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Posted 14 Feb 2019 at 22:23
Thanks Lynn,

I'm sorry to hear about your own family, it is a small thing to be grateful for that I don't feel that N was treated poorly at the diagnosis stage and that we actually had a very efficient experience of the initial stages. It must be awful to have to fight for a diagnosis, Mr's and Dr's can be very intimidating. I hate that I feel like this but I don't seem to be able to "man up".

I think the failure in communication started when we didn't have a Cancer nurse Specialist at the diagnosis appointment. An assumption has been made since then that we have been presented with all the information from scans and tests for the last 2 years and actually I think we have had very little info at each appointment, probably because I wasn't asking questions that would be relevant.

I do feel like some egos are bigger than others and that we have come up against them regarding N's palliative treatment and what their definition of palliative is.

What I would hate the most is feeling like I didn't do enough when N couldn't ask for himself. Ever present in my mind is his DNR and if I'll have to act on it at home or elsewhere, I don't think the bods in charge appreciate the overwhelming stress the situation can bring, unless perhaps they have been there themselves.

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Posted 14 Feb 2019 at 22:40

I have been reading your story from afar, every post, every day. My heart truly goes out to you for the sometimes appalling manner in which you have both been treated and breaks with each new symptom, treatment or pain.

Please know that there is an army of silent sympathisers out there wishing you well, sending you strength and offering love for a fellow brother and his loved ones.

 

Bazza xxxx

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Posted 14 Feb 2019 at 23:15
Thanks Bazza, I'm glad to have your support, silent or voiced. You have mine too.xx

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Posted 15 Feb 2019 at 00:04

I have read your story and think you and your whole family are amazing. It is the little things that matter most like your family time and KFC. A touch of normality in the middle of all that is going on. I wish you all well. My oh has always wanted to just trust his consultant and accept each treatment as it becomes necessary without asking too many questions. I ask some to clarify things but there are many things I do not know. Much has changed over the last year but my oh stays positive and we try to do everything we can. I feel so sad for you and what you have gone through. I suppose a part of me is scared of not being as strong as you have been if things don't go as hoped for us. You are an inspiration and I hope that if there are more treatment options for your husband that may help, that it can be sorted out soon. He is a very brave man and has a lovely family.

 

 

 

 

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Posted 15 Feb 2019 at 01:56

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member

What I would hate the most is feeling like I didn't do enough when N couldn't ask for himself. Ever present in my mind is his DNR and if I'll have to act on it at home or elsewhere, I don't think the bods in charge appreciate the overwhelming stress the situation can bring, unless perhaps they have been there themselves.

 

I don't think they have any idea how stressful it is to constantly be thinking for someone else, and making such critical decisions.  Not sure it helps, but you strike me as someone who is a very clear thinking, organised, compassionate person who is just trying to make life the best it possibly can be for N.  You've done an incredible job so far.

Breakfast with the kids sounds good.  And videos of their adventures will hopefully bring a smile to both your faces.  Hoping that today is indeed a quiet one.

We are having a quiet day which I didn't expect.  Were due to go to have a scan this morning, after seeing the pain specialist this week in the middle of a full blown pain meltdown.  Had to cancel the scan, as there was no way I could get H into the car for the 5 minute trip to the hospital.  I suspect the next step is back into hospital, but we'll see ...

Sending the usual hugs, etc.  I'm about to go and eat ice cream (thankfully my latest tests showed my cholesterol hasn't increased too much).

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Posted 15 Feb 2019 at 06:26

Thanks Gilly,

Isn't it horrible when stuff starts to change? As you've probably noticed, I cope best when I can understand why something has changed. It doesn't alter the thing but makes it less frightening to me. N relies on me to find out the why's and relay it back to him when it's necessary. He's been very much an ostrich on occasion! This is not always a very helpful approach.

N generally has a reasonably optimistic view and we both felt secure with the onco. But nagging doubt as to whether the choices are the right ones go hand in hand with this disease. Feeling like I do now, I wish I had asked more questions and not been so afraid of making me and N upset at the meetings. We're upset anyway. 

I hope things go as planned for you, at this time when things get difficult I think a good hospice/palliative support team makes a huge difference. They get that N being comfortable is the top priority and that sometimes this means no treatment but other times intervention is needed. 

Teacups,

Thanks, and I'm sorry to hear the pain is bad. N was going to have his Fentanyl patch doubled from the 12mcg to the 25mcg yesterday as he is taking the oxycodone every 6 hours. His pain is not under control and that in itself is exhausting. N's pain continues to primarily come from the catheter area, often in waves but he's a bit "I'll  save the instillagel until later" when he could actually just have it all the time!

It's so hard to get the level right, if he's pain free he's often asleep or spaced out. Hopefully the increased patch may improve this.

Daughter and I managed to get up at 5am to send her off skiing, I now don't know what to do with myself, it's too late to go back to bed but I'm too tired to make use of the hour before I go up to the hospital....

I am now wine, chocolate, junk food free, it's just lost its appeal. I'm left with coffee...Lots of lovely  coffee but not after 2pm as I can't get to sleep๐Ÿ˜„

 

 

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Posted 15 Feb 2019 at 20:46
From today's doctors rounds:

Nephrostomies to stay in for a couple of weeks so N can go to the hospice for a rest. They are still clamped and the stents are functioning. Today's and tomorrow's blood tests will show any reduced kidney function.

N is tired, really tired and looking pretty awful again. I don't know whether this is the disease or the environment or a bit of both. His Enzo clinic is Monday so N is hoping the hospice don't have a bed until Tuesday so he can at least try to get to the clinic once to see if he is fit enough for it. One can hope.

Lots of questions for the consultant in the morning. We met the last of the 5 strong team today, he was pleasant enough and he is back again in the morning.

N now unable to empty his bowels, had a phosphate enema, I expected there to be more than there was. So he has gone from uncontrollable emptying to constipation, he's not happy. Possibly side effects from the radiotherapy? Lots of mucus been produced since last weeks zap. I'm hoping the palliative team will help with this as it makes N so uncomfortable in his nether regions.

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Posted 15 Feb 2019 at 22:06

Kentish

I can't really offer you any practical advice but my thoughts are with you both. Try to get some me time. I looked at your profile today, I didn't realize how young you both are.

Thanks Chris

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Posted 16 Feb 2019 at 15:09

Thanks for the support Chris. I started off in the "younger men" section and have migrated over the course of 2 years to here. N is by no means the youngest on here and the age gap between us (16 years) makes the family dynamic a bit different in that he has a 15 and 17 year old and he's 56. He's on a urology surgical ward at the moment and the turn over of prostecomy patients is high, and the average age of the last 2 weeks has been late 50's to 60's, however most of their children have been in their late 20's to 30's with heir own children. It's been quite hard emotionally to watch knowing we aren't going to have that. These things don't really cross your mind but when they do it makes us so sad.

On a more cheerful note (sorry that was a bit depressing )

Bed available at the hospice and held (unless there is an emergency admittance)for Monday afternoon. Urology agreed N should have his catheter changed while he is an inpatient in case there are any issues, this will probably be tomorrow. Consultant this morning also agreed that keeping him so he can go to the clinic was in N's best interests as it will be less stress on N than being transported back and forth.

N's bowels seem to be back in operation, yay and he is more comfortable. I have popped home to put some washing on (I can barely contain my excitement. ..)and then I am going back with his wheelchair so he can have a practice at sitting up in it.

Both kids have sent pictures of beautiful mountains (one's in Austria,  the other's in France) and are already having a great time. The house is as tidy as I left it ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚. No one to blame but me for any mess this week.xx

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Posted 17 Feb 2019 at 19:55
A bit of a mixed bag today. Looking promising this morning and registrar came to change the catheter, which he found really easy because he only put a 12 in......I asked if he thought the clots would be able to pass, yes he said and it will be more comfortable than the 16.

Blocked within 20 mins and unable to be flushed.

Poor N, ward nurse took it out and tried to replace with a 16 but couldn't get it past his prostate so ended up getting a 20 in. Unbelievable, it took the best part of 2 hours to sort this out, N in retention and pain, awful time trying to get the catheter in. I am so angry at the registrar, how could he think this was in N's best interest?

Consequence is N having oxycodone every 2 hours to keep on top of the pain since.

N unsure about leaving tomorrow as he's frightened it will block again and they can't use the large saline syringe flush at the hospice. Ffs, one step forward eh?

Had to get in the wheelchair even though he didn't want to after all the trauma, his air mattress needed replacing and there wasn't room on the ward to pat slide him, he managed the few minutes it took for them to change the beds over and has slept on and off since. Eyes rolling with the oxycodone.

Not the trouble free day we wanted but on the other hand, if we hadn't been here for the catheter change and they couldn't get it in at home or the hospice it could have been much worse. Got to look for a plus side otherwise I'm never going to get over not insisting the registrar put a 16 back in. Kicking myself.

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Posted 17 Feb 2019 at 20:43
Donโ€™t kick yourself... we put our trust in the medics and trust they know what they are doing. Sometimes though if makes us wonder. I feel your frustration.

Hope tomorrow is a better day

Take care

Bri x

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Posted 18 Feb 2019 at 09:25

Hope today has been better than the mixed bag of yesterday.  I know how hard it is not to kick yourself, but how are we supposed to be able to second guess every decision in real time while at the end of our tether.  Hope N is in less pain now, and that clinic/transfer to hospice went OK.

As expected, we are back in hospital.  And now have a reason for the increased pain - more fractures, dammit.  Add a UTI, one quite confused husband and you get the picture.  Grrr.

 

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Posted 18 Feb 2019 at 14:37

Oh dear teacups, that's not good. I hope they have been able to get on top of the uti and the pain from the fractures. It's so hard to watch N in pain and not be able to help.

As usual, nothing has gone to plan....to much blood in catheter to be discharged and now the sodium loss has reared it's ugly head again. Just over the weekend it has dropped from within normal range to 114. On a sodium drip and blood tests been done to check the reason for loss.

Loads of clots in the catheter and bypassing galore....consultant this morning discussed doing the change to go home/hospice under local anaesthetic and sedation.

Didn't make it to oncology clinic, rescheduled for next week...N in too much groin pain to get out of bed.

Looking for positives: if catheter had gone well then bloods would not have been done this morning and sodium loss would have brought us back to a&e.  Gotta look for the upside๐Ÿ˜ฉ

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Posted 19 Feb 2019 at 18:23
N's cancer symptoms are like a seesaw, sometimes violently swinging up and down, other times more gently.

1ltr of fluid given yesterday has brought hb down from 84 to 72, if it improves tomorrow they won't transfuse, just let it climb by itself.

Sodium only improved by 1 point so endocrine team have suggested to go back onto the demeclocycline whilst as an inpatient.

Apparently the kidney failure masked the SIADH, because they were struggling N was not excreting the sodium like before, now the kidneys are working well (yay) the SIADH is a problem.

Fluids temporarily restricted to 1.5 ltr per day to help with improving the sodium, N not happy as has been drinking whatever, whenever he likes which has been lovely. Plus not great for clots etc and keeping the bladder and kidneys healthy.

Haematuria appears to have stopped, pain management have increased break through pain relief to 10mg oxycodone every 4 hours which seems to be working.

Hospice put back on hold until he's stable, not going to be this week ๐Ÿ˜•

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Posted 20 Feb 2019 at 16:35

Hi Kentish

I'm playing catch up as i have been busy with the new baby and general work etc. What an awful catalogue to read, my thoughts are that medics should read this horror story to get the picture of how lack of communication can affect families so badly. I'm afraid I have always been the mouthpiece and almost never let them get away without telling us the full story and seeing the pictures. John would never ask, I do. We have generally been lucky with our consultant and registrars though as they have been keen to respond to us. I think they tend not to offer too much, and only tell us if we ask. We didn't know that John had spread to his neck until our consultant mentioned it in passing, I didn't think to ask as I had no reason at the time. It was a shock.

Poor N is having the most awful time, everything is linked so it's no wonder that one treatment affects something else every time. John has suffered from terrible constipation/runs since they radiated his prostate when he was in retention, had a supra pubic catheter (he still has it) as his tumour was so large it was blocking the ureters as well as the urethra. That has led to ongoing and very painful bladder spasms. But at least he isn't in kidney failure anymore.

I have enormous respect for you and the children and hw you are all handling this awful situation. To say it's not easy is to minimise it to the nth degree. I'm glad they have been able to go skiing, they need a break and some normality in their young lives. 

As for the consultant who said such awful things to you both, there are no words for people like that. I applaud honesty but to take away hope is appalling. Shame on him. The suffering your family is undergoing is so terrible I wish we could help, I really do.

I can only send my heartfelt love to you all 

 

Love Devonmaid xxxx

 

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Posted 20 Feb 2019 at 18:36
๐Ÿ˜ฑ I missed the new baby?????
"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

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Posted 20 Feb 2019 at 20:18

Lynn, you're so funny, and down to earth...my neighbours have a little one, 4 months old, there's nothing like a smile and coo from him to brighten up the day.

Thanks Devonmaid,  

I was beginning to think they might go with the spc , but this morning consultant said they would probably do a cystoscopy to guide a wire in and then put the catheter in over that, to cause the least amount of trauma possible. I like that plan and so does N.

Endocrine team have said to restart the demeclocycline,  so that should improve his sodium quickly but will be monitored while he is an inpatient. We like that plan but are understandably nervous about the side effects. Hopefully his kidneys will copemail now he has the stents.

Nephrostomies are booked to be removed on Monday as an inpatient by Interventional Radiography so they can be sure they don't dislodge the stents. Also a good plan.

N is fed up with the new issues but resigned to staying in. 

I have to say I'm feeing a bit miserable,  it's a relief to come home to an empty house to have a good cry, not having to put a brave face on for the kids. It was my birthday on Monday and N was pretty poorly from the catheter trauma, he wished me happy birthday and the rest of the day was spent trying to get his pain under better control. It's not that we really "do" birthdays, it was just such a sad day. Every day feels really sad at the moment, there are very few "up" moments for N and it's awful and painful to watch. I'm very sad.

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Posted 20 Feb 2019 at 20:48

Thinking of you Kentish and sending you lots of love. x

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Posted 20 Feb 2019 at 20:49
Oh Kentish,

My heart breaks for you, I have followed your story with great sadness, and a desperate dread that I don't find myself in your situation, I would not be able to cope as you do, and I admire you so much.

Please know that so many on this site hold you and your family in our thoughts and prayers. I don't know what else to say.

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Posted 20 Feb 2019 at 21:36
Thanks.xx
 
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