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Chris J's Journey

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Posted 05 Aug 2020 at 17:32

Chris, you've always ploughed your own furrow, and we all admire you for it.

re. HT, like others have said, maybe hitting it hard for a short period and then taking a HT "holiday" now feels right? Keep on fighting!

Flexi

 

User
Posted 05 Aug 2020 at 19:00
Okay, you have done it your way so far and have resisted the HT on the basis that you want to maintain your sex life. You have always known that there would be a time to have to rethink though, and I guess you are getting to that point - with spinal mets that are now causing significant pain and a mass in the abdomen, your days of rampant sexiness are going to come to a natural end if you don't have treatment. At least on HT, you may find that you are more like Alathays than you expected and can continue with a high libido & great sex until almost the end of your life. the only thing that perhaps separates you & Alathays is that he didn't have COVID getting in the way of all his cruises!

Be brave, my friend - you can always ask for the 1 month cartridge rather than the 3 month, and stop if you hate it too much.

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 05 Aug 2020 at 19:07
Thanks Lyn, I’ll have the talk and do what’s right. I’ve spent my life conforming. I’ll do what feels the best. Bazza encouraged me too in his last messages. This five years has passed quickly my friend x
User
Posted 05 Aug 2020 at 21:40
Hi Chris. Taking a look in. Sorry to hear your news. But you’ve been clear about your path and where it was leading to. I hope the face to face in a few weeks is positive and some agreed way forward can be found.

Reading your post has prompted me to arrange a PSA test. I have decided that not having it is not fair to those I hold dear.

Take care

Bri

User
Posted 05 Aug 2020 at 22:28

Thinking of you Chris at this difficult/decision time.

Listen to Lynn’s wise words, they make a lot of sense.

Arthur 

User
Posted 06 Aug 2020 at 07:49
Hi Chris

Gutted for you having to make this decision. Think I'd be in the try hormones knowing you can stop if you want camp.

Thanks again for all your advice over the past few years.

Good luck whichever way you go.

Cheers

Bill

User
Posted 06 Aug 2020 at 10:16

Hi Chris

Gosh it really is crux decision time. Really feel for you. A’s dad was advanced at diagnosis so straight onto hormone therapy so I have a little experience of the HT time.

As you know I am massively in the QOL  camp and know you and your ‘team’ will weigh up QOL without v QOL with.

I am sorry this seems to be a binary decision now and I know you will call it but from one QOL rater to another I think  Lyns direct opinion  has a lot of merit. You would know you had squeezed the max out Chris and who knows how the HT will impact 

Good Luck

Clare xxx

 

User
Posted 24 Aug 2020 at 11:07

Hi Chris, it’s funny but for some reason you came into my thoughts today and I recalled you saying you see your consultant around now. 
Hope that you get all the answers you need to make your difficult decision. I suspect, knowing you, you won’t leave till you get all the answers.
One day hopefully they’ll find something more targeted than the current HT treatment for future PCa sufferers.

I have 3 weeks till my next PSA & T tests. Hoping the PSA rise isn’t as great as the last time. HT seems to be taking forever to leave my system so looking forward to next Jan when it’s a year since it should have started to wear off.

Best of luck.

Phil

 

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Posted 24 Aug 2020 at 16:30
Thanks Phil. Just got off phone to specialist nurse but the actual Onco is on Friday ! She says I have multiple further bone mets to spine and ribs. Abdo lymph’s have doubled in size 20mm but lymph showing up at clavicle ( neck ) and also in a lung.

She said if they do nothing they can’t change the prognosis and will hand me to GP and hospice community team. May be able to add RT for bone pain etc.

If they do ‘ something’ then they could possibly change prognosis. That’s obvious even to me. But my mind is torn I’m so delicate about it all. Just had a great long loving fun weekend with my wife doing all the things a ‘ healthy’ couple do — because I feel healthy. But I lost the ability to be happy a long time back because of this disease. Not sure prolonging an unhappy life with reduction in quality is my choice. But 3 months to a year without treatment isnt appealing either. I’m not an idiot lol.

I fricking hate this at 53. All so sh**ty

User
Posted 24 Aug 2020 at 18:06

I really feel for you Chris although I can’t imagine what your going through.

I have to say I’ve not enjoyed my time on HT but...and it’s a big but, I didn’t get the physical issues much at all - still trained hard and ran a Tough Mudder. My real issue was my head, but for me it was mainly to do with past trauma resurfacing and me having to deal with that and understanding how it had affected me. And with the help of my counsellor I think I’m getting there.

So I personally feel you could stand a chance of not really noticing the HT. My libido did slip a bit but didn’t disappear completely. But a lot of that is to do with what’s in your head at the time.

I’d say give it a chance. You may be fine on it. 

Phil 

 

User
Posted 24 Aug 2020 at 21:20
It looks like you had a fantastic weekend away - I shall add to my list of places to see.

I get what you are saying about ability to be happy but, in reality, you had poor mental health before you were diagnosed; PCa has just added to the tihs. Let me know how the convo goes this week x

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

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Posted 24 Aug 2020 at 21:50
Thanks Lyn. You have to see Winchester. It was the capital of England for a long while. The land that time forgot. Like visiting Spain or France or Italy but in the UK. Awesome landmarks also. Very very pretty but a long way from you x
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Posted 24 Aug 2020 at 22:27
We drove past it this weekend and I realised that I have a number of clients in that area so I will get there ... once I am allowed out of the house :-(
"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

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Posted 25 Aug 2020 at 00:03
Pretty certain you will do what you want so I won't apologise for saying what I think you should do: Your cancer is basically chemo and hormone naive, surely it's worth trying at least one round of chemo and HT, you could get years of pain free life albeit sex free too.

User
Posted 25 Aug 2020 at 08:45

Francij1 , the HT doesn’t necessarily mean no sex. Everyone reacts differently to it.

Phil 

User
Posted 25 Aug 2020 at 09:09
I’d just like to add at this juncture that this decision s no longer really based on libido or sex. I’m gonna lose that anyway I know. Complex mental and medication issues in the mix also. But many thanks guys for some input as ever x
User
Posted 25 Aug 2020 at 10:58

Hi Chris.

I have been following you since 2016 when i joined the club and followed your fight every step of the way and admire your strength but also the advice and help you give to others with their own fight with PC.

Good luck with your next decision and i am sure you will do it your way.

Regards John & Pat.

User
Posted 25 Aug 2020 at 19:45

As a newbie I cannot not offer any advice but wish to send you a positive virtual hug and love especially for your kindness when I first reached out for some advice for my OH.

Feeling sad at your news 😢 

 

Kind regards 

 

Moozel

User
Posted 25 Aug 2020 at 23:25

Hi Chris, I think Moozel has said it perfectly. Your posts and messages have helped many. You've had more experience of this disease than most (sadly). So no advice from me, just another virtual hug. 

Dave

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Posted 04 Sep 2020 at 09:59
Longest month of my life , and sorry probably the longest post of my life. It’s awful that humans have to go through anguish like this.

I’m not brave nor a coward , I’m not an inspiration ( Irun is !! ). I am a thinker , well educated and a bit of a risk taker.

I’ve actually not wanted to post for fear of unwelcome comments, but felt this huge thread needed updating.

Not once in this 5 yrs post op have I had the luxury of a tiny psa nor a glimmer of hope cure-wise. Even the much refused SRT was always explained as unlikely to be curative , so I took the QOL path and have no complaints that the last 5 yrs have been a great adventure for us all. And the nicest little job as school caretaker that I’ve ever had ( but just decided to hand my notice in ).

So 5 long years of watching my psa go stupid , at least 6 CT and Bone scans and 2 PET scans , all with nothing to show until recently. A true case of micro-mets for sure with last psa months ago at 440.

I’ve had a bit of a cancer bomb go off inside me this last 6 months. Multiple spine , rib and a hip met. Two large abdo lymph’s which have decided to travel to clavicle and a lung also.

It’s been 2 weeks of long talks with Onco , GP , specialist nurses and hospice councillor. At this point you realise just how specialised and empathetic and supportive all these people are and how neutral they are with no pressure. My GP is director of palliative care at a local superb hospice and has already secured me a place there and counciling within a week. He’s known me 8 yrs solid and my 28 yr history of mental struggles and bipolar. Seeing the state of me at the moment he feels we should treat me and my fears and wishes , rather than just the cancer. Most councillors say there is no right nor wrong and that you have to make your own decision. Ultimately you aren’t responsible to anyone nor have to justify yourself to anyone. The buck stops with you.

A close friend lost his wife to breast cancer. He told me at the end she wished to hell she hadn’t had all the treatments and felt she had just wasted time ill and depressed , and all the blue lights and pointless invasive procedures sounded horrible. I asked my Onco to his face if he thought I was a tit and he laughed really loud. He said he way preferred a challenge with an educated couple rather than someone who just did everything he was told.

In the next few weeks I’ll be getting a large single palliative dose of RT to ribs and spine which should cleanly end all this griping pain I have. Other than that I’ve stuck to the plan. No HT and chemo not available anyway. Big family holiday booked and hopefully some lovely trips with my wife over the next year. That’s what I love most.

Sorry for the epic diatribe

Love and wishes and support as ever to all going through this

Chris

 
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