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Posted 10 Feb 2019 at 17:20

No indication of spinal cord compression but no improvement in bowel continence today. N has been prescribed methylcellulose to bulk up the faeces and see if it improves continence. Some output from urinary catheter so the nephrostomies were clamped shut to see how the stents got on. Good output but then N had a temperature so they opened nephrostomies again and gave him paracetamol pending a discussion on whether they will try again tomorrow and possibly give him antibiotics just in case.
Palliative care nurse came to chat and will relay my concerns over bowels to rest of N's teams. N concerned that he can't always feel himself going.
On to tomorrow.xx

Edited by member 10 Feb 2019 at 17:21  | Reason: Not specified

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Posted 10 Feb 2019 at 17:46
Thinking of you each day x
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Posted 10 Feb 2019 at 18:27

Thinking of you too Chris. You don't need me to tell you to stay strong, you are already doing that, every day. You are awesome in your determination. I just want to say N was alright during chemo and HT didn't bother him as much as he thought it would, when his "drive" faded away he didn't really think about it and would just sometimes ask if I was happy. I couldn't care less about the sex if I'm honest and without the drive neither did he, his brain just stopped desiring sex.

Big hugs.xx

 

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Posted 11 Feb 2019 at 06:49

Congratulations to your son for being offered the Uni place, and for also having the full time job/potential apprenticeship as an option (which if he loves it may be a better choice).  So good to have choice as to what to do, and to at least feel that something is settled there.  And must be good for him to be able to tell N this too. 

I hope the stents do work for N.  And also that you can work out what is happening with the bowel incontinence.  Sadly we have lived with that for a year or so now - causes, who knows, but possibly the nerve stuff, and maybe the radiotherapy. 

We also never had precise staging information.  In the early days I wasn't as aware of the questions we should be asking, and very often we differ in our approach to how many questions need to be asked.  But I think I am like you and prefer information to work with and plan around.

Hope today is a better day.  And as Chris says I too am thinking of you every day.  (And PS Chris if you are reading this I think you are amazingly strong too, and I would echo Kentishs comments about the HT effects.  I'd actually trade almost anything if it meant less pain and more mobility for H).

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Posted 11 Feb 2019 at 09:58
Thanks Teacups,

N in relatively good spirits this morning. Consultant going to flush nephrostomies and urinary catheter and then try clamping again accompanied by antibiotics.

You're right about the early questions, even with the tool kit most appointments were more about N 's planned treatment than the actual situation. I feel this really wasn't helped by the lack of a specialist nurse in the early months (because they lost his paperwork). The diagnosis was, "this is very serious it has spread to the bones" I see now that the consultant gave us just the very basics as he had probably gauged our shock and horror at N being so ill without knowing it.

Hindsight is a beautiful thing and I hope our story helps others in the same situation be more proactive/prepared to ask questions so they can better prepare if that's how they like to do things.

N hadn't had any radiotherapy until last week so we can rule that out as a cause of incontinence. Maybe medications, nerve damage, a large mass.

Hopefully they can find a reason and if we are really lucky they'll find something to improve it. Xx

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Posted 13 Feb 2019 at 10:27
Yesterday was a pretty boring day, just the kind we like 😄 no temperatures, no catheter blockages, nothing medical of any note.

The kids brought in KFC for dinner and N munched his way through 3 pieces! He is on a ward of 4 but there was a little period last night where there was only him and one other left on the ward, it gave us and the kids room to spread and we had a good giggle. A lovely couple of hours.

Yesterday's gloomy moment was when the consultant came on the rounds, he is the chap who N was under originally. He talked about the possibility of the nephrostomies staying or perhaps going to the hospice for a couple of weeks and then seeing if they could try again with clamping them off. Nothing new there. But his response to the oncologist having booked a bone scan and arranged the radiotherapy and offered enzalutimide was "well that's very optimistic of him, I don't think you should have any more treatment, you are very poorly and perhaps should be just getting ready to go back to the hospice." OMFG, the man has absolutely no bedside manner at all. N is aware that he may not be well enough to start Enzo, he knows he may not manage without the nephrostomies, however, having a glimmer of hope, no matter how small, is what encourages him to try. Why would you take that away?!! Consultant seemed to be oblivious to how he was making N feel, he also said "oncologists like to order these scans every 3 months and they often treat beyond when is realistic" how unprofessional. I pointed out N has not had a comprehensive staging/spread review since summer last year but he said he didn't think it was necessary as it won't change treatment. Aaaarrrrrrgggghhhh, I want to get off the merry-go-round.

It took me all morning to soothe N back into a more positive state of mind, he was ready to cancel today's bone scan and just leave the nephrostomies and go back to the hospice and call it a day. It was awful.

Please excuse the moan, I just needed to vent.

This morning they are going to try clamping the tubes and he is going for a scan. And we will see what happens next.xx

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Posted 13 Feb 2019 at 11:34

What a lovely description of  the family time you had.  Store that in your memory boxes.  Don't quite know what to say about the subsequent consultant visit!!  I do think about you each day and i follow your posts even though I don't post a great deal.  Take care.  You're doing brilliantly.   You really are xx

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Posted 13 Feb 2019 at 11:47

After all the lovely normal things you did as a family and no medical interventions how disappointing to get a doctor with such a poor bedside manner and no emotional intelligence.

You are so right that everyone needs a glimmer of hope amongst the crap.

Had he even considered that the radiotherapy and enzo might make N a bit more comfortable at the very least?

Ian

 

Ido4

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Posted 13 Feb 2019 at 12:39
I’m not a confrontational person at all. In fact I find it very difficult, but I think I’d have followed said doctor and had a word with him outside. Yes , the truth needs to be known , but there are nicer ways of delivering that. I love the KFC bit and that you managed to have some smiles. Stay strong and sending love x
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Posted 13 Feb 2019 at 14:57
Cheers guys,

It was back to nice consultant this morning, the one who isn't entirely human but tries to be😄

Today's f**k up:

Despite me going on and on and on about the scan, noone had booked a porter to take N on his bed for the injection, not even handed over to today's nurse even though N mentioned it during rounds this morning. I was asked to take him on a chair, poor N, I think the fear of being off the ward, out of the bed and having to go to a different floor was all too much. He tried, we got to the reception of nunclear medicine where he promptly said I can't do this I'm in too much pain and I'm going to faint.

The lovely scanning lady helped me wheel him back to the ward and get back in bed. Ffs, one floor of the hospital away, truly p****d off.

The lovely lady went away and rescheduled for tomorrow on the bed, booked porters and came and soothed N's frazzled nerves.

N is now in a oxycodone induced stupor and they still haven't clamped the nephrostomies.

Palliative nurse has just been round to ask if we were aware that N had a scan in December and had anyone talked us through the results!!!!

No...I have no recollection of that happening during the week he was being prepared for the hospice. Nurse felt that perhaps that would give us a better picture of the cancer but could not go into detail because she is not a doctor. Hospice doctor who works in the hospital will come tomorrow to go through this with us. I hate waiting, clearly it's just a bit more s**t than we thought and maybe it's too s**t to carry on with trying the Enzo etc. No wonder consultants struggle to understand where we are coming from if they think we know about this scan!!!

N's hb is back below 80 this afternoon so probably having another transfusion. However, gfr is over 90. Got to find something to be pleased about.😭

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Posted 13 Feb 2019 at 17:15

You are having to go through so much. I really feel for you!

Thinking of you all. 

Deb

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Posted 13 Feb 2019 at 19:52
Sending wishes x
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Posted 13 Feb 2019 at 23:43

Dear Kentish,

I haven’t had chance to visit here until now.

What a roller coaster ride. KFC moments and giggles. Souless consultants and booking blunders. 

You are truly amazing and being a fantastic wife and mom/mum. (I’m a yam yam so we say mom).

I think of you often and send my love for tomorrow.

Vicky xx 

Broken crayons still colour 

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Posted 14 Feb 2019 at 05:30

Oh dear, Kentish.  I sometimes wonder how consultants would like a close member of their family treated.  Our health systems would be so much better if communication and admin was improved.  Just reading a forum such as this would provide them with some good educational case studies.

I'm glad to hear the kids and KFC story, and that N felt up to eating 3 pieces.  But getting him through the stuff ups, baulking at the scan and the pain must have been hard.  And pleased to see that the eGFR is good - yes, take whatever positives you can.

Thinking of you today.

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Posted 14 Feb 2019 at 10:18
Kentish

I too send my best wishes and hopes that things improve.

Teacups

The problem is that like most Civil Service organisations, the NHS is a silo organisation par excellence. In a lot of cases, they only view their own little area of interest and have little concern about the process that flows across areas and the overall performance. This is why there are so many disjointed systems and processes. The GP / hospital interface is absolutely the worst example of this.

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Posted 14 Feb 2019 at 11:30
Thank you everyone,

What's a yam yam?!!

My son is doing an "ology", his opinion of my rant about inhuman consultant was "that's what's called displaced anger mum" he's probably not wrong.

I can't be angry with N, he didn't do anything to cause his cancer and he's done his absolute best to survive it this long, so this leaves me with being angry because it's not b****y fair but with nothing to aim it at. So I go for the easiest target.

So we have met most of the urology consultants now and are fairly familiar with how each one interacts with us. This morning's was the consultant who talked me through making the choice to go to the hospice at new year. We discussed our ignorance at the disease progression and that actually it has been known by urology/oncology for some time that the disease is pressing on the bowel and is in the lymph glands, I told him how I felt everyone thinks we know this and perhaps that's why I feel that my questions are met with resistance or confusion.

I confess it was not pretty as I sobbed my way through this and the gaggle of staff watching looked horrified. Not sure if it was because of our lack of information or my emotional breakdown!

The consultant reassured me that regardless of what is shown on the scans, the decisions we have made so far were unlikely to have been any different.

The Palliative care nurse and doctor will be coming later anyway to discuss it in more detail and give us a clearer picture of why N's symptoms are what they are.

I hope that what was taken away was to never assume that the patient or their partner are totally informed and to recognize when they are asking questions that perhaps they need a more comprehensive conversation to check everyone's on the same page.

Perhaps with some editing of personal information, our story should be sent as an open letter to the urology /oncology /gp to look at how we all communicate with one another.

Like many situations, it's easier to find the negatives. N's medical care from the nurses/csw's /auxiliaries has been fabulous. They look after him with so much kindness and dignity. I wouldn't be able to go home at night if they didn't.

Feels like a long day already....

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Posted 14 Feb 2019 at 11:32
Ooo, and the nephrostomies are clamped....fingers crossed.
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Posted 14 Feb 2019 at 13:16

Originally Posted by: Online Community Member
I hope that what was taken away was to never assume that the patient or their partner are totally informed and to recognize when they are asking questions that perhaps they need a more comprehensive conversation to check everyone's on the same page.

 

You would think this would be a basic humanity, wouldn't you. 

 

So angry and frustrated for you 🤬

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

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Posted 14 Feb 2019 at 20:25
Lynn,

One would like to hope so.

One of the juniors came to find me to say that the consultant wanted to know if I wanted to look at the scans and the report...I replied that it would be pointless without someone to explain them to me. And I have no context or history to put them in. And I wouldn't know what the implications for future decisions are. I can't help but cry when they talk to me, I try hard not to but the tears just keep coming. I explained that what I would like is a potted history of the last few months really and how that relates to what is happening now and why there are differing opinions from oncology/urology, and how that impacts on our decision to go to the hospice and whether he is really well enough to think about coming home again. All said through tears and then the junior cried and gave me a hug, oh dear, she's going to have to toughen up a bit, bless her! I said that I feel like a mug, that they must think we are stupid for not having asked the "right" questions in order to be informed, this is acute this evening as I think about the last few months and how desperate my posts read regarding me trying to get somebody to look after N as a whole, rather than pieces of him.

I apologised for my meltdown from the morning (I can't seem to help but say sorry, even when I don't need to) and Junior said the consultant and they were shocked when they realised how little we had been told about N's results over the last few months and what do I need from them now.

So I think someone might come and talk to us but if they don't, I will talk to the hospice consultant when we get there.

Making the most of it: kids joined us for breakfast, they are both off skiing for the week tomorrow, going to WhatsApp photos and videos for us to watch.

N's nephrostomies were still clamped when I left this evening and he managed to lay on the bed for the bone scan.

Tomorrow, should be a quiet day. One can hope.

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Posted 14 Feb 2019 at 20:48
If I could wish one thing for you, it is that you stop feeling that you need to apologise. None of this is your fault - you are not stupid or naive and my (personal) view is that you have been treated discourteously by senior professionals in the past. There are amazing people working in the health sector but there are also sometimes ridiculously huge egos who cannot bear to be challenged - I think N was very unlucky and seems to have had a couple of those involved in his care.

My cousin's husband died last year at the age of 52. He had had surgery some years before and the urologist told him that he did not need to be monitored for the future because he was now cured. Even when he showed signs of recurrence, the surgeon refused to see him, at one point writing a stinking letter to the GP about the GP daring to question his superiority and expertise by suggesting that the blood test results were a concern. Sadly by the time a second opinion was sought, Dave was terminally ill and he died soon after. His wife was not stupid - in fact she is an experienced district nurse - but both she and the GP were outfaced by a big ego and a flexing of status. It is now the subject of an investigation but that does not bring a lovely man back or provide any comfort for my too-young-to-be-a-widow cousin.

"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." Soren Kierkegaard

 
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