Cheshire Chris's Treatment Thread

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Posted 14 Sep 2019 at 06:35

Excellent news Chris and what a great consultant! Shame they don’t all do that, we often wait months for the written reports and almost never see reports on scans.

love Devonmaid xxx

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Posted 15 Sep 2019 at 16:54

Great news Chris. Sounds like you have a very good consultant.

Ido4

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Posted 25 Sep 2019 at 21:04

I find myself with a new issue.

For over a year now I’ve been taking 150mg/day bicalutimide, together with 20mg tamoxifen twice a week to counteract breast growth, which has worked fine. In the last few weeks, though, my breast area has shown definite “development” and on the right side in particular has become quite painful - an almost constant aching pain. Not severe pain, but certainly noticeable.

I’m not due to see my oncologist again until mid November, but I’ve contacted his secretary and she’s arranged for my GP’s surgery to be sent a fax authorising an increase in my tamoxifen dose to 10mg/day, so I’m hoping that the increased dose will sort it out. Does anyone know if there’s any other treatment available if it doesn’t? Does the NHS fund breast reduction surgery should things reach that stage?

Hopefully I won’t be on bicalutimide for that many more months anyway - my oncologist was suggesting stopping it after 18 months (I’m a little over 13 months thus far).

Any advice would be gratefully received.

Chris

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Posted 25 Sep 2019 at 21:48

You can go up to 20mg/day tamoxifen. Note that tamoxifen takes a long time to build up to the target level in the body, so it might take 2 months before you see changes as a result of changing the dose. Dose escalation for first week can get around that, but I've never seen it suggested (except by me) or prescribed.

However, I would ask why you're on an anti-androgen rather than an LHRH testosterone suppressant (such as Zoladex or Prostap)? Whilst you can get breast growth on any hormone therapy, bicalutamide is particularly bad for it. For me, it stopped when I switched to Zoladex.

You should be having periodic blood tests (FBC, LFT, GGT) while on tamoxifen, to make sure it's not too toxic for your liver. If you have a significantly raised alanine aminotranferase (ALT) level (not just slightly raised) and your platelet count is low, your liver doesn't like tamoxifen and it might give you non-alcoholic fatty liver disease (NAFLD). If your gamma-GT level is also high, you run the risk of NAFLD turning in to cirrhosis of the liver.

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Posted 25 Sep 2019 at 22:21

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

Does anyone know if there’s any other treatment available if it doesn’t? Does the NHS fund breast reduction surgery should things reach that stage?

No other treatment available - RT to the breast buds only works if you have it right at the start of being on HT and despite Andy's research to the contrary, the generally accepted view in oncology is that tamoxifen will not reverse breast growth. John was a rugby player until recently and although the moobs have never quite gone, he did enough weight training for it to be hard to tell now whether they are moobs or impressive pecs (probably a bit of both). He is quite big in build anyway so I realise that wouldn't be a solution for all.

We have had a member here who had breast reduction on the NHS and I also know of someone in our village but as is the case for for women, to get it on the NHS you have to demonstrate that it is causing either physical health problems or significant mental distress. I don't imagine it is too difficult to convince a surgeon that you are distressed but based on a recent posting here, persuading the GP that it is bad enough to be referred to a surgeon may be a challenge.

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

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Posted 25 Sep 2019 at 22:30

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

However, I would ask why you're on an anti-androgen rather than an LHRH testosterone suppressant

Another postcode lottery Andy - some areas only give testosterone suppressants or oestrogen on non-curative treatment paths while anyone on curative or salvage RT / HT has the anti-androgen. In other areas, it comes down to oncologist preference, whether LHRH / GnRH is given at hospital or GP practices in that area or the medical context of the patient.

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

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Posted 26 Sep 2019 at 08:12

Thanks, Lyn and Andy. Things aren't yet at the stage where I'd want surgical intervention, but if they go much further it would be something I'd perhaps consider. Hopefully the increased dose of tamoxifen will do the trick in terms of preventing any further growth.

Best wishes,

Chris

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Posted 27 Sep 2019 at 14:19

Just a quick comment on the bicalutamide issue. Chris is being treated at the same centre as myself. My brother is being treated at the Christie as a private patient. When his cancer recurred, his consultant put him straight on to bicalutamide, I don't think he was offered an alternative. This seems to imply that if you live in the North West, at either of the 2 specialist centres, bicalutamide is seen as the default option.

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Posted 27 Sep 2019 at 14:48

I asked my oncologist why he prescribed it, Pete, and he said that it's because he considers the side-effects to be generally less severe than the injections. And aside from this, I have experienced few side-effects. I've been fortunate enough to avoid such things as hot flushes. I had a few months of feeling as if my head was full of cotton-wool and a general inability to think clearly, but that cleared up. I guess that the breast development at least shows that the bicalutimide is doing its job of blocking testosterone reception to the extent that my body thinks it's now feminine!

Best wishes,

Chris

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Posted 27 Sep 2019 at 15:37

Chris - I asked my brother how he has coped with bicalutamide and it's the breast enlargement issue that has bothered him the most. He was on it for 2 years around his high dose brachytherapy treatment and has now been on it again for 18 months. To be fair he says that the other side effects have not caused him too much trouble.

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Posted 27 Sep 2019 at 17:27

I had Bical 150 for 11 months , and it worked really well dropping my psa. We then decided to stop and to try and ‘ find ‘ the recurrence. And you know where I am now. I had big side effects initially but then none at all to be honest. I had weekly 20mg Tamoxifen with it. It’s far kinder than injections but normally doesn’t work that long for some men before injection HT has to start. I may ask to try this first again if I have to start further treatment. The more tools in the bag the better .....

If life gives you lemons , then make lemonade

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Posted 27 Sep 2019 at 18:15

I've certainly been relatively untroubled by side-effects, Chris. Even this latest issue is not that big a deal.

Best wishes,

Chris

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Posted 28 Sep 2019 at 12:56

Exactly six months now since I finished my RT 😀. Everything seems to be going pretty well. I've had no bowel issues for several months now other than a very, very occasional episode of passing some clear mucus. The proctitis (a burning sensation inside the back passage), which I was getting bouts of for several months after RT ended appears to have completely cleared up, so all in all I'm happy with life.

I have my next PSA test and subsequent oncology appointment in early November. My PSA was 31 on diagnosis, had fallen through HT to 13.0 immediately prior to RT and was 4.6 in May, six weeks after RT, so I'm hoping for another significant fall. My oncologist says that nadir of 2 or below 18 months after RT would be a good result. I'm on bicalutimide, not the injections which block testosterone production, so I'm not going to see the "undetectable" PSA that people on the injections can get.

I'm very comfortable with my decision to go down the HT/RT treatment route. It's what I always preferred, so I was happy when it was what both my urologist and oncologist recommended.

Best wishes,

Chris

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Posted 28 Sep 2019 at 13:42

Thanks for answering my post. Were you offered gel interface injection to protect rectum before RT?

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Posted 28 Sep 2019 at 13:58

Is hydrogel interface injection generally available to protect large bowel?

https://www.england.nhs.uk/2019/05/nhs-funds-tech-to-protect-prostate-cancer-patients-during-radiation-treatment/

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Posted 28 Sep 2019 at 14:34

No. If you read back through my treatment thread you’ll see that I investigated getting “SpaceOAR” gel, but it didn’t work out for me. It’s not something which is currently routinely offered on the NHS.

Best wishes,

Chris

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Posted 29 Oct 2019 at 16:12

PSA test this morning, 7 months after the end of my RT. I should know the result on Thursday. Fingers crossed there will have been a significant fall from my PSA result of 4.6 six weeks after RT.

Chris

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Posted 29 Oct 2019 at 16:29

Best of luck Chris. Rooting for you, and of course everyone else in this rocky boat of ours 😊

Phil

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Posted 29 Oct 2019 at 16:34

Cheers, Phil. The fact I'm growing a splendid pair of boobs is probably proof that the bicalutimide is still working well for me, so I'm hopeful I'll see a fall when I get the results on Thursday. My oncologist tells me that as long as my PSA is below 2 at the nadir around 18 months after RT (ie in about another year) he'll be pleased.

Cheers,

Chris

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Posted 29 Oct 2019 at 17:36

Good luck on next results. HT/RT served me well so hopefully you as well.

Ray

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Posted 29 Oct 2019 at 17:59

Chris

my timeline of PSA readings went

4 months after RT 0.5

8 months 0.2

12 months less than 0.1

In 2 weeks I get 16 month result

my last HT injection in July has just run out this week😁

Oncologist agreed to me stopping HT as PSA is graded “undetectable” under 0.1 in my NHS area

As you are on Bicalutamide and not LHRH your readings are very promising

Edited by member 29 Oct 2019 at 18:00 | Reason: Not specified

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Posted 29 Oct 2019 at 20:00

Thanks, all. Waiting for results is always a bit stressful no matter how many times you go through it!

Cheers,

Chris

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Posted 30 Oct 2019 at 08:53

Hope the result is good Chris. Always very stressful waiting.

Ido4

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Posted 30 Oct 2019 at 16:31

Excellent news - my PSA is now 2.0. That’s better than I’d dared hope for, given that my oncologist said he’d regard my RT as a success if my PSA was below 2 at nadir, and that’s probably still a year away. I really couldn’t be happier. All the indications are that my RT was successful, and that’s a huge weight off my mind.

Cheers,

Chris

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Posted 31 Oct 2019 at 08:53

Nice one. The future is looking brighter for you now.

Ray

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Posted 31 Oct 2019 at 12:49

Fantastic news Chris. Very pleased for you.

Ido4

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Posted 31 Oct 2019 at 14:08

Great news Chris. Long may it continue 👍

Phil

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Posted 31 Oct 2019 at 14:39

Nice one👍

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Posted 31 Oct 2019 at 17:22

Looking good Chris. Best wishes to you !

If life gives you lemons , then make lemonade

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Posted 31 Oct 2019 at 18:08

Thanks for the good wishes, everyone. Off out this evening with friends for a celebratory curry 😃.

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Posted 14 Nov 2019 at 20:29

I saw my oncologist yesterday. He professed himself delighted (as was I!) by my latest PSA test result of 2.0, and readily agreed to my suggestion that I might stop HT at 18 months, which will be 17th Feb next year.

I mentioned the issue of the breast enlargement I've been experiencing to him, and rather to my surprise he's suggested breast-bud RT to prevent further growth. Surprising because I requested it at the start of my treatment and he put me on tamoxifen instead. Anyway, I'll probably be having that in a fortnight. It's two zaps on successive days, apparently.

I'm seeing my oncologist again next May, and then, assuming everything remains on track, it'll be 6-monthly telephone chats with a nurse unless my PSA starts to rise again.

I'm off on holiday to Egypt on Monday, which should be a nice escape from our "beautiful" British weather 😁. Looking forward to seeing some warm sunshine!

Cheers,

Chris

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Posted 14 Nov 2019 at 21:33

Great news Chris 👍🏼

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Posted 14 Nov 2019 at 22:13

Have a fantastic time

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

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Posted 14 Nov 2019 at 23:35

I remember our first chat on the phone Chris, i'm overjoyed to hear your news my friend, long may it continue

Alan

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Posted 15 Nov 2019 at 06:27

Fantastic news Chris. Just enjoy to the max !

If life gives you lemons , then make lemonade

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Posted 15 Nov 2019 at 08:36

Thanks, everyone, and thank you in particular, Alan, for the support you gave me when I was going through some pretty tough times mentally after my diagnosis. It's been a long and occasionally difficult journey, but I'm very much feeling now as if the end is in sight.

Chris

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Posted 04 Dec 2019 at 11:45

I had a wonderful holiday in Egypt - visited some fascinating ancient sites and had lovely warm sunshine. I was a little concerned about how my digestive system would handle the trip (it's been a little "temperamental" since my RT) but I had no problems whatsoever in that area.

This morning had the first of my two treatments for breast-bud RT back at Clatterbridge. An awful lot less hassle than my prostate RT! No "prep" needed - just take my top off, and lie for five minutes with a machine pressed against my chest. I've been advised that skin reddening - like sunburn - is likely in about a week, so they've given me a huge jar of moisturising cream to rub on my chest three times a day. I have the second and final treatment tomorrow morning.

Cheers,

Chris

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Posted 04 Dec 2019 at 16:09

The Egypt holiday sounds great, glad you enjoyed it.

Hope you don’t have too much “sun” burn in the breast buds!

Ido4

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Posted 04 Dec 2019 at 16:35

Thanks - so do I 😁

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Posted 04 Dec 2019 at 17:12

Holiday sounds great Chris.

Hoping all goes well from now on ...

Phil

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Posted 04 Dec 2019 at 17:19

I now have two vivid red saucer-size circles on my chest which are rather tender, so so much for the "it'll take a week to develop" remark from the RT nurse 😀.

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Posted 04 Dec 2019 at 21:09

Let's hope it does the business Chris. Interesting that they are giving you the treatment during the HT as you keep hearing that it is only effective if given before. I have to say that never made sense to me. Sounds like a great trip to Egypt - so much to see there.

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Posted 04 Dec 2019 at 21:40

I'm having it now, Pete, because it's only recently that I've experienced noticeable breast growth. I think my oncologist was hoping that the Tamoxifen alone would be sufficient which, to be fair, it was for over a year.

Cheers,

Chris

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Posted 12 Jan 2020 at 20:00

Feeling a bit sore at the moment. I went out for a walk earlier on and stupidly tripped over something and went flying. Unfortunately I landed very hard on a rather pointy rock on my right side, just where my one remaining kidney is. Slightly worrying, given that I'm in big trouble if I damage that kidney, but I seem to have escaped with nothing more than a bad bruise.

Chris

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Posted 13 Jan 2020 at 19:50

Hope you’re feeling ok after the fall Chris. We gotta look after our bodies now we’re not teenagers any more 🤔

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Posted 13 Jan 2020 at 20:13

Thanks. It was extremely painful trying to sleep last night, and I had some concern that I could have broken my hip, particularly since I'm on HT, which can weaken bones. I saw the nurse at my GP's surgery this afternoon, though, and after much poking and prodding she said that it's just badly bruised, so no permanent harm done. Probably going to be very sore for a few days, though.

Cheers,

Chris

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Posted 13 Jan 2020 at 20:27

Hope you ok Chris. I tried a bunny-hop on my boys micro scooter aged 52 a few months ago. Totally wiped out but just managed to save my face and chin. My hands , shoulders and arms were agony for days !

If life gives you lemons , then make lemonade

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Posted 13 Jan 2020 at 20:37

Thanks, Chris. I’m a keen walker, and this is the first time I’ve ever done anything like that. Hopefully it’ll be the last, too!

Cheers,

Chris

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Posted 14 Jan 2020 at 09:56

None of us likes to be reminded we are getting older. Something the PCa made me very aware of and I struggled with that thought for a while.

Take care out there guys ....

Phil

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Posted 14 Jan 2020 at 11:53

Sure does Phil, I was extremely fit 65 year old, cycling daily an average of 160 miles a week and entering 100km endurance events, some hilly challenges as well!

2 years down the road the RT and HT has knocked me back severely and I struggle with 3 times a week totalling 60 to 80 miles.

Cycling has been my life since retiring just before PCa and I never thought of my self as old as I was super fit.

I now feel it! I’m now 3 months since expired HT and every week I hope to feel better

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