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User
Posted 02 Nov 2022 at 05:12

Before I begin, please keep in mind that partner is totally closed off about his prostate cancer.  It's like it never happened.  If I try to start a conversation, I'm told it's none of your business or he will get up and leave the room. Due to other medical conditions Viagra and like drugs are out of the question, as well as other options. 

It's been two and a half years since his prostatectomy and he's flaccid and unable to penetrate.  He's open to assisted masterbation and oral sex.  If he's not in the mood, I'll gently caress is torso until he falls asleep.  As for me, I could care less about sex,  I had a complete hysterectomy and am unable to take synthetic hormones.  My libido left a long time ago.  

My main goal is to ensure that he knows that I still find him desirable and he's still masculine.  It's been touch and go and we're finding a way to live with the "new" him.  For about a week I've been thinking about wearing lingerie (bra, garter, hose, high heels, you get the picture). 

I want him to think, Wow! my girl dressed up for me. She still desires me, but on the other hand, I'm really scared it might be too much for him or put undue pressure on him to perform.  I wouldn't hurt him for all the money in the world.  Any thoughts?  Thank you. 

 

User
Posted 04 Nov 2022 at 14:08

One thing I have realised through this journey is that nothing prepares you. On one hand you are thankful and grateful for every new day, on the other hand you wonder whether the ED and the incontinence was a worthy price to pay. It is sadly a mixture of emotion, one thing I have also realised is that experiences are not often similar, so no 1-size fits all.

I am a normally fairly laid back, quite chilled with a positive disposition, however this condition has knocked me and I sometimes wonder whether I should have done that PSA test. I also wonder whether surgery to remove my prostate was the best option. It is difficult for men to open up at the best of times, even more difficult to talk about something that affects their (perceived) manhood. I never thought, I would in my 50s have an issue where I looked at my wife's behind and nothing happens down there. A lot of men go into surgery without appraising the adverse impact of their decision. I wonder if there has been a study on the adverse effect on the "quality of life" of men (and their spouses) following prostate cancer treatment. I certainly went in blind, was told nerve sparing was going to be bilateral, I foolishly thought it was an exact science, and that meant regaining full erection. 

User
Posted 02 Nov 2022 at 16:40

MP, I have sent you a link to an article about flaccid insertion . It worked for us. You may have to copy the link into your browser. 

 

Alternatively have a look at this post it contains a link that does work in my reply.

https://community.prostatecanceruk.org/posts/t27440-How-to-regain-intamacy#post258347

 

Thanks Chris.

 

Edited by member 02 Nov 2022 at 16:53  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 02 Nov 2022 at 23:16

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
I want him to think, Wow! my girl dressed up for me. She still desires me, but on the other hand, I'm really scared it might be too much for him or put undue pressure on him to perform. I wouldn't hurt him for all the money in the world. Any thoughts? Thank you.

Very difficult, but you're clearly very caring for your husband. Maybe improved communication would be a better starting point than the lingerie. It would be horrible for it to go down like a lead balloon.

Jules

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Posted 02 Nov 2022 at 07:27
Are you sure there is not a bit of "reflection" going on here? You say you don't care about sex and you just want him to know you care about him but maybe you are actually missing the attention?

Speaking from my own experience I never once lost interest in sex or felt emasculated. For me it was just so annoyingly frustrating that I could get so mentally aroused but have no physical way of expressing that arousal.

You will find every kind of emotional response to the traumatic impact of PC on sex lives on this forum. Ultimately only you 2 can make your "new normal" work for you both. Keep searching and try and get the ignorant old git to talk!

User
Posted 02 Nov 2022 at 16:40

MP, I have sent you a link to an article about flaccid insertion . It worked for us. You may have to copy the link into your browser. 

 

Alternatively have a look at this post it contains a link that does work in my reply.

https://community.prostatecanceruk.org/posts/t27440-How-to-regain-intamacy#post258347

 

Thanks Chris.

 

Edited by member 02 Nov 2022 at 16:53  | Reason: Not specified

User
Posted 02 Nov 2022 at 23:16

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
I want him to think, Wow! my girl dressed up for me. She still desires me, but on the other hand, I'm really scared it might be too much for him or put undue pressure on him to perform. I wouldn't hurt him for all the money in the world. Any thoughts? Thank you.

Very difficult, but you're clearly very caring for your husband. Maybe improved communication would be a better starting point than the lingerie. It would be horrible for it to go down like a lead balloon.

Jules

User
Posted 02 Nov 2022 at 23:55

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

...lingerie (bra, garter, hose, high heels, you get the picture). 

damn it, I wish you could post pictures to this site.

Dave

User
Posted 03 Nov 2022 at 02:33

Men can have very different attitudes concerning sexual relations after radical treatment to the point that they sometimes switch off and don't wish to discuss. It has even resulted in the break up of marriages in some cases as reported by members. Whilst I appreciate you have and are doing what you can to 'encourage' your man. It could be that what you are proposing might emphasise his inability to perform, even to a lesser extent but you are in the best position to know he is likely to react. Obviously, you don't want to make the situation worse. Really, you need to have a meaningful and forthright discussion with him on the way you both feel and wish to try to improve this part of your relationship but as we have seen on this forum over the years, it can be difficult to get an affected man to engage even in doing this. Sometimes, it can help to get a skilled professional involved but not all men are prepared to take this route. Is there a support group in your area?

Edited by member 03 Nov 2022 at 14:30  | Reason: Not specified

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Posted 03 Nov 2022 at 05:44

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
Are you sure there is not a bit of "reflection" going on here? You say you don't care about sex and you just want him to know you care about him but maybe you are actually missing the attention?

Not at all.  The loss of estrogen following a hysterectomy can kill a woman's sex drive.   I love the much improved attention I am receiving.  What is it about prostatectomy that turn some men into great cuddlers?  For a added bonus, no more wet spots {you have to look for the positive in every situation}.

Everyone pretty much says the same thing, when he's ready to talk, he'll talk.  Just continue to be supportive.  Thank you.

User
Posted 03 Nov 2022 at 06:00

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
Men can have very different attitudes concerning sexual relations after radical treatment to the point that they sometimes switch off and don't wish to discuss. 

As a female, I don't know how he does it and ask myself sometimes, "is he really ok with it"?  Maybe I'm trying to get a man to open up, who doesn't need to open up.  I would love for him to speak with someone, but he would see it as being weak.  Thank you.

 

 

 

 

User
Posted 03 Nov 2022 at 06:09

I do have one question that I could never ask him.  March of 2023 will mark the third year after his prostatectomy.  I understand that all men are different, but without the aid of medication, shots or a pump, is this our new normal?

User
Posted 03 Nov 2022 at 09:54
I regained virtually full spontaneous erections at the 3 yr mark but had put a lot of re-hab in with the pump all that time. I still had nightly 5mg Tadalafil and used a cheap rubber cock ring to get him perfect. He was shorter but fatter due to the surgery within and the pump use.
User
Posted 03 Nov 2022 at 10:31

MP, there is an expression used on here ,"use it or lose it". 

Sometimes we men need a good kick up the backside.

Thanks Chris 

User
Posted 04 Nov 2022 at 14:08

One thing I have realised through this journey is that nothing prepares you. On one hand you are thankful and grateful for every new day, on the other hand you wonder whether the ED and the incontinence was a worthy price to pay. It is sadly a mixture of emotion, one thing I have also realised is that experiences are not often similar, so no 1-size fits all.

I am a normally fairly laid back, quite chilled with a positive disposition, however this condition has knocked me and I sometimes wonder whether I should have done that PSA test. I also wonder whether surgery to remove my prostate was the best option. It is difficult for men to open up at the best of times, even more difficult to talk about something that affects their (perceived) manhood. I never thought, I would in my 50s have an issue where I looked at my wife's behind and nothing happens down there. A lot of men go into surgery without appraising the adverse impact of their decision. I wonder if there has been a study on the adverse effect on the "quality of life" of men (and their spouses) following prostate cancer treatment. I certainly went in blind, was told nerve sparing was going to be bilateral, I foolishly thought it was an exact science, and that meant regaining full erection. 

User
Posted 04 Nov 2022 at 22:13

Might I ask how old your husband is? It does have a bearing on this discussion.

User
Posted 04 Nov 2022 at 23:59

" I wonder if there has been a study on the adverse effect on the "quality of life" of men (and their spouses) following prostate cancer treatment."

Yes, there is a standard QoL questionnaire which BAUS urologists are encouraged to use with RP patients. That's how they are able to publish the data on things like % of men with incontinence 12 months post-op. John's surgeon asked him to complete it pre-op snd then at each review appointment for about the first 5 years I think, or maybe longer. He then read it and talked to us about the responses- how the continence and ED was going, exercise & fitness and how J was feeling. He once told me that while he is going through the QoL questionnaire with the man, he always watches the face of the wife/ partner because many men minimise the impact and say things are okay but the wife's face sometimes tells a different story. Like most other BAUS surgeons, our urologist publishes that data annually.

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 05 Nov 2022 at 04:53

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

" I wonder if there has been a study on the adverse effect on the "quality of life" of men (and their spouses) following prostate cancer treatment."

Yes, there is a standard QoL questionnaire which BAUS urologists are encouraged to use with RP patients. That's how they are able to publish the data on things like % of men with incontinence 12 months post-op. John's surgeon asked him to complete it pre-op snd then at each review appointment for about the first 5 years I think, or maybe longer. He then read it and talked to us about the responses- how the continence and ED was going, exercise & fitness and how J was feeling. He once told me that while he is going through the QoL questionnaire with the man, he always watches the face of the wife/ partner because many men minimise the impact and say things are okay but the wife's face sometimes tells a different story. Like most other BAUS surgeons, our urologist publishes that data annually.

You are absolutely spot on with me under playing my responses  during the questionnaire and my dear wife always there to keep me honest. I don't know why we do this to ourselves.

User
Posted 09 Nov 2022 at 10:16

Yours is heart rending story. It occurs to me that picture you paint is not complete. Several questions occur to me: What was your intimate relationship like before this tragic episode?  Did you have sex just to please him? Did you indulge in penetrative sex (at present you are willing and he accepts the pleasure of oral sex)? Does he masturbate? Is he incontinent? With some help he can easily find a suitable treatment or method to overcome his ED. These and many other question have to be asked and answered before you can make some progress. I think, like me, most people here would have difficulty to give any advice. I think, if you husband is willing, you could go for couples counselling or sex therapy. There is help out there.

I had the surgery 11 years ago and I know how it seemed to my wife and I that it was end of life as we knew it. Following successful surgery we had to face incontinence and ED. I am still a little leaky and suffer from ED for any practical use. I use a vacuum pump to achieve erection. However, my wife and I decided to try everything  to reestablish our successful relationship for over 50 years at the time and now we continue to enjoy our life together.

My wife read your posting and your problem with vaginal dryness.She would like to say something that may help:

A great discovery for us was a particular type of vaginal moisturiser called YES VM. At my age, although I use Wellsprings Serenity Natural Progesterone Cream for Women (wellsprings-health.com), a plant-based hormone replacement cream. For penetrative sex I use amazing lubricating product which can be found by googling yesyesyes.org. I kid you not! It is organic, has no side effects and is better that KY jelly which is rather heavy. I am really allergic and reactive type and if I can tolerate it so will most people. Do have a look.

 Before our discovery of this product, because after prostatectomy his penis does not receive natural lubrication he had to use water-based lubricant like KY Jelly for our comfort. We found this quite unsatisfactory because either he ended up using too much (for my comfort) which he found too slippery to achieve an orgasm or too little which helped him but not too comfortable for me. But the introduction of YES VM solved the problem because I could control the amount of lubricant I insert (YES lubricant comes in a one time use tube) and he uses none. And by trial and error we have been able to control the level of lubricant to suit both of us, such that it is comfortable for me but not too slippery for him; win win!  Another benefit of using this lubricant is that he really likes the feel of my vagina and he says it feels like old times!

We hope you can find some help.

 

 'Physics is like sex: sure, it may give some practical results, but that’s not why we do it.'                    Richard Feynman (1918-1988) Nobel Prize laureate

 

 

User
Posted 16 Nov 2022 at 13:40

Well said, I have exactly the same thoughts on this . Was it all really necessary ☹️

User
Posted 20 Nov 2022 at 19:34

Hi just after three years ED nurse got me in to try Alprostadil injection. So far so good and an hour of erection! Pump was in use prior to injection daily for keeping penis healthy also for penetration. For future will work erections with pump only sex and occasional injection for sex. I can report I had no side effects of injection to date.

We also bought a strap on penis for me and weirdly almost feel the silicon imposter is myself.

It might be worth bringing injection into conversation via ED nurse.

Hopefully he will come round.

Brgds

 

User
Posted 07 Mar 2023 at 21:15

I totally agree.

User
Posted 10 Mar 2023 at 13:52

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

I do have one question that I could never ask him.  March of 2023 will mark the third year after his prostatectomy.  I understand that all men are different, but without the aid of medication, shots or a pump, is this our new normal?

I also had my 3rd anniversary just a couple of weeks ago. I have found that my recovery is still ongoing. I had been told "use it or lose it" and that if it wasn't better by 24 months it was over. However my erectile function improved a LOT during year 3 and I believe it is still getting better at the beginning of year 4. 

What has helped me is to continue with whatever solo and partnered sexual activity is possible, and enjoy that to the max. I am (slowly) learning not to demand to have it back exactly the way it was, but to adapt to my and our "new normal" as you put it. Glad you are still looking for more improvement, I believe there is a good chance it will.

User
Posted 10 Mar 2023 at 17:12

Anyone know how I can get Invicorp injections? I have tried Caverject, it does not seem to work.

User
Posted 10 Mar 2023 at 19:11

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

Anyone know how I can get Invicorp injections? I have tried Caverject, it does not seem to work.

Hi I managed to get it through my doctor on prescription. Five injections in pack. And five pack once a month. More successful than Caverjet and way less hassle to administer. 

Edited by member 10 Mar 2023 at 19:17  | Reason: More info

User
Posted 10 Mar 2023 at 19:50

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

Anyone know how I can get Invicorp injections? I have tried Caverject, it does not seem to work.

Who provides your caverject prescription - the GP or an ED nurse? Just tell whoever it is that caverject was unsuccessful and you want to try invicorp instead. In our case, John sees the ED nurse, she agrees the change, then she writes to the GP to tell him what to prescribe. John picks up the prescription from the GP and then all repeat prescription requests are managed through the GP practice.

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

User
Posted 13 Mar 2023 at 14:28

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

Anyone know how I can get Invicorp injections? I have tried Caverject, it does not seem to work.

Who provides your caverject prescription - the GP or an ED nurse? Just tell whoever it is that caverject was unsuccessful and you want to try invicorp instead. In our case, John sees the ED nurse, she agrees the change, then she writes to the GP to tell him what to prescribe. John picks up the prescription from the GP and then all repeat prescription requests are managed through the GP practice.

The initial dose was prescribed for me on one of my visit to the Andrologist as UCLH. However, 4mths later, my GP surgery still does not have the prescription, thankfully Caverject did not work  when I tried it... Hopefully my next appointment, I will ask him to prescribe Invicorp.

 
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