from the RHS and 4 from the LHS.

Am being offered Radiotherapy, Brachy or RARP. After a lengthy conversation with the consultant I am leaning towards RARP, based on my (relatively) young age at 59, the non repeatability of the first two options if this thing decides to reappear, and the fact that when asked if it was her husband in my position what would she tell him, she said categorically she would advise him to go for surgery.

Next step is a meeting with the surgeon at Addenbrookes to discuss this.

Feeling a bit numb, but strangely relieved that I at least know what is going on now, and have regained some form of control over what happens to me next.

User
Posted 01 Sep 2023 at 10:17
It's a relief to know exactly what you are dealing with and my urologist gave me exactly the same response. The RARP was very straightforward (info in my profile) and far better than I was anticipating which I guess is normal given that we always fear the worst.

When you meet the surgeon ask about nerve sparing - if you still have a healthy sex life then that can make a significant difference when the nerves have recovered (typically 6-12 months afterwards).

The feeling of having it out of me afterwards was a real positive - even if further RT/HT treatments maybe necessary in the future.

Good luck and if you have any questions then just ask - plenty of us on the forum have been through it.

Steve

User
Posted 01 Sep 2023 at 12:06

Hi there…sorry you are going through this, my husband is just a month or so ahead of you in the process (with very similar results, see profile), so totally get where you are at the moment and what the journey is like! We have had meeting with surgeon and just waiting for RARP date, expecting to be Oct/nov time.

surgeon was very good at answering questions and giving info but made it very clear there would be side affects associated with RP (Incontinence and ED) and the intention is always to be nerve sparing but basically he would do what he needs to to remove the cancer when he gets in there…so basically it is what it is! But he reiterated that some of the recovery will be down to him, I.e preparation for surgery and post op advice taken and re the ED, how we handle it so to speak!

I’m sure you are…but please read what you can on the post op side effects especially the ED (if that is important to you), we feel forewarned is forearmed!  I’m not going to lie, mentally we are concerned about that aspect but know that we’ve made the right decision for us and know we’ve just not to give up, even though it might take a year or two….but I’m sure we will be also seeking more advice on here, this has been one of our best points of reference as there are so many gone on the journey before us!

keep your chin up!
Debbie

User
Posted 01 Sep 2023 at 13:09

Thanks Debbie

 

We do indeed seem to have very similar results, right down to and including the mild Diverticular disease. This is also playing a part in my decision making, as despite the consultant saying it shouldn't be affected by RT, I have heard different stories.

Am reading plenty of info ref the side effects. To be honest with you, the one which worries me more is the leakage, as I am not ready to give up work yet, and am a bit paranoid that this might make it difficult for me to go back.

Thanks for the advice, and good luck with your journey through this.

Ian.

User
Posted 01 Sep 2023 at 21:01

Ian, leakage is usually fairly plentiful in the first few weeks after catheter removal, although not always. Some men are remarkably dry from the off. It depends on the sort of work you do. If it's an office type of job where you are not too active and have ready access to toilets to change pads then you should get by okay. If you are active and out and about  in your work then things might be a bit more difficult. Make sure you always have a ready supply to pads to hand and something to put them in. Dog poo bags are always handy. Chris

User
Posted 05 Sep 2023 at 08:59

Having been  under the care of Addenbrookes during most of 2021 and having had my prostate removed a couple of days before Christmas of that year, I can, based on my own excellent treatment and care, say you are in very good hands. The 2 main surgeons who undertake removal have very good reputations and the after care is excellent.

 

If interested, my history and progress is listed on my profile

 

Ivan

User
Posted 05 Sep 2023 at 11:05

Thanks for that Ivan, that's reassuring. Your profile says full information on your RARP is in your narrative, but being thick I cant find it? It would be really interesting to see how it went. Just waiting for the first meeting with the surgeon now 👍

Ian.

User
Posted 05 Sep 2023 at 11:49

Hello Ian

 

My narrative and ramblings are under Diagnosis, sub-heading "Being diagnosed with prostate cancer", Page 3, the second entry from the bottom under the title Me as well by Oh Dear. Let me know if you still cannot find the narrative and I will endeavour to post a link.

 

If you have any questions etc feel free to ask them.

 

By the way, good luck with the surgeon

 

Ivan

 
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