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Posted 23 Dec 2022 at 11:15

Merry Christmas everyone,  I was diagnosed about 18 month ago, my bio is upto date. I wondered what others thought of their nurse specialist? I only ask as I have had no.contact from mine since I was diagnosed. The one time I tried to contact her (team) I never received a call back. At the time, I was after my first PSA result following the start of HT. I found out the result from other people. Am I expecting too much that they check on me occasionally or should it  be up to me to  bother them if i have a need? My wife when going through breast cancer treatment says her nurse often rang her up to see how she was getting on.

I will start a new thread with a specific question on treatment.

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Posted 23 Dec 2022 at 13:14

I have supported people from several different hospitals, and I'd have to say there's an enormous variation in the care the CNSs give. My CNSs were brilliant at Luton & Dunstable Hospital in 2018, and they're still there, indeed one more of them plus an excellent support worker now. I still only ever hear glowing reports about them, and they seem to try to be present in all consultations from the point of diagnosis, so they know what the situation is first-hand with each patient. I saw them separately a couple of times too when I was first diagnosed.

I'm not going to mention other hospitals by name, but some simply don't have anywhere near enough. A CNS at a conference told me she only gets time to see each patient once, and that will either be at diagnosis, or at treatment choice - clearly, that's not good enough. Some hospitals don't have staff with the right personality doing the job - I've heard of appallingly insensitive nurses several times from a few hospitals.

I think one of the problems is that while we the patients can clearly see the value of CNSs, hospital management don't. If you've had a good experience with your CNSs, do make sure you feed that back, because in the current climate when there's a serious shortage of qualified CNSs, lots are due to retire soon, and hospitals are looking to cut back, they could so easily vanish.

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Posted 28 Jan 2023 at 10:21
Thanks Andy that makes sense and explains my experience which was identical to the Analyst. What I would say is I wish my CNS had not told me he was always available given me his card with number on which turned out to be the the general CNS office which was almost always on voice mail.

It was answered once by another CNS who spent almost an hour talking me through my options and although she didn't tell what to do helped me come to the best choice for me.

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Posted 28 Jan 2023 at 23:46

Similar bad experience!

Specialist nurse was wheeled out during initial diagnosis.  Seemed to be a method for the urologist to run off asap!

OH and I call her the clucky nurse - older lady, who oohs and ahhs in a 'sympathetic' way, but seems to have far less knowledge than we have after some considerable internet research.  I've tried to send her email questions on 6 occasions for info over the first year and had responses on 2 after 3 or 4 days. 

She's never contacted me to check up on how I am, even after I've sent an email where I was quite distressed!

Luckily my oncologist let slip her email address, so I tend to contact her. However, her response rate isn't any better.

Unfortunately, we have to remember we are dealing with the NHS which is running on administration systems that are terminally broken! Some lovely, well-meaning and sometimes hard working staff, but they couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery!

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Posted 06 Mar 2023 at 10:46

I have given up on the hospital CNS, not because they were not helpful or friendly which they most certainly were, but because they were so hard to get through to and to date, I am fortunate enough not to have had any urgent issues. My three monthly telephone consultation is now normally with one of my surgeon's team. Again, to date.we thankfully have little to discuss but I have found that the report to my GP is not always an accurate record of the conversation. For instance, me stating that I no longer wear a pad when I am at home but for confidence, and the occasional drip, often wear a thin one when out for the day was reported as I am now 'pad free' .  Boosting statistics, or just not listening? 

Edited by member 06 Mar 2023 at 10:50  | Reason: Not specified

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Posted 23 Dec 2022 at 13:14

I have supported people from several different hospitals, and I'd have to say there's an enormous variation in the care the CNSs give. My CNSs were brilliant at Luton & Dunstable Hospital in 2018, and they're still there, indeed one more of them plus an excellent support worker now. I still only ever hear glowing reports about them, and they seem to try to be present in all consultations from the point of diagnosis, so they know what the situation is first-hand with each patient. I saw them separately a couple of times too when I was first diagnosed.

I'm not going to mention other hospitals by name, but some simply don't have anywhere near enough. A CNS at a conference told me she only gets time to see each patient once, and that will either be at diagnosis, or at treatment choice - clearly, that's not good enough. Some hospitals don't have staff with the right personality doing the job - I've heard of appallingly insensitive nurses several times from a few hospitals.

I think one of the problems is that while we the patients can clearly see the value of CNSs, hospital management don't. If you've had a good experience with your CNSs, do make sure you feed that back, because in the current climate when there's a serious shortage of qualified CNSs, lots are due to retire soon, and hospitals are looking to cut back, they could so easily vanish.

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Posted 28 Jan 2023 at 10:21
Thanks Andy that makes sense and explains my experience which was identical to the Analyst. What I would say is I wish my CNS had not told me he was always available given me his card with number on which turned out to be the the general CNS office which was almost always on voice mail.

It was answered once by another CNS who spent almost an hour talking me through my options and although she didn't tell what to do helped me come to the best choice for me.

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Posted 28 Jan 2023 at 13:13

Any posts or threads about CNS make me feel a bit angry and envious. John had the same CNS as my dad and father-in-law - she was absolutely dreadful. In the 13 years since J was diagnosed (and 25 or so years since dad was diagnosed) she has never once returned our call. I don't even know if she is still in post. We did once meet the oncology CNS and he seemed nice but we weren't given a number for him.
Having said that, there used to be a CNS who was a member of this forum and seemed very committed and caring - not sure if she is still a member?

Edited by member 28 Jan 2023 at 13:14  | Reason: Not specified

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Posted 28 Jan 2023 at 23:46

Similar bad experience!

Specialist nurse was wheeled out during initial diagnosis.  Seemed to be a method for the urologist to run off asap!

OH and I call her the clucky nurse - older lady, who oohs and ahhs in a 'sympathetic' way, but seems to have far less knowledge than we have after some considerable internet research.  I've tried to send her email questions on 6 occasions for info over the first year and had responses on 2 after 3 or 4 days. 

She's never contacted me to check up on how I am, even after I've sent an email where I was quite distressed!

Luckily my oncologist let slip her email address, so I tend to contact her. However, her response rate isn't any better.

Unfortunately, we have to remember we are dealing with the NHS which is running on administration systems that are terminally broken! Some lovely, well-meaning and sometimes hard working staff, but they couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery!

User
Posted 03 Mar 2023 at 17:56

Both my brachytherapy and surgical specialist nurses have been superb - I can't fault them. Quick answers to questions and always available.

Alas, can't say I've had the same now I'm with Oncology!

User
Posted 03 Mar 2023 at 23:51

My Macmillan Nurse experience  has been very good.  When I was first diagnosed I thought meeting a nurse meant it was benign.  But she gave me the news and said she was a Macmillan Nurse which was the clue I suppose.   She was very good and always called back at 5pm if I rang  which I often did, to try to get my bone and MRI scan results which she gave me as they came in.  She was later promoted to head at Blackpool.

Then 2yrs later post op I was put on phone calls to a CNS who covers both urology and uro-oncology at Preston/Chorley.  The 2 I've spoken to have been good as well, answering my texts a couple of times asking for psa results when they hadn't been the best but usually ringing me to talk about it.

I noticed an advert for one and they're paid well above a standard nurse.

User
Posted 04 Mar 2023 at 09:52

There's a letter in Thursday's Times from a GP who says the CNS is already doing the role of the reduced trained specialist doctor that is being suggested.

User
Posted 04 Mar 2023 at 11:28

Some hospitals have recognised many of their consultants don't have the right bed-side manor (nor the time) to deal with telling patients they have cancer, and that has become the CNS's job. The diagnosis is usually delivered when you're still under urology, and telling people they have a potentially fatal disease isn't what urology is mostly about, unlike oncology. Oncology consultants tend to be better at this, but not yet involved in the case of prostate cancer. In my hospital, the urology consultant told me with the CNS present, and she then took me off to have a longer chat. He didn't have a great bedside manor, but I had already looked him up and found he was a well respected urologist and I could live with the less than perfect bedside manor.

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Posted 05 Mar 2023 at 17:54

I have no complaints about my own CNS.

However you may note from my "Leo Robot" personal story that following my last 3 PSA tests I have been called by a "GP interested in oncology" instead. My "new" oncologist does have a nice "bedside manner" (IMHO), but I haven't spoken to him for a long time.

Makes one wonder?
 

Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one - Albert Einstein
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Posted 05 Mar 2023 at 19:12
My CNS for both my prostate and kidney cancer aftercare have been excellent. They have voicemail, but always phone back by the end of the day when I leave a message. I've been signed off by my oncologist and have a six-monthly phone call with my prostate CNS and she's always ready helpful. Couldn't ask for better.

Chris

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Posted 06 Mar 2023 at 10:46

I have given up on the hospital CNS, not because they were not helpful or friendly which they most certainly were, but because they were so hard to get through to and to date, I am fortunate enough not to have had any urgent issues. My three monthly telephone consultation is now normally with one of my surgeon's team. Again, to date.we thankfully have little to discuss but I have found that the report to my GP is not always an accurate record of the conversation. For instance, me stating that I no longer wear a pad when I am at home but for confidence, and the occasional drip, often wear a thin one when out for the day was reported as I am now 'pad free' .  Boosting statistics, or just not listening? 

Edited by member 06 Mar 2023 at 10:50  | Reason: Not specified

 
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